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(A) If El Donald is so concerned about "Due Process" why did he force Rob Porter out?

(B) The Trump Administration had +13-months to perform extreme vetting on Mr Porter.  How long does El Donald need to perform their "Due Process?"

 

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Due Process

 

Brought to you by king of the birther movement, LOCK HER UP and the Central Park 5

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On 2/11/2018 at 12:43 PM, mysfit said:

Due Process

 

Brought to you by king of the birther movement, LOCK HER UP and the Central Park 5

There was no due process for Hillary. The fix was in from day one. She blatantly mishandled classified info and walked. She should have been locked up.

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38 minutes ago, sean327 said:

There was no due process for Hillary. The fix was in from day one. She blatantly mishandled classified info and walked. She should have been locked up.

Damn all those republicans at the FBI.

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55 minutes ago, sean327 said:

There was no due process for Hillary. The fix was in from day one. She blatantly mishandled classified info and walked. She should have been locked up.

 

She did no worse than the current administration at handling classified info.  How many ppl are in the West Wing w/out security clearances?

 

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1 hour ago, GoState99755 said:

 

She did no worse than the current administration at handling classified info.  How many ppl are in the West Wing w/out security clearances?

 

LOL! What? She had a private, unsecure server with over 2000 classified emails on it. She violated State Department rules knowingly. Here's a reminder of what she actually did since you obviously don't know or don't care. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/07/06/fact-check-clinton-emails/86735856/

When Rex Tillerson has a private server in his basement handling classified State Department docs then you can say she did no worse. 

 

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The damage a political prosecution like the one going on now to individuals with only tangential involvement is what they are referring too.  A poor intern or low level aide who gets caught up in a room where everyone is going to have to go before congress.  Ends up spending thousands of dollars maybe 100's of thousands of dollars on lawyers because you are a fool if you don't.  The slightest misstep can put you in a perjury trap or some other Martha Stewart crime forcing you into bankruptcy because democrats want to discredit an administration with an investigation.

http://blogs.harvard.edu/cheproject/files/2012/10/CHE-Project-Draft-Congressional-Inquiries.pdf

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3 hours ago, GoState99755 said:

 

She did no worse than the current administration at handling classified info.  How many ppl are in the West Wing w/out security clearances?

 

According to news reports, as many as 40. Including Kushner.

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1 hour ago, bluerules009 said:

The damage a political prosecution like the one going on now to individuals with only tangential involvement is what they are referring too.  A poor intern or low level aide who gets caught up in a room where everyone is going to have to go before congress.  Ends up spending thousands of dollars maybe 100's of thousands of dollars on lawyers because you are a fool if you don't.  The slightest misstep can put you in a perjury trap or some other Martha Stewart crime forcing you into bankruptcy because democrats want to discredit an administration with an investigation.

http://blogs.harvard.edu/cheproject/files/2012/10/CHE-Project-Draft-Congressional-Inquiries.pdf

It was a republican FBI Director that started the investigation. It was a Trump appointed Republican Assistant AG who appointed the Special Counsel.

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43 minutes ago, jackmormon said:

It was a republican FBI Director that started the investigation. It was a Trump appointed Republican Assistant AG who appointed the Special Counsel.

It is a political prosecution that will do more long term harm to Comey, Obama and the Democrats than it will to Trump.

It will though hurt hundreds of people financially, ruining many who did nothing more than try to serve their country and were caught up in a political prosecution.   Not that a small person like you would ever understand.

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37 minutes ago, bluerules009 said:

It is a political prosecution that will do more long term harm to Comey, Obama and the Democrats than it will to Trump.

It will though hurt hundreds of people financially, ruining many who did nothing more than try to serve their country and were caught up in a political prosecution.   Not that a small person like you would ever understand.

 

You do realize this thread is about Due Process, ¿no?

 

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4 hours ago, GoState99755 said:

 

You do realize this thread is about Due Process, ¿no?

 

You do realize that hypocrisy, deflection, and distraction are necessary skills in order to join the Republican party, no?

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Due process is a legal argument in criminal proceedings, and that's all.

 

In public, there is no such right. Credible evidence should be sufficient to make a call. It's no surprise a serial sexual predator like Trump would defend an abuser.And neither of them deserve 'due process' outside of the legal system.

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On 2/11/2018 at 11:15 AM, GoState99755 said:

 

(A) If El Donald is so concerned about "Due Process" why did he force Rob Porter out?

