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On 1/19/2018 at 1:51 AM, k5james said:

Because we've been paying attention and have an understanding of the situation that am outsider wouldn't.

Both initiatives failing is far from a "nightmare" scenario.  It can be argued it would actually be preferable to both initiatives.

If both initiatives fail in order for the land to be sold it would have to be designated surplus land.  Once it is designated surplus land the city charter has already established who gets first crack at the land.  SDSU would be number two behind government agencies responsible for low income housing.

It won't cost SDSU $7M to run that stadium as a majority of that $7M figure is for the city employees that run the place's salaries/bonuses/pensions.

The actual cost to keep it running is closer to $2.5M last I looked into it.

That's why SDSU fan isn't too worried.  The worst case scenario right now is playing second fiddle to a small time league in a too small stadium surrounded by a bunch of condos.  While that would suck it wouldn't be the end of the world.

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Exactly, the bolded is the worst case scenario. I'll add additional details to that piece as well. 

We SDSU fans are not "drinking the Kool-aid." Rather, we have been following this situation closely, and know the situation. 

Let's lay out the scenarios (abbreviated, as I don't have time to go into all the details):

SDSU West Passes - This is obviously the best scenario, as SDSU would build Aztec Stadium, breaking ground sometime in early 2020. SDSU would continue playing at SDCCU Stadium in the interim. Yes, SDSU has already said they will take over operation of the stadium. Furthermore, the city owes about $6 million a year on the stadium regardless of what happens. The additional cost argument is just being used by the competition.

Both Initiatives Fail - If both initiatives fail, this is also a positive for SDSU. As K5 laid out, the city charter already has established that the first priority is low income housing, with the second priority being education. Part of SDSU's proposal is to offer low income housing, and SDSU already worked with the agencies responsible for this to work them into the proposal. The City Council would set the requirements, of which a Stadium and campus expansion would be a part, and developers would bid on the contracts. 

This is what legally was supposed to happen in the first place, and is the reason that Soccer City surreptitiously planned the initiative route, route the contract, then surprised SDSU with it. They knew that this is the only route for them to get access to the land, without competing for it against other developers.

Soccer City Wins - If this happens, SDSU would have until December 1, 2018 to agree to "partner" with Soccer City. In this case, they would "own" the land under the stadium (worthless), would commit $160 million to a $250 million stadium that would seat 33,500 (counting unsellable seats and SRO), would get 5 acres around the stadium, then another 17 acres for their "campus." Sadly these acres would be sold at an insane $10 million to $13 million. It is worth mentioning that these "concessions" were deemed to not be legally binding by the City Attorney, so SDSU could get screwed in this scenario. Basically, the worst case scenario is that SDSU plays in a ~30,000 seat soccer stadium, gets minimal land to develop, and is never able to truly grow. Not the nightmare scenario that you lay out, but certainly not a good one.

Regarding the SDCCU Stadium lease extension, one will be signed. The reason it has not been signed yet, is that the mayor has been stalling the negotiations, as to wait until SDSU has a competing initiative on the ballot. SDSU West's initiative will be approved in 30 days. The Mayor and SDSU will then finalize the lease extension. Expect there to be an announcement this summer. As I have stated, the City owes ~$6 million a year on the stadium as is, and SDSU has offered to take over cost of the stadium. Furthermore, nobody can start building on the site until around 2021, as one of the initiatives would have to first pass, then legal hurdles would need to be cleared, then a lease would need to be executed. Additionally, the actual Soccer City initiative requires SDCCU stadium to be open until 2021. So yea, SDSU is at no risk of not having a place to play.

Any other educated Aztec fans can add on to this if you would like. This is all off memory, without looking at any notes.

I hope this covers your questions. Frankly, nothing SDSUfan says is accurate, and it is hard to argue with people who blatantly state things that are false or misleading, then tell you you are an idiot when you correct them.

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Updates over the last 24/48 hours have been big on this topic locally here in SD. 

1) Local Chapter of the Sierra Club endorsed SDSUwest over SoccerCitySD

2) San Diego Police Dept. endorsed SDSUwest over SoccerCitySD

3) Jack McGrory, one of those who helped craft the SDSUwest initiative, was appointed to the CSU board of trustees by the Governor of California. 

