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Killing off the WAC irreparably Damaged the MWC. Should Have Stayed at 9 teams

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2 hours ago, Warbow said:

We get to cheer on sundays went your buddy’s come around in their white shirts on their bicycles and we kick their asses back to Utah.

Trying to rope those little bastards is harder than you think.  They can sure peddle when needed.  

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On 12/29/2017 at 5:06 PM, Warbow said:

Once an idiot always an idiot.

At the height of expansion talks for the MWC in  2006 & 2007 and at the height of the BCS era Hawaii was a combined 23-4 with wins over Washington, Purdue, Arizona St.

Plus we were drawing almost 50K per game. The only MWC that could match Hawaii's attendance was BYU.

BTW, Hawaii would have smoked thru the MWC in 2006 and 2007. Your conference was BYU and the rest of the pieces of shit.

I remember your sorry ass wishing & predicting Hawaii would lose each week from week 5 thru the end of the season. It was so much fun coming here and stuffing it in your ugly mug of yours. You could only try and save face after the Georgia loss, a team that would have blown out EVERY MWC school that year.

Just be lucky that your 9 schools broke off from the WAC because I'm pretty sure a WAC school (Boise St, Hawaii, Fresno St and Nevada) would have won the MWC conference title in almost all of the BCS era if they were in it.

Go away idiot, your era here is also done! MWCBoard ass-been.

 

On 12/31/2017 at 12:21 AM, Warbow said:

Hawaii would have won the MWC in both 2006 and 2007. Nevada would have won the MWC in 2010. Boise st would have won it every other year of the BCS era. 

Repeating the same nonsensical assertion doesn't make it so.  

On 12/31/2017 at 10:42 AM, Fe34Iife said:

Really and why do you think that? You needed overtime to beat 5-7 Louisiana Tech and 5-7 San Jose, a last second field goal to beat 6-7 UNR, and your best wins were against 9-4 Fresno, a down 10-3 Boise team, and a 4-9 Washington team. I guess those results coupled with your spectacular performance in the Sugar Bowl proves you would have rolled Illinois...lol.

By the way even though Illinois got destroyed by USC they did beat 3 teams that finished ranked that year (Penn State, Wisconsin, and Ohio State), and the Buckeyes finished in the top 5 that year.

Those 3 wins are better than any on Hawaii's schedule, but you guys did play two FCS teams that year so i guess that was pretty tough...

This is all pretty much correct.  Hawaii played two FCS teams in 2007 along with their weak WAC schedule.  Just comparing the 2006 UH schedule to 2007, it looks like 2006 has the better resume in spite of more losses.  In 2006 they had more wins over winning teams and their three losses were all relatively close - two on the road, one at home.

In 2007, the only wins I see against teams with winning records were Boise State and Fresno State.  And the 2007 BSU team was not nearly as good as the 2006 Fiesta Bowl Champion version, in spite of Warbow's protestations to the contrary.  One big difference was at the quarterback position.  How can you argue it is the same team when the most important player on the field is different?  Also, as evidence that this BSU team wasn't as good as in 2006, they provided one of Washington's 4 wins that season.

So, to your assertion that Hawaii would have smoked through the MWC in 2006 and 2007.  The team that actually accomplished that was BYU, going undefeated in league play those two seasons.  Their average margin of victory in league games in 2006 was 25.5 points.  The only game that was closer than 14 points was the rivalry game in SLC when Beck found Harline (who is still open, by the way).  The 2007 season wasn't quite as much of a blood bath - the average margin of victory was nearly 15 points.  Three teams kept the score within single digits - all of which ended up winning at least 8 games and going to bowl games.

In contrast, during Hawaii's 2007 WAC schedule, they needed overtime to eke out a 1-point victory against 4-win LaTech, and a 7-point win over 5-win SJSU.  Not to mention a slim 2-point victory over 6-win Nevada.  Hawaii performed better against its WAC slate in 2006, save for its loss against Boise State.

