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UNLV's 2 Billion $ Stadium - Agreement Reached

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Signage, concessions, parking, locker rooms and field all will be UNLV's on game day + 35 million cash money for our troubles.

 

UNLV can schedule two non-con games per season but they must be "mostly" P5 - whatever that means.

 

 

 

 

 

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So UNLV can’t take advantage of the Hawai’i exemption anymore?  And what if UNLV can’t schedule 2 P5’s at home every year?

thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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36 minutes ago, mugtang said:

So UNLV can’t take advantage of the Hawai’i exemption anymore?  And what if UNLV can’t schedule 2 P5’s at home every year?

I'm pretty sure that won't be a problem in the new stadium. We already get home and homes in Sam Boyd. Vegas, baby. The problem will be 2 auto-losses every year unless we get it together by then. 

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3 minutes ago, toonkee said:

I'm pretty sure that won't be a problem in the new stadium. We already get home and homes in Sam Boyd. Vegas, baby. The problem will be 2 auto-losses every year unless we get it together by then. 

Maybe we can get some Kansas, Illinois or Oregon State types over here.

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53 minutes ago, mugtang said:

So UNLV can’t take advantage of the Hawai’i exemption anymore?  And what if UNLV can’t schedule 2 P5’s at home every year?

It says an emphasis on P5 opponents.... given the quality of the stadium, I think they'll probably be able to attract one P5 opponent per year to beat them at home. 

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9 minutes ago, toonkee said:

I'm pretty sure that won't be a problem in the new stadium. We already get home and homes in Sam Boyd. Vegas, baby. The problem will be 2 auto-losses every year unless we get it together by then. 

But that means you’re likely playing 4 P5’s almost every season, two home and two away to account for the H&Hs you’ll be signing.  Not saying that’s necessarily a bad thing but you could be starting most conference seasons 1-3 or 0-4 which would put you at a serious disadvantage for potential bowl berths as you’d have to win at least 5 MWC every season to potentially make a bowl game at 6-6.  That’s not a good way to build a program. 

thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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11 minutes ago, mugtang said:

But that means you’re likely playing 4 P5’s almost every season, two home and two away to account for the H&Hs you’ll be signing.  Not saying that’s necessarily a bad thing but you could be starting most conference seasons 1-3 or 0-4 which would put you at a serious disadvantage for potential bowl berths as you’d have to win at least 5 MWC every season to potentially make a bowl game at 6-6.  That’s not a good way to build a program. 

Time is short to get our crap together.  No doubt about it.

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UNLV can play as many home games as they want in the new stadium and they also get three other events selected by the University in which reasonable rent must not exceed the actual operational or pass-through costs, excluding any fixed costs, to host the game or event at the project.  Those three other events could be a Spring Game, Bowl Game or hosting the Democratic National Convention in 2020.  The two "Power 5" games that you guys are talking about are only mentioned because UNLV gets priority scheduling for these games.  That means that UNLV can bump an Eagles concert or Justin Bieber.  We only get priority over major events for these TWO NON-CONFERENCE games.

UNLV can play as many home games as they want.  No way would UNLV agree to restricted home games to only six games.  Use your brains.

The difference is that UNLV doesn't get priority scheduling for the other home games and could get stuck playing on a Thursday or Friday if a major Concert is scheduled for a Saturday.

You can read the agreement below:

https://nshe.nevada.edu/wp-content/uploads/file/BoardOfRegents/Agendas/2018/jan-mtgs/bor4-ref/BOR-2.pdf

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Section 5.2:

Commencing on the date of this Agreement and subject to the limitations set forth in this Section 5.2, Licensee shall have the right to schedule two (2) nonconference UNLV Team Home Games (each, a “Priority UNLV Team Home Game”) to be played at the Stadium each UNLV Season following the first UNLV Season during which the UNLV Team plays UNLV Team Home Games at the Stadium. The Priority UNLV Team Home Games shall be scheduled on any Saturday on which a Priority Event has not then been scheduled, and such nonconference UNLV Team Home Games will have priority over Major Events that have not then been (BOARD OF REGENTS 01/04/18) Ref. BOR-2, Page 13 of 65 4813-8778-6073 5 scheduled (but not over any other Priority Events). For the first Priority UNLV Team Home Game, Licensee shall notify Licensor of the requested date for such Priority UNLV Team Home Game not less than one (1) UNLV Season and not more than (4) UNLV Seasons in in advance thereof. For the second Priority UNLV Team Home Game, Licensee shall notify Licensor of the requested date of such Priority UNLV Team Home Game not less than one (1) UNLV Seasons and not more than seven (7) UNLV Seasons in advance thereof. Licensee shall notify Licensor of the requested date of each Priority UNLV Team Home Game no earlier than September 1 of each calendar year, and the current UNLV Season shall not be counted as one of the UNLV Seasons in advance Once notification of a requested date for a Priority UNLV Team Home Game has been provided to Licensor, such request shall be deemed approved for the applicable UNLV Season schedule unless Licensor provides a response with thirty (30) days of Licensor’s receipt of such request identifying a Major Event that was scheduled on Licensee’s requested date prior to the date of Licensor’s receipt of the request. Once such Priority UNLV Team Home Game has been approved or deemed approved by the Licensor, the date of such Priority UNLV Team Home Game shall not be changed without the prior approval of the Licensor. Following the first UNLV Season during which the UNLV Team plays UNLV Team Home Games at the Stadium, Licensee shall have the opportunity to schedule one (1) Priority UNLV Team Home Game every other UNLV Season on Labor Day weekend.

