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4 hours ago, UNLV2001 said:

At this point it's hard to give a full 1 thru 11 ranking as in some ranges a team ranked 3 could also be ranked 6 and so on, but here is 1 to 11 ranking with lot's of reasons to be revised

 

1) Boise St - Got a big road win against a top 4 MWC team where road wins will probably be hard to come by

2) Nevada - Loss to SF Dons & then Lobo's taking them to final minute at home aren't reasons to panic, but they are perhaps a sign this team can be beat

3) SDSU - Returned home to wallop USU after boning a game at Wyoming. Still the Aztecs have the MWC's best win just last week over Gonzaga

4) Fresno St - Got a home win over Air Force, but the home loss to NV gives pause that the Dogs should be any higher than this at this moment

5) UNLV - The BSU loss is big in that it's a HOME loss to another top 5 MWC team and will be hard to make up. Concerns could be showing, but favorable schedule could allow Rebels to work things out

6) Wyoming - Held home court vs SDSU and that is big for a team that just lost to Northern Colorado at home a few days earlier. As always beware when visiting Laramie 

7) New Mexico - Took Nevada to the wire and didn't collapse when down 10+ on the road. Good depth could be the thing that gets the Lobo's some wins in unexpected locations

8) CSU - Rams needed a big rally to leave San Jose with a win. Showed some life with the rally, but bottom line is, being down 16 to SJSU is reason for concern

9) USU - This 9 spot is probably where the Aggies will stay the rest of the way. Good news is the teams below are worse & bad news is Aggies probably get few wins against teams above

10) Air Force - Falcons don't show much of anything and wins will probably be few and far between and fighting it out with SJSU to stay out of the basement 

11) SJSU - Spartans almost got the upset over CSU, but after a good 1st half the Spartans fell on their sword an impaled themselves with another loss which won't be the last time this probably happens 

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11 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

The Champs

1. Nevada

The Challenger

2. Boise State

The Contenders

3. Wyoming

4. San Diego State

5. UNLV

6 Fresno State

The Respectables

7. New Mexico

8. Colorado State

9. Utah State

The Deplorables

10. Air Force

11. San Jose State

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23 hours ago, happycamper said:

It's amazing how the altitude only affects sdsu. 

Elevation effects defense, especially late in each half. How much elevation affects you is a function of the difference between the elevation where you live and where you play, so San Jose State, Fresno State,  and San Diego State are physically affected the most. The Aztecs last loss at Wyoming was during 2014. So the Aztecs have played fairly well there, although they do give up more points than would otherwise be expected. 

SDSU has had 5 upper half NCAA berths in a row.

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5 hours ago, AztecBill said:

Elevation effects defense, especially late in each half. How much elevation affects you is a function of the difference between the elevation where you live and where you play, so San Jose State, Fresno State,  and San Diego State are physically affected the most. The Aztecs last loss at Wyoming was during 2014. So the Aztecs have played fairly well there, although they do give up more points than would otherwise be expected. 

Check vagina. 

"but we only lost to Stanford by 3."

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10 hours ago, AztecBill said:

Elevation effects defense, especially late in each half. How much elevation affects you is a function of the difference between the elevation where you live and where you play, so San Jose State, Fresno State,  and San Diego State are physically affected the most. The Aztecs last loss at Wyoming was during 2014. So the Aztecs have played fairly well there, although they do give up more points than would otherwise be expected. 

You have no clue.  Elevation doesn't affect basketball players, those kids could play 5 games in a row and not be tired.   Elevation might make a difference in a race on a track where you are going to exhaustion but not basketball.   

These are young kids in good physical condition, a basketball game is not a significant test of endurance.  

The humidity in San Diego is far harder on opponents from the inland western states than altitude.

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17 hours ago, AztecBill said:

Elevation effects defense, especially late in each half. How much elevation affects you is a function of the difference between the elevation where you live and where you play, so San Jose State, Fresno State,  and San Diego State are physically affected the most. The Aztecs last loss at Wyoming was during 2014. So the Aztecs have played fairly well there, although they do give up more points than would otherwise be expected. 

Elevation affects 2 things.

1. Recovery time. There's less air pressure, so you have to take a bigger breath to get the same amount of oxygen.

2. How far the ball travels. The basketball is fairly heavy and doesn't travel far, so unlike baseball there is not much of a difference.

Your players are all 18-23 year olds in incredible physical condition playing at a deliberately slow pace. Basketball is full of stops and starts that allow recorvery time. Furthermore, while it is possibly to acclimate to altitude, the players you are facing are breathing THE SAME DAMN AIR. I've swam and run competitively (you could argue that my running was hardly competitive... lol) at 2,000, 5,000, and 7,000 feet. At 7,000 feet, I could never - never - recover as quickly as I could at 5,000 feet, unlike the difference between 5,000 and 2,000 feet. Even when working out more, and harder, and being there for years. 

All your players have to do to compensate is... breathe more deeply. That's it. They're in shape, they aren't on a mountain peak, and they play at a tempo that favors recovery. Either your strength and conditioning coach is extremely incompetent in which case we'd see late game/OT collapses by the Aztecs frequently anyway, or the elevation affects their heads, not their bodies. 