Without BYU in the MWC those years, then Hawaii would have had a decent shot at championships.  If they'd had to face BYU each season, then they probably wouldn't have won.  BYU had similar numbers of wins against winning programs each season as did Hawaii.  They had fewer losses in 2006 (2), both coming on the road, one on a last second FG and the other in double overtime.  In 2007, they had another 2 losses - both on the road to bowl teams - one of which they avenged in the Vegas Bowl that year (UCLA).  The best team either BYU or Hawaii beat in either year was BYU's 2006 victory over a TCU team that would finish 11-2 and ranked #22.

Looking at the AP poll, it seems that the voters judged BYU to be better than Hawaii both seasons.  BYU finished #16 in 2006 and #14 in 2007.  I didn't see Hawaii ranked in the final poll in either season.

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How far back do we want to go?

 

If the WAC-16 had stayed together, it probably would have been a BCS conference.  It already had Utah-BYU-TCU as well as the occassional Hawaii, Air Force, Fresno, CSU team, etc.

And it would have kept Boise in the Big West.  Boise somehow seems to always ends up as the big winner as a result of every other conference's big moves.

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22 minutes ago, WAC_FAN said:

How far back do we want to go?

 

If the WAC-16 had stayed together, it probably would have been a BCS conference.  It already had Utah-BYU-TCU as well as the occassional Hawaii, Air Force, Fresno, CSU team, etc.

And it would have kept Boise in the Big West.  Boise somehow seems to always ends up as the big winner as a result of every other conference's big moves.

I doubt it.

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On 1/4/2018 at 12:30 PM, RogueStout said:

WAC 16 was a freakshow. No way that thing could have held together.

There would have been like another 3 years to ride out with no money.  But then I think it would have been better.  As it is, both conferences lost the Holiday/Sun Bowl and had to rebuild from scratch anyway.

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22 minutes ago, WAC_FAN said:

There would have been like another 3 years to ride out with no money.  But then I think it would have been better.  As it is, both conferences lost the Holiday/Sun Bowl and had to rebuild from scratch anyway.

The Sun Bowl never was with the WAC.  Previous to ACC and P12,  it was the Big 10 versus Pac 10.  Great matchups over the years.  More recently its had Oklahoma versus Stanford when they had Luck, and Miami vs Notre Dame a few years back.  No G5 teams.

 

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On 12/29/2017 at 12:04 PM, RebelRobert said:

MWC should have added Boise, Houston and SMU in the 2005-2008 time frame.

BYU, Utah, Boise, TCU, Houston, SMU, UNLV, SDSU, Colorado State, Air Force, New Mexico, Wyoming.

That would have been a legit conference that could have easily survived the losses of Utah and TCU.

In fact, we should make that conference now but have Cincy and Memphis instead of Utah/TCU.

MWC should have added Boise, Fresno, and Houston by 2008. With the Boise St. addition, the MWC would have been in the top-3 in all but one of the BCS qualifier categories. So, MWC has a claim for the automatic BCS bowl for the last couple of years before the CFP. And, Houston and Fresno St. would have bolstered the middle of the conference which would have improved SOS. And, the MWC would have had a conference championship game.

This lineup would not have prevented the Utah and TCU defections, but it may have kept BYU on board and the WAC in place as the bottom tier western conference. The MWC would have been the beneficiary of the Big East's demise. SMU would have been a suitable replacement for TCU; Hawaii...or perhaps Memphis....or Navy?...would have replaced Utah. 

So, today, the MWC could have looked like:

WEST: Boise, BYU, Fresno, Hawaii, SDSU, UNLV

MOUNTAIN: Air Force, CSU, Houston, New Mexico, SMU, Wyoming

OR

WEST: Boise, BYU, Fresno, Hawaii, SDSU, UNLV, Wyoming 

EAST: Air Force, CSU, Houston, Memphis, Navy, New Mexico, SMU

 

WAC = SJSU, Nevada, Idaho, Utah St., NMSU...UMass, Liberty

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On 1/4/2018 at 9:48 AM, WAC_FAN said:

How far back do we want to go?