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1 hour ago, BestintheWest said:

Maybe we can get some Kansas, Illinois or Oregon State types over here.

I think that it is implicit in the "P5" that to everyone associated with tourism and stadium revenue that "P5" means P5 schools that are going to bring large contingents of fans, like what was seen with Wisconsin in the past and to a lesser extent schools like UCLA who bring 10-15K to the Silver Bowl, hopefully more with the new venue.

If you're UNLV and LVSA and LVCVA you go directly for schools like Nebraska and Notre Dame, who are sold out at home and have fans who will travel to see games.  You need to schedule some Texas and Oklahoma schools during the weekend of Professional Bull Riders championship (late October/ first of Nov).  You need to target the weekend of the upcoming second NASCAR LV race (potentially September) to schedule some strong attendance SEC schools.  You need to figure out that there are at least five times (probably much more than that) as many UCLA/Cal/USC/Stanford alumni/fans living in the LV valley as there are UNLV season ticket holders. 

Oregon State sounds good but nobody is buying it.  When they came in 2009 UNLV almost got a win, but they drew 4,000 fewer fans than Hawaii did here the following weekend, and about the same as conference opponents BYU and Utah the following month.

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2 hours ago, toonkee said:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/stadium/unlv-can-use-las-vegas-raiders-stadium-parking-lots-agreement-shows/

 

Signage, concessions, parking, locker rooms and field all will be UNLV's on game day + 35 million cash money for our troubles.

 

UNLV can schedule two non-con games per season but they must be "mostly" P5 - whatever that means.

 

 

 

 

 

The agreement says "These non-conference games will focus on opponents in “Power 5” conferences".  It says "focus", this is not absolute....

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Going to take some time for the "two P5 caliber" home game scheduling since some of the schedule is already set a few years out.

What I see is getting more H&H deals with most (not all) P5 opponents........it will be hard for some blueblood programs to come to UNLV, but maybe UNLV deals that team a serious block of tickets so they have incentive and revenue 

One concern I have with the stadium is the lack of parking - I doubt this hurts the Raiders as a good % of those fans will come from out of the LV market and parking won't factor in........but UNLV for a run of the mill MWC game that lack of parking could hurt attendance - Not sure if there's enough UNLV FB loyalty that if parking is hard to come by some fans could say fvck it & not go, because they might not be too keen on paying to park at a casino and hoofing it over to the stadium 

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18 minutes ago, UNLV2001 said:

Going to take some time for the "two P5 caliber" home game scheduling since some of the schedule is already set a few years out.

What I see is getting more H&H deals with most (not all) P5 opponents.

Several P5 home games already on the schedule for once the stadium opens, 6 of the 14 desired for 2020-2026:

   2020: Cal, ASU

   2021: Iowa St

   2022: -

   2023: Vanderbilt

   2024: -

   2025: UCLA

   2026: Cal

The LVCVA needs to get behind the scheduling effort.  If they were able to come up with $1.8M to get Jackson St, Howard, and Grambling St to come to town then they should be able to help get Nebraska or similar schools on the schedule.  Las Vegas knows that it is worth the investment to get 30,000 Cornhusker fans to come to town.... 17 hour drive from Lincoln means they would stay several nights.

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3 minutes ago, BleedRebelRed said:

Several P5 home games already on the schedule for once the stadium opens, 6 of the 14 desired for 2020-2026:

   2020: Cal, ASU

   2021: Iowa St

   2022: -

   2023: Vanderbilt

   2024: -

   2025: UCLA

   2026: Cal

The LVCVA needs to get behind the scheduling effort.  If they were able to come up with $1.8M to get Jackson St, Howard, and Grambling St to come to town then they should be able to help get Nebraska or similar schools on the schedule.

