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You seeing this shit? This is one of the most cynical things I've seen in a while. 

You wanna know why they want this law? Because they're already doing it to some extent illegally and they're tired of getting sued over it. Time's up on wage theft too for a lot of companies.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/21/opinion/trump-administration-restaurants-tipping.html

Most Americans assume that when they leave a tip for waiters and bartenders, those workers pocket the money. That could become wishful thinking under a Trump administration proposal that would give restaurants and other businesses complete control over the tips earned by their employees.

 

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I don't know, I'm torn on this issue.  When I worked for (and managed) a pizza place, all the delivery drivers made the same per hour as the in-house staff yet they got tips and a per delivery charge.  So they would be making nearly twice what the in-house staff was making yet they were reaping the benefits of the in-house staff's work.  

Also, when I was a bus boy when I was 15, the waitresses all split their tips with me.  Not sure why it's illegal.  

thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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Plus, shouldn't liberals support this?  It's just wealth redistribution among the entire restaurant staff.  

thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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5 minutes ago, mugtang said:

Plus, shouldn't liberals support this?  It's just wealth redistribution among the entire restaurant staff.  

Plus, shouldn't conservatives be the one's not supporting this? That's why methinks something foul is at play.

 

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3 minutes ago, toonkee said:

Plus, shouldn't conservatives be the one's not supporting this? That's why methinks something foul is at play.

 

The world is upside down. 

thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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16 minutes ago, mugtang said:

Plus, shouldn't liberals support this?  It's just wealth redistribution among the entire restaurant staff.  

Phuck that. Just pay the cooks as the skilled labor they are.

When I was a waiter in college, we got paid less than minimum wage, $2.01/hr.

It was a very high end restaurant, all the cooks were making at least $10/hr, this was 1980ish.

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12 minutes ago, renoskier said:

Phuck that. Just pay the cooks as the skilled labor they are.

When I was a waiter in college, we got paid less than minimum wage, $2.01/hr.

It was a very high end restaurant, all the cooks were making at least $10/hr, this was 1980ish.

Right?

 

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37 minutes ago, mugtang said:

Plus, shouldn't liberals support this?  It's just wealth redistribution among the entire restaurant staff.  

 

29 minutes ago, toonkee said:

Plus, shouldn't conservatives be the one's not supporting this? That's why methinks something foul is at play.

 

I figured it out. Management has no obligation to do anything with those tips.  They do what they want with the money and that redistribution moves up the food chain toward ownership/management. At it's least cynical, it appears to be good ole supply side econ, which of course, is generally favored by our Republican friends.

I'm sure some restaurants would redistribute the totality of the tips however I'm also sure that we would see every other possible redistribution scenario as well. 

 

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4 minutes ago, toonkee said:

 

I figured it out. Management has no obligation to do anything with those tips.  They do what they want with the money and that redistribution moves up the food chain toward ownership/management. At it's least cynical, it appears to be good ole supply side econ, which of course, is generally favored by our Republican friends.

I'm sure some restaurants would redistribute the totality of the tips however I'm also sure that we would see every other possible redistribution scenario as well. 

 

It would be wrong for management/owners to keep the tips.  

thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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Considering social media, it will be very interesting to see how this all shakes out. I could see very strong boycotts of restaurants where owners controlled the tips.

Maybe it could be done the way most casinos share tips among their dealers. That's usually handled by a "tip committee" that may have some management over-site but is primarily handled by the dealers themselves.

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24 minutes ago, renoskier said:

I also think it would be wrong for owners to essentially subsidize more of their payroll through the redistribution of tips. 

My bold.

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27 minutes ago, renoskier said:

Considering social media, it will be very interesting to see how this all shakes out. I could see very strong boycotts of restaurants where owners controlled the tips.

Maybe it could be done the way most casinos share tips among their dealers. That's usually handled by a "tip committee" that may have some management over-site but is primarily handled by the dealers themselves.

A system that currently is in homeostasis would be whacked out of balance. There would be all kinds of problems and unintended consequences before it settles back down.

 

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5 minutes ago, renoskier said:

Does anyone know how restaurants in Europe handle tips?

The reason I ask is that "waiter" and "chef" are often a career choices; at least much more often than here.

 

 

They don’t tip anything near what we do. I was a bartender for about a year and a half in Scotland. At the time (83-84) a pint was 68p. If I was lucky the customer would leave tuppence on the bar. 

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2 hours ago, renoskier said:

Phuck that. Just pay the cooks as the skilled labor they are.

When I was a waiter in college, we got paid less than minimum wage, $2.01/hr.

It was a very high end restaurant, all the cooks were making at least $10/hr, this was 1980ish.

Line cook in a nice high volume restaurant was the hardest job I have ever had, by far.  Took months to become "ok", around a year to be really good and it was physically and mentally exhausting.

However restaurants operate on very thin margins, especially ones without a liquor license.  Paying cooks like the skilled labor they are would result in most restaurants either closing or passing the costs onto the consumer.

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1 minute ago, Old_SD_Dude said:

They don’t tip anything near what we do. I was a bartender for about a year and a half in Scotland. At the time (83-84) a pint was 68p. If I was lucky the customer would leave tuppence on the bar. 

Yeah, I do think it's a little out of control here. Even as things have become more expensive, how has the "standard" become 20% instead of the age old 15%? Is is just because folks can't do simple math?

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