(B) The Trump Administration had +13-months to perform extreme vetting on Mr Porter.  How long does El Donald need to perform their "Due Process?"

 

A: The allegations are resultant from his security clearance investigation. Until formal resolution it would be improper to take a personnel action.

B. You don't" extreme vet" people who are asked to fill a position they often did not seek and are taking out of a sense of duty or service to their country. You ask simple generic questions such as "do you have a criminal record" or" have you declared bankruptcy" . The FBI or DIS does the background.

BTW

Ben Rhodes, Obama's National Security Advisor was denied a security ckearance and the media leftists were and are remarkably incurious as to why.

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1 hour ago, mysfit said:

Due process is a legal argument in criminal proceedings, and that's all.

 

In public, there is no such right. Credible evidence should be sufficient to make a call. It's no surprise a serial sexual predator like Trump would defend an abuser.And neither of them deserve 'due process' outside of the legal system.

 

Whether they "deserve 'due process'" or not, El Donald had +13-months to vet this guy.  How much more time does Trump want to provide this guy his "due process," or what ever the proper term for fair shake is in this context.

 

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1 hour ago, SDSUfan said:

A: The allegations are resultant from his security clearance investigation. Until formal resolution it would be improper to take a personnel action.

B. You don't" extreme vet" people who are asked to fill a position they often did not seek and are taking out of a sense of duty or service to their country. You ask simple generic questions such as "do you have a criminal record" or" have you declared bankruptcy" . The FBI or DIS does the background.

BTW

Ben Rhodes, Obama's National Security Advisor was denied a security ckearance and the media leftists were and are remarkably incurious as to why.

 

A)  So you are telling me "formal resolution" requires more-than-13-months?  The administration could kick the can down the road & avoid a "formal resolution" for the entire length of their 4-yr-term.

(B) Your response completely ignored my question from the OP.  Once again:  "How long does El Donald (with the assistance of the FBI and/or DIS) need to perform their "Due Process?" 

 

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1 hour ago, SDSUfan said:

Ben Rhodes, Obama's National Security Advisor was denied a security ckearance and the media leftists were and are remarkably incurious as to why.

 

Maybe the media would have been more curious if Rhodes beat the sh*t out of his wife and she was supplying images of the aftermath to the media, or dozen of his West Wing co-workers shared his lack of security clearance.

Is the media to blame for lack of hard evidence & the scale of the problem during Rhodes' era?

 

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37 minutes ago, GoState99755 said:

 

Maybe the media would have been more curious if Rhodes beat the sh*t out of his wife and she was supplying images of the aftermath to the media, or dozen of his West Wing co-workers shared his lack of security clearance.

Is the media to blame for lack of hard evidence & the scale of the problem during Rhodes' era?

 

"Lacking security clearances " is NOT about the ability to have a clearance.  It's about government  ability to investigate and process clearances.   My last periodic investigation took 13 months and I've held a clearance for roughly 40 years.

And again. the man denies that he beat his wife.  There is such a thing as due process.  I understand that minor details such as actual innocence and guilt mean virtually nothing to today's modern leftists, but some of us still hold on to such quaint notions.

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2 minutes ago, SDSUfan said:

"Lacking security clearances " is NOT about the ability to have a clearance.  It's about government  ability to investigate and process clearances.   My last periodic investigation took 13 months and I've held a clearance for roughly 40 years.

And again. the man denies that he beat his wife.  There is such a thing as due process.  I understand that minor details such as actual innocence and guilt mean virtually nothing to today's modern leftists, but some of still hold on to such quaint notions.

 

Yes he "...denied that he beat his wife."  He also admitted to taking the images of his handy work. He can't have it both ways.  

Congratulations that your "...last periodic investigation took 13-months."  I assume you don't wrk in the West Wing where those investigation are fast tracked.  Earlier today during congressional hearings, the FBI said Porter's background investigation was closed months ago.  

Yes "...there is such a thing as due process..." in a court of law.  What court of law is this issue being adjudicated in?  Technically Porter has no right to "due process," but he does deserve a fair shake.  The Administration had 13-months to give him a fair shake.  The evidence is overwhelmingly against him, so he's out.  At this pt, what additional review do you think Porter deserves?  

 

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Over 4.3 MILLION people have a security clearance. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/06/06/who-has-security-clearance/102549298/

Seems to me 13 months or longer to conduct an investigation isn't abnormal. How many people are conducting these investigations?

Seems to me a system problem of too many people that have clearances and a lack of people vetting them. 

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