Think the LVCVA getting involved almost has to happen - Some P5's don't really travel all that well - Can't see Vanderbilt being a P5 team that could get more than 30,000 in the new stadium 

Also it might help if UNLV concentrates on PAC 12 schools withing a days drive or short flight - I could see UNLV trying to hook up a rotation among CAL, Stanford, UCLA, USC, ASuU, Arizona & Utah - and sadly BYU might be a regular with this set up

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Honestly UNLV needs to schedule no P5 games OOC.  They need to start having winning seasons and going to bowl games to gain momentum and then start scheduling one P5 a year as a gauge.  One FCS, a sun belt, a cusa, and a low level mac school should be the OOC for the next five years.  Start building a winning culture and slowly start attracting better players.  Once you get five years of winning seasons then add in one P5 a year.  Once you go start going .500 against the P5 opponent add another.

I understand that road pay days help fill the budget but honestly if you give up $2mm in road pay days (actually less than that given the cost of travel) and replace with two H/H's against G5's the net reduction in revenue will be less than $1mm and to me that is worth it to gain a huge edge in the probability of winning games and getting bowl eligible.

I mean when is the last time UNLV beat a P5 and what is the record against P5's over the last decade??

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4 minutes ago, Fowl said:

 

I mean when is the last time UNLV beat a P5 and what is the record against P5's over the last decade??

It's pretty easy to figure out.  UNLV has had the worst winning percentage of all div 1 schools west of the Mississippi all time.

i like the excitement though, I'm pulling for them.  I am still trying to picture a sold out Unlv football game.  How does that happen?  

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2 minutes ago, Fowl said:

Honestly UNLV needs to schedule no P5 games OOC.  They need to start having winning seasons and going to bowl games to gain momentum and then start scheduling one P5 a year as a gauge.  One FCS, a sun belt, a cusa, and a low level mac school should be the OOC for the next five years.  Start building a winning culture and slowly start attracting better players.  Once you get five years of winning seasons then add in one P5 a year.  Once you go start going .500 against the P5 opponent add another.

I understand that road pay days help fill the budget but honestly if you give up $2mm in road pay days (actually less than that given the cost of travel) and replace with two H/H's against G5's the net reduction in revenue will be less than $1mm and to me that is worth it to gain a huge edge in the probability of winning games and getting bowl eligible.

I mean when is the last time UNLV beat a P5 and what is the record against P5's over the last decade??

This is now the problem UNLV faces with some of this stadium agreement 

1) UNLV can access & sell 70 luxury boxes! 

  1.  To do that means there HAS to be a serious BIG TIME, Highly RANKED opponent - even then selling 35 (with 30 going to fans of the opponent) will be a difficult task
  2. FCS, Sunbelt, MAC, CUSA, AAC teams won't sell luxury suites much less actual seats 
  3. UNLV schedules major P5's & takes major beatings just to drive box & ticket sales
  4. The long shot result is that these tougher schedules pay of in recruiting and UNLV actually begins to turn the corner and maybe lighting strikes & a P5 conference rides to the rescue 

2) UNLV sells (maybe) 10 luxury boxes to the one serious P5 opponent, loses the game and nothing really changes - eventually the folly comes to reality & UNLV starts looking for an out and another run at a CSU style on campus stadium serving UNLV well as a average G5 program for the next 60 years 

 

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13 minutes ago, UNLV2001 said:

Think the LVCVA getting involved almost has to happen - Some P5's don't really travel all that well - Can't see Vanderbilt being a P5 team that could get more than 30,000 in the new stadium 

Also it might help if UNLV concentrates on PAC 12 schools withing a days drive or short flight - I could see UNLV trying to hook up a rotation among CAL, Stanford, UCLA, USC, ASuU, Arizona & Utah - and sadly BYU might be a regular with this set up

I believe the value of BYU to the stadium crowd is questionable.  BYU is not going to fill rooms on the strip, put gamblers at the tables, and sell $9 beers at the stadium.  Plus their attendance bump potential is well below what is being targeted.

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1 minute ago, slappy said:

It's pretty easy to figure out.  UNLV has had the worst winning percentage of all div 1 schools west of the Mississippi all time.

i like the excitement though, I'm pulling for them.  I am still trying to picture a sold out Unlv football game.  How does that happen?  

Selling out SBS took bringing in Wisconsin and sometimes a decent BYU - turning the stadium over to the opponent for some $$ making it a road/home game for the opponent...........that worked for the 35,000 seats at SBS

For the Raiders Stadium, it's going to have to take a Nebraska, Michigan, etc type program that can gobble up 60,000 of the 65,000 seats 

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