Momentum is building towards the November elections. 

 

 

 

 

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On 11/29/2017 at 10:37 PM, SDSUfan said:

I can't make you understand that when you tell the citizens that it's about "education" and they see condos, offices and stores that they'll feel uhhh ...misled  and will vote accordingly. You'll just have to experience it for yourself.

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On 11/30/2017 at 12:45 AM, SDSUfan said:

LOL. The Truth makes an appearance.

I know when I think of a college "campus", hotels, office space, condos and stores are the first things I think of.....<_<

The writers conclude the obvious to anyone with IQ north of lichen.

As the process continues, the blatent dishonesty of the "SDSU West"  crowd will be exposed. The reputation of the university will suffer.

 

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/growth-development/sd-fi-sdsu-mission-valley-plan-stadium-20171129-story.html

Well, the opposite of your prediction here happened. The University developed a broad coalition, of bi-partisan support, and completely destroyed the competition. 

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On 11/30/2017 at 1:11 AM, SDSUfan said:

Who the phuck do you think your peddling the bullshit to?  Revenue from the site will pay for the stadium, What else will pay for it given that no tax dollars and no student fees will be used, five SDSU football games/yr?  The mythical "professional" partner? Fairies peddling unicorn dust?  L....O...L

Again, you can't admit the truth because once it's known, SDSU West is sunk.

Well, this is exactly what has happened. Revenue bonds are being used to pay for the stadium. Furthermore, you don't understand how student fees are raise. They are either raised for the entire CSU system, or the students have to vote to reads them themselves. 

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On 11/30/2017 at 10:12 AM, SDSUfan said:

Exactly zero percent will be dedicated to education.

The whole thing is funded by revenue bonds. It is ....follow me here....ILLEGAL TO BUILD CLASSROOMS WITH REVENUE BONDS. Educational facilities require legislative action and are funded through the general fund. This is because the state is required to staff and maintain them. 

Educate yourself.

Well. This is just false. Where do you come up with this bullshit?

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On 12/18/2017 at 6:47 PM, SDSUfan said:

radio silent on the signature drive.  The next big milestone is the November 18 vote. SDSu's task is to try and obscure the fact that this has nothing to do with education for the next year or so.  They will fail.

https://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/land-use/the-four-big-differences-between-soccercity-and-sdsu-west/

Well, this is false and has been proven to be also. But hey, it is over now. No point in gloating, right?

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On 1/15/2018 at 7:10 PM, SDSUfan said:

More News of the future curb stomping.

https://www.voiceofsandiego.org/newsletters/politics-report/politics-report-ward-predicts-sdsu-soccercity-mutual-destruction/

https://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/news/deal-city-sdsu-keep-playing-football-sdccu-stadium-still-elusive/

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/growth-development/sd-fi-sdsu-stadium-signatures-delay-20180112-story.html

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/columnists/kevin-acee/sd-sp-acee-soccercity-soccer-popularity-fun-0112-story.html

 

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Keep in mind, playing here vv is considered by all TRUE SDSU FANS © to be the death knell of  football as we know it, so much so that they've taken actions that are intended to kill this proposal not ONCE considering that those very same actions are likely to kill their preferred proposal.  never in all of my life have I seen anything so utterly stupid.

                             

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This is the first thing you have been right about. A 'curb stomping' was indeed coming. 

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On 1/16/2018 at 9:58 AM, SDSUfan said:

Wrong on virtually every count. The rule regarding sale to a public entity impacts SURPLUS land. The stadium site isn't SURPLUS land nor would the city declare it so without a fight from those within and without city government. 

Even the current SDSU West "plan" doesn't involve converting the land to state property. If it did the entire bullshit scam falls apart.

You've "won" nothing other than a delayed vote which was more about unions than SDSU. 

You'll "win" nothing going forward other than perhaps a TAXPAYER FUNDED reprieve for a couple of years regarding closure of the stadium TRUE SDSU FANS believe is ruining the football program.

Maybe not even that.

Everything you said here was false. It is fun taking a stroll down memory lane though.

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