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What, you all do not want to get into an argument that includes year to year computer models showing Boise was far and +++++ing away the best non AQ program of the BCS era? Pussy ass bitches.

Just say when...I dare you.  The numbers make it +++++ing crystal.  

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1 hour ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

It true.  Arguing that Boise was not the premier non AQ program during the BCS era is a folly.  We were.  I missed all those SI and Madden covers for Utah and TCU I guess.  

This is v sad my guy

Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. 

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4 minutes ago, happycamper said:

This is v sad my guy

Au contraire.  This decade old argument and needs to be argued with decade old points.

Boise State was THE Non AQ program. Arguing otherwise means you are out of touch.  

Boise was far and away the biggest name and brand in the non AQ. If you disagree, you are lying.  Period 

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5 hours ago, happycamper said:

Nah he leaves or that the top third of the mw has left while the top third of the wac joined.  Typical wac off stuff

Not sure what you are referring to but @halfmanhalfbronco’s point is much of what I was referring to though I would probably have added Houston and a good Hawaii under June Jones also.  
 

But then again I would have added teams from Texas this go around and Wichita State a couple years ago.  This conference consistently thinks short term. 

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1 hour ago, utenation said:

Houston, Cincy, WVU and UCF aren't academic giants. Average at best according to US News.  I don't really think the B12 has modeled their invites on academic profile only.  I think they wanted to fill holes with sports related numbers and possibly snag decent revenue. With BSU's reputation of being King of the Mountain and waves and waves of national interest, I'm surprised BSU wasn't top choice considering BSU's firepower when they were top dog as recent as 2014. 

You do know Houston, Cincinnati, and UCF are all R1 Universities? Carnegie is a much more respected measure.  

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36 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Au contraire.  This decade old argument and needs to be argued with decade old points.

Boise State was THE Non AQ program. Arguing otherwise means you are out of touch.  

Boise was far and away the biggest name and brand in the non AQ. If you disagree, you are lying.  Period 

Utah >>> BSU during that time. 

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1 minute ago, Stealthlobo said:

What happened to the non-sports section??

Anyway during the golden days:

Utah>TCU>BSU. Sorry @halfmanhalfbronco

(Oh and UNM was the best BB MWC team ever under Alford ;) )

I mean lots of stupid on this board.  

Boise was head and shoulders better through the BCS era than Utah.  Arguing otherwise is +++++ing stupid and ignoring math and numbers.  Not even close.  

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1 minute ago, MetropolitanCowboy said:

Not at all. I will say though, the 2007 Fiesta is one of the best games I’ve ever watched in my life. 

Utah had two great years.  Boise had 5, and a 6th after the division.  No comparison. Utah posted a bunch of mediocre seasons while Boise was being talked about as a nation title contender that would never be.  

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6 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

I mean lots of stupid on this board.  

Boise was head and shoulders better through the BCS era than Utah.  Arguing otherwise is +++++ing stupid and ignoring math and numbers.  Not even close.  

That demolition of bama by Utah is one of the proudest memories I have of a MWC team. Maybe us old school Mountain westerners are biased because boise was in the wac when they beat Oklahoma. I remember the trick plays, but not the game.

Re: Utah, I was like 25 at the time when they beat Bama and I think I still have the highlight YouTube  video saved somewhere.

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5 minutes ago, Stealthlobo said:

That demolition of bama by Utah is one of the proudest memories I have of a MWC team. Maybe us old school Mountain westerners are biased because boise was in the wac when they beat Oklahoma. I remember the trick plays, but not the game.

That game was far and away the most impressive.  No question.  Does not change the FACT that Boise was considered the premier non AQ team.  Just does not.  And while Utah had two good seasons Boise had several seasons that garnered more national attention than Utah ever did. 

When it came to media attention, Utah and TCU were our bitches, much more Utah.  

 

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Just now, halfmanhalfbronco said:

That game was far and away the most impressive.  No question.  Does not change the FACT that Boise was considered the premier non AQ team.  Just does not.  And while Utah had two good seasons Boise had half a dozen seasons that garnered more national attention than Utah ever did. 

 

Heh, I think they garnered that attention because of the blue field...

I do admit I was swayed a lot by the posters on this board during that time too. The TCU posters were few but chill, I liked the Utah posters too, but the Boise one's were obnoxious! (Ian for Heisman has already mentioned how he used to be back then lol)

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1 minute ago, Stealthlobo said:

Heh, I think they garnered that attention because of the blue field...

I do admit I was swayed a lot by the posters on this board during that time too. The TCU posters were few but chill, I liked the Utah posters too, but the Boise one's were obnoxious! (Ian for Heisman has already mentioned how he used to be back then lol)

I mean it just is what it is. Most college football fans do not even have a memory of Utah football in the MWC  They ALL have a memory of Fiesta win and the "great debate" about us playing for a title.  Boise still holds 2 of the top 5 games on ESPN ever.

Utah's moment in the sun simply can not compare.  At all. 

 

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11 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Utah had two great years.  Boise had 5, and a 6th after the division.  No comparison. Utah posted a bunch of mediocre seasons while Boise was being talked about as a nation title contender that would never be.  

No one ever did that. Time to lay off the edibles for the night lol

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21 minutes ago, Stealthlobo said:

What happened to the non-sports section??

Anyway during the golden days:

Utah>TCU>BSU. Sorry @halfmanhalfbronco

(Oh and UNM was the best BB MWC team ever under Alford ;) )

Perhaps but that doesn’t mean adding Boise, Fresno, Hawaii and Houston wouldn’t have made the conference stronger nationally. 

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22 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

You do know Houston, Cincinnati, and UCF are all R1 Universities? Carnegie is a much more respected measure.  

I've tried finding any article suggesting that academics was a big requirement for this latest round of additions. I couldn't find anything. Everything was centered around athletic success, revenue and stabilizing the conference.  No mention of academics in this article. Not once. 

Today’s vote solidifies the long-term trajectory of the Big 12 Conference,” stated Commissioner Bob Bowlsby. “I applaud the efforts of our presidents, chancellors and athletics directors of our continuing members to expeditiously consider and take this action. The addition of these four fine institutions ensures the continued success of the Big 12 at the highest levels of intercollegiate athletics competition.”

https://big12sports.com/news/2021/9/10/big-12-conference-adds-four-new-members.aspx

 

I did find something from 2016 that said academics was fifth on the list of reasons to add teams.  Halfman's point is that academic profile was the reason they got snubbed this last round. I don't buy it. 

 

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1 minute ago, MetropolitanCowboy said:

No one ever did that. Time to lay off the edibles for the night lol

Don't challenge me on this, you are not as stupid as I am nor as petty

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/put-em-in-or-keep-em-out-the-boise-state-debate

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/442867-boise-state-national-championship-debate-the-bottom-of-the-barrel

https://www.newsday.com/sports/college/college-football/bcs-debate-over-boise-state-heats-up-again-1.2356960

All on page 1 of google.  Not interested in finding more past page 1 (the other references were towards our national debate championship run )

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