Jack Bauer Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I don't think either side really wants to reach an accord on this. And I think that's been the case for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMpackalum Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Old_SD_Dude said: Not really. We’re at what economists typically regard as full employment. Though improving, labor force participation still isn't back up to the levels in 2000. Plenty of people are moving away from my community to others looking for jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawlorfaithful Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, NMpackalum said: Though improving, labor force participation still isn't back up to the levels in 2000. Plenty of people are moving away from my community to others looking for jobs. Don’t you think that can be explained by demographics and the giant baby boomer generation being 20 years older? We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackrabbit Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 3 hours ago, renoskier said: No it won't. But it will stunt growth and limit innovation. You know, many immigrants are very entrepreneurial and start new businesses. Pretty standard talking points i would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMpackalum Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 2 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said: Don’t you think that can be explained by demographics and the giant baby boomer generation being 20 years older? According to Bureau of labor statistics, the labor force will still grow for another 3-4 years before the retiring boomer generation will overcome that growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renoskier Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Jackrabbit said: Pretty standard talking points i would say. Yes.......for a pragmatic Republican businessman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mano Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/13/second-judge-rules-against-trump-administration-on-ending-daca.html Quote For the second time in as many months, a federal judge has barred the Trump administration from ending the Obama-era DACA program next month. U.S. District Judge Nicholas Garaufis in New York ruled Tuesday that Attorney General Jeff Sessions had "erred in concluding that DACA is unconstitutional" and granted a preliminary injunction sought by state attorneys general and immigrants who had sued the administration. The Justice Department had no immediate comment on Garaufis' ruling. Last month, U.S. District Judge William Alsup in San Francisco ruled that DACA must remain in place while litigation surrounding the program is ongoing. The U.S. Supreme Court is currently considering whether to take up the Trump administration's appeal of that ruling. I'm a desperate man Send lawyers, guns, and money The shit has hit the fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jackrabbit Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 hours ago, renoskier said: Yes.......for a pragmatic Republican businessman. You brought up some points no one can prove. If these migrants are industrious and entrepreneurial, shouldnt central america be a rich place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 6 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said: Don’t you think that can be explained by demographics and the giant baby boomer generation being 20 years older? No I don’t. Lots of 50 plus year olds are being pushed out of the workforce and have just stopped looking. They don’t show up in unemployment rates. The number to look at is labor participation rates and those are still troubling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_SD_Dude Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 7 hours ago, NMpackalum said: Though improving, labor force participation still isn't back up to the levels in 2000. Plenty of people are moving away from my community to others looking for jobs. @#1Stunner will be pleased. Thay Haif Said: Quhat Say Thay? Lat Thame Say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoState99755 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 11 hours ago, renoskier said: What I don't understand is the desire to reduce overall immigration. Sure, if you'd like to redefine and limit "chain migration" that's okay but we are essentially at zero unemployment and our national birth rate is well below replacement rate. So why do we want to decrease overall immigration? ^^^^ THIS ^^^^ Well said!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoState99755 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 10 hours ago, Old_SD_Dude said: dp ¿Double Penetration? I'm not sure how this is on topic??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoState99755 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 10 hours ago, Jackrabbit said: Anything that limits new people coming here will help keep wages up. What does it do to efficiency? How do we reach Trumps 3% GDP w/out a large enough wrk force? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoState99755 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 10 hours ago, Jackrabbit said: And surpluses in others. Time for those ppl to move. Market forces in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoState99755 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 7 hours ago, NMpackalum said: Though improving, labor force participation still isn't back up to the levels in 2000. Plenty of people are moving away from my community to others looking for jobs. Mkt forces in action. Ppl are moving to where the jobs are. Isn't that a good thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackrabbit Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 6 hours ago, GoState99755 said: What does it do to efficiency? How do we reach Trumps 3% GDP w/out a large enough wrk force? Stop paying the able bodied to sit on their asses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawlorfaithful Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/14/immigration-deal-senate-409201 A bipartisan Senate group has clinched a deal on immigration, though it faces an uncertain future as GOP opposition builds against any plan that deviates from President Donald Trump's proposal. The text of the agreement is expected to be unveiled later Wednesday, multiple senators said as they left a bipartisan meeting aimed at getting a consensus agreement to the floor. The accord would provide $25 billion for border security and a wall, a path to citizenship for 1.8 million young immigrants and restrictions on those immigrants' parents becoming citizens, according to Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.)... ...Senate GOP leaders have backed Trump's framework that would include steep cuts to legal immigration. If all Democrats support the compromise — hardly a guarantee — at least 11 Republicans will also need to back it to reach the Senate's 60 vote threshold. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) supports Trump, and whether he whips against the bipartisan bill will determine its fate. "They don’t address two of the pillars that the president said he needed," said Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn (R-Texas) of the deal. He said he didn't know if the narrower proposal could pass the Senate. The president himself urged senators to defeat anything that falls short of his bill’s four pillars: border wall money, a path to citizenship for 1.8 million young immigrants, cuts to family-based immigration and elimination of the diversity lottery. Sounds like the same proposal that prompted shitholegate (god, doesn’t that seem like 5 years ago). We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #1Stunner Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 14 hours ago, Old_SD_Dude said: @#1Stunner will be pleased. I'm thrilled if people raise their standard of living. Probably why I usually vote Democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncomare Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 On 2/13/2018 at 11:22 AM, renoskier said: What I don't understand is the desire to reduce overall immigration. Sure, if you'd like to redefine and limit "chain migration" that's okay but we are essentially at zero unemployment and our national birth rate is well below replacement rate. So why do we want to decrease overall immigration? But taking in other third world countries uneducated peasants is not the way to fix the problem either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...