Trump was Right - "No Collusion"

[toonkee]

Sorry, Jack. It's obstruction.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/us/politics/jeff-sessions-special-counsel-russia.html

The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, is increasingly focused on Mr. Trump’s conduct in office and on whether he obstructed the investigation itself.

Mr. Mueller has also told the president’s lawyers that he will most likely want to interview Mr. Trump, and one person familiar with the discussions has said that the special counsel appeared most interested in asking questions about the firing of the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, and about the former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn. Those topics show Mr. Mueller has an interest in whether the president tried to obstruct justice.

[toonkee]

OMG Sessions arrested!

[mugtang]

I never believed collusion but figured he would screw himself with something like this.  Obstruction of justice is likely what brings him down. 

[NVGiant]

8 minutes ago, mugtang said:

I never believed collusion but figured he would screw himself with something like this.  Obstruction of justice is likely what brings him down. 

I don’t think he will be brought down, but if he does, it’ll be for this

[smltwnrckr]

It was pretty clear that the investigation was focusing more on obstruction from the beginning, since Mueller was brought on after Trump fired Comey. Trump's insistence on "No Collusion!!!!" always missed the point of the thing in the first place.

 

[Boise fan]

As soon as Trump has to talk in a deposition, he'll hang himself.  Perjury will sink him faster than anything else.

[Rebelbacker]

4 minutes ago, Boise fan said:

As soon as Trump has to talk in a deposition, he'll hang himself.  Perjury will sink him faster than anything else.

The worst decision he could make is agreeing to be deposed. He's walking into a set up. 

[Boise fan]

3 minutes ago, Rebelbacker said:

The worst decision he could make is agreeing to be deposed. He's walking into a set up. 

Nah it's not a set-up.  Clinton's perjury charge was a set-up. 

Trump lies so often he won't last 10 minutes without hanging himself.  Might be something as simple as how much money he's worth. 

Or how small his hands are.

[halfmanhalfbronco]

1 hour ago, smltwnrckr said:

It was pretty clear that the investigation was focusing more on obstruction from the beginning, since Mueller was brought on after Trump fired Comey. Trump's insistence on "No Collusion!!!!" always missed the point of the thing in the first place.

 

BS.

No collusion false narrative, no investigation.  Period.

[thelawlorfaithful]

It seems like Mueller is nearing the end of the investigation.

[NorCalCoug]

1 minute ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

It seems like Mueller is nearing the end of the investigation.

Guessing Trump will be going to jail any day now....

[thelawlorfaithful]

These seem to be the statute’s in question.

18 U.S. Code § 1503 - Influencing or injuring officer or juror generally

(a)Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, endeavors to influence, intimidate, or impede any grand or petit juror, or officer in or of any court of the United States, or officer who may be serving at any examination or other proceeding before any United States magistrate judge or other committing magistrate, in the discharge of his duty, or injures any such grand or petit juror in his person or property on account of any verdict or indictment assented to by him, or on account of his being or having been such juror, or injures any such officer, magistrate judge, or other committing magistrate in his person or property on account of the performance of his official duties, or corruptly or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice, shall be punished as provided in subsection

(b). If the offense under this section occurs in connection with a trial of a criminal case, and the act in violation of this section involves the threat of physical force or physical force, the maximum term of imprisonment which may be imposed for the offense shall be the higher of that otherwise provided by law or the maximum term that could have been imposed for any offense charged in such case.

(b)The punishment for an offense under this section is—

...(1 and 2 relate to killing or attempts to kill)

(3) in any other case, imprisonment for not more than 10 years, a fine under this title, or both.

[NVGiant]

8 hours ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

BS.

No collusion false narrative, no investigation.  Period.

That’s not how it works. Obstruction would be a related charge, and fear of it is what triggered the special prosecutor in the first place, as you recall.

[thelawlorfaithful]

18 U.S. Code § 1512 - Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant

(c) Whoever corruptly—

...

(2)otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

 

(d) Whoever intentionally harasses another person and thereby hinders, delays, prevents, or dissuades any person from—

(3) arresting or seeking the arrest of another person in connection with a Federal offense; or

(4) causing a criminal prosecution, or a parole or probation revocation proceeding, to be sought or instituted, or assisting in such prosecution or proceeding; or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 3 years, or both.

[thelawlorfaithful]

18 U.S. Code § 1519 - Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy

Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

[smltwnrckr]

9 hours ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

BS.

No collusion false narrative, no investigation.  Period.

Right. Just like Nixon was taken down for burglary and Clinton was taken down because he was horny.  

BTW, you don't have anything to worry about. Mueller will make it clear in his report that Trump obstructed justice but make the case that the decision on whether to charge the president with obstruction is one that must be made by congress. The GOP won't vote to impeach. So your boy is at least safe until after the midterms. 

[toonkee]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/24/politics/mueller-investigation-analysis/index.html

 

[mugtang]

44 minutes ago, toonkee said:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/24/politics/mueller-investigation-analysis/index.html

 

CNN is fake news 

[mugtang]

58 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said:

Right. Just like Nixon was taken down for burglary and Clinton was taken down because he was horny.  

BTW, you don't have anything to worry about. Mueller will make it clear in his report that Trump obstructed justice but make the case that the decision on whether to charge the president with obstruction is one that must be made by congress. The GOP won't vote to impeach. So your boy is at least safe until after the midterms. 

I disagree.  The GOP establishment doesn’t want Trump. They want Mike Pence and this would be the easiest way to get Mike Pence. 

[smltwnrckr]

7 minutes ago, mugtang said:

I disagree.  The GOP establishment doesn’t want Trump. They want Mike Pence and this would be the easiest way to get Mike Pence. 

The behavior of enough GOP reps in the house right now lead me to believe he won't be impeached. Paul Ryan won't be able to get the jock-sniffing Devin Nunes wing of the party in line to impeach right now, IMO.

The interesting thing to me is how Mueller's report or actions would effect the midterms. Depending on how nuts it gets, I could see many democrats running for Congress specifically saying they will vote to impeach the president. That would be fun.