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1 hour ago, happycamper said:

Elevation affects 2 things.

1. Recovery time. There's less air pressure, so you have to take a bigger breath to get the same amount of oxygen.

2. How far the ball travels. The basketball is fairly heavy and doesn't travel far, so unlike baseball there is not much of a difference.

Your players are all 18-23 year olds in incredible physical condition playing at a deliberately slow pace. Basketball is full of stops and starts that allow recorvery time. Furthermore, while it is possibly to acclimate to altitude, the players you are facing are breathing THE SAME DAMN AIR. I've swam and run competitively (you could argue that my running was hardly competitive... lol) at 2,000, 5,000, and 7,000 feet. At 7,000 feet, I could never - never - recover as quickly as I could at 5,000 feet, unlike the difference between 5,000 and 2,000 feet. Even when working out more, and harder, and being there for years. 

All your players have to do to compensate is... breathe more deeply. That's it. They're in shape, they aren't on a mountain peak, and they play at a tempo that favors recovery. Either your strength and conditioning coach is extremely incompetent in which case we'd see late game/OT collapses by the Aztecs frequently anyway, or the elevation affects their heads, not their bodies. 

Do you think wyo players might have higher red blood cell counts, being conditioned at 7220'? That makes a difference right?

 

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4 hours ago, toonkee said:

Do you think wyo players might have higher red blood cell counts, being conditioned at 7220'? That makes a difference right?

 

Oh, sure, they're slightly more able to handle it physically. Honestly, when you're in shape, the biggest difference is that you find yourself breathing more than expected for the same movement. Put a great conditioning coach at SDSU and a mediocre one at UW and you'd see UW sucking wind at home and SDSU doing fine, though. 

This isn't even talking about the fact that humidity and heat have the exact same effect as altitude...

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7 hours ago, happycamper said:

Elevation affects 2 things.

1. Recovery time. There's less air pressure, so you have to take a bigger breath to get the same amount of oxygen.

2. How far the ball travels. The basketball is fairly heavy and doesn't travel far, so unlike baseball there is not much of a difference.

Your players are all 18-23 year olds in incredible physical condition playing at a deliberately slow pace. Basketball is full of stops and starts that allow recorvery time. Furthermore, while it is possibly to acclimate to altitude, the players you are facing are breathing THE SAME DAMN AIR. I've swam and run competitively (you could argue that my running was hardly competitive... lol) at 2,000, 5,000, and 7,000 feet. At 7,000 feet, I could never - never - recover as quickly as I could at 5,000 feet, unlike the difference between 5,000 and 2,000 feet. Even when working out more, and harder, and being there for years. 

All your players have to do to compensate is... breathe more deeply. That's it. They're in shape, they aren't on a mountain peak, and they play at a tempo that favors recovery. Either your strength and conditioning coach is extremely incompetent in which case we'd see late game/OT collapses by the Aztecs frequently anyway, or the elevation affects their heads, not their bodies. 

Tempo? 

You are thinking of a different Aztec team and a different Wyoming team. They are two of the highest tempo teams in the conference.

MWC Tempo

1 UNLV

2 Wyo 

3 UNM

4 SDSU

 

SDSU has had 5 upper half NCAA berths in a row.

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2 hours ago, happycamper said:

Oh, sure, they're slightly more able to handle it physically. Honestly, when you're in shape, the biggest difference is that you find yourself breathing more than expected for the same movement. Put a great conditioning coach at SDSU and a mediocre one at UW and you'd see UW sucking wind at home and SDSU doing fine, though. 

This isn't even talking about the fact that humidity and heat have the exact same effect as altitude...

So then all that 7220 signage around your athletic fields and courts is just poppycock?

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7 hours ago, toonkee said:

Do you think wyo players might have higher red blood cell counts, being conditioned at 7220'? That makes a difference right?

 

yes it does. and there is absolutely no way that a 7000 foot difference in altitude would not affect the aztecs' play, especially late in the game, because although yes, as happy said, 'it's the same damn air' it's the daily conditioning that makes the difference. otherwise why would there be a need for a high altitude training camp?

wyo fans, your team did a great job in their win against the aztecs, no one is taking that away. but to say that that kind of altitude makes no difference is stretching it a little, lol. and i know this first hand.

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22 minutes ago, toonkee said:

So then all that 7220 signage around your athletic fields and courts is just poppycock?

Of course not. It's a psych out and it works

 

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7 minutes ago, SFtoVA said:

Isn't that why sea level teams (at least in football I think) come out a couple of days before the game? Can the body quickly adjust in two days to negate the elevation affect, or does it take much longer?

It takes two weeks, really. The patriots flying to Denver, staying in Colorado springs, and then playing in df makes sense, but a single extra day is meh.

But... Altitude doesn't matter as much in football. More anaerobic than basketball. Stuff like cross country and long distance swimming are the most affected, usa swimming provides time adjustments for qualification at altitude for the mile swim.

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