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USA as a Democracy - The Economist

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We were never a full democracy and that’s not a bad thing.  

thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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Or am I missing something about this?

thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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Someone with a subscription to the economist needs to clarify.

Political culture, how do they define that? How subjective is that? Also the functioning of government, what are the standards there? Which civil liberties?

We were never designed to award pluralism for good reasons. And our mediocre political participation can be chalked up to the freedom to do as one pleases, which I think is a higher ideal than forced participation for the sake of “democracy”.

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10 hours ago, mugtang said:

We were never a full democracy and that’s not a bad thing.  

Hmm Darth, the parameters of their "White Paper" are "electoral process and pluralism; civil liberties; the functioning of government; political participation; and political culture. Based on their scores on 60 indicators within these categories, each country is then itself classified as one of four types of regime: full democracy; flawed democracy; hybrid regime; and authoritarian regime."

Shouldn't the US, self-professed leader of the world, purveyor of truth, justice and the "American way", be higher than "flawed democracy"?

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And that would be a bad thing?  Donny's fav country, Norway, took 1st! 

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11 hours ago, mugtang said:

Or am I missing something about this?

You're missing something

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11 hours ago, mugtang said:

We were never a full democracy and that’s not a bad thing.  

I sometimes imagine a world in which the Republicans are the liberal urban party and the Democrats are the conservative rural party where it's the whiny liberal pedants making useless clarifications, as if using the greek form of "rule of the people" makes a huge difference as opposed to using the latin form

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11 minutes ago, happycamper said:

I sometimes imagine a world in which the Republicans are the liberal urban party and the Democrats are the conservative rural party where it's the whiny liberal pedants making useless clarifications, as if using the greek form of "rule of the people" makes a huge difference as opposed to using the latin form

:shrug: 

thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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1 minute ago, mugtang said:

:shrug: 

I mean every liberal democracy is a representative democracy. They both mean rule+people. The Oxford definitions are just re-arrangements of each other. 

It's just connotations from our stupidly named parties

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1 minute ago, happycamper said:

I mean every liberal democracy is a representative democracy. They both mean rule+people. The Oxford definitions are just re-arrangements of each other. 

It's just connotations from our stupidly named parties

We should rename our political parties to “The Blubbering Idiots” and “The Blubbering Morons”.  Take your pick of who’s who. 

thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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2 minutes ago, mugtang said:

We should rename our political parties to “The Blubbering Idiots” and “The Blubbering Morons”.  Take your pick of who’s who. 

Sex Crim Party and the Paid for By Wall Street party

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Just now, happycamper said:

Sex Crim Party and the Paid for By Wall Street party

Seems interchangeable as well 

thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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It is kind of funny that the whole reason the United States set up parliamentary style democracies in Korea, Japan, Germany, Iraq,  etc... was to insure the governments remained weak and non-aggressive.   They can't make changes fast if at all to changing situations and they certainly can't create a military state.

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In my own personal experience, having lived in three different countries, the level of individual freedom or "democracy" completely depends on what you're looking at. For instance, I find it interesting that Canada and the Nordic countries score so high on "democracy" when in fact certain political parties and ideological speech are banned. I'm also surprised that the Netherlands didn't score higher as they're one of the more free societies in all of Europe (and the world for that matter) aside from their strict gun control laws. In the US, the biggest authoritarian issues our society faces include ridiculous morality laws, lack of due process and equality in the justice system, and a primary voting process for the executive branch that is both elitist and unbalanced as millions of voters don't have a real say in who runs in the general election. 

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