 

If the WAC-16 had stayed together, it probably would have been a BCS conference.  It already had Utah-BYU-TCU as well as the occassional Hawaii, Air Force, Fresno, CSU team, etc.

And it would have kept Boise in the Big West.  Boise somehow seems to always ends up as the big winner as a result of every other conference's big moves.

 

 I'm not sure this would've worked out long term for the Big West, not without more bowl bids...

Boise

Nevada

Idaho

Utah State

NMSU

Cal Poly

North Texas

UC Davis

with UC Santa Barbara, CSU Fullerton, Long Beach and UC Irvine as non-football members.  That ultimately lasted as long as the WAC-16.

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On 12/29/2017 at 1:54 PM, bornontheblue said:

Careful. We don't want to attract that idiot @DesVandal

Can you name 1 thing you've attracted in your life?

Not contracted...  attracted.

HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! No, seriously HA! HA!

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On 1/6/2018 at 11:48 AM, AlvinLee said:

I noticed that SJSU has NMSU on its 2021 schedule, but there is no game scheduled for @ NMSU.

Is that because NMSU's administration is planning on moving down to FCS by then?

Why would NMSU schedule you if they were moving down by then?  Strange question.  2021 has SDSU, USU, UNM, UTEP, and SJSU so far.  It doesn't sound like they are anticipating moving down.

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On 1/4/2018 at 9:48 AM, WAC_FAN said:

How far back do we want to go?

 

If the WAC-16 had stayed together, it probably would have been a BCS conference.  It already had Utah-BYU-TCU as well as the occassional Hawaii, Air Force, Fresno, CSU team, etc.

And it would have kept Boise in the Big West.  Boise somehow seems to always ends up as the big winner as a result of every other conference's big moves.

Not a chance.  The Big Boys weren't then just like they aren't now about to add anyone else to the BCS/Power conference ranks.  It's one thing to bring a non-BCS team or two up into the Power ranks like Utah and TCU and quite another to bring an entire conference let alone a 16-team conferfence.

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On 1/5/2018 at 2:05 PM, alum93 said:

The Sun Bowl never was with the WAC.  Previous to ACC and P12,  it was the Big 10 versus Pac 10.  Great matchups over the years.  More recently its had Oklahoma versus Stanford when they had Luck, and Miami vs Notre Dame a few years back.  No G5 teams.

 

Cotton, sorry!

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Imagine if - INSTEAD OF KILLING THE WAC WHEN BOISE/SDSU WENT TO THE BIG EAST/AAC.... What if the core group of MWC teams responded by luring in Montana and NDSU?

Montana/NDSU in FBS would have easily replenished the QUALITY of the conference... 

It would have also kept MWC NUMBERS low and the WAC alive to keep the Western Ecosystem favorable for the MWC.

It would have also made "Special Deals" for Boise unneeded, which further upset the balance and made the MWC a desert for the poor schools.

If Boise returned it would have been on the MWC's terms.

Right now there IS simply too much drag in the bottom of the league. It's killed recruiting and perception.

Its too late now to rewind time and replenish with QUALITY

The MWC is stuck with the dead weight.

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2 hours ago, RogueStout said:

I cringe for you.

 

I cringe for the MWC.

I don't think its controversial to say that having Fresno and Nevada as #8 & #9 in the MWC (with equal revenue sharing), is FAR SUPERIOR...

...to having Boise and SDSU as #11 & #12, with unequal revenue sharing (and NO CHRIS PETERSON)

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THE MWC SHOULD HAVE STAYED COMPACT. THEY OPENED THE VAULT FOR A PROGRAM THAT SAW ITS BETTER DAYS.

It was a YUGE miscalculation. It killed the MWC as a multibid conference (too much dead RPI weight) and as a credible FB conference (unequal resources allocated to a headless Boise on the decline)

The AAC got better by making their competition get fatter. We have SEEN THAT in the subsequent years PLAY OUT.

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