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[halfmanhalfbronco]

1 minute ago, happycamper said:

Ok.  And beat sjsu by 7.

The mw had more roadblocks than the wac. So bsu would have been as good,  but the likelihood of running the table was lower. 

That SJSU team was better than most MWC teams that same year.  They were loaded.  Might have won the MWC.    

[halfmanhalfbronco]

Just now, HR_Poke said:

Which is essentially what they did when we petitioned for a waiver. 

MWC did not meet the metrics when you petitioned for a waiver.  You would have with Boise.  /end argument.

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1 hour ago, robe said:

Yep funny guy in person. He is still doing well. Not sure why doesn’t post anymore. He is married with kids now.

Reach out to him if you can. Get him back here. Even if it's just a cameo.

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37 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

MWC did not meet the metrics when you petitioned for a waiver.  You would have with Boise.  /end argument.

We didn't. But based on their actions it wouldn't have mattered. They booted the big east and didn't include us.

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1 minute ago, HR_Poke said:

We didn't. But based on their actions it wouldn't have mattered. They booted the big east and didn't include us.

The BE retained their autobid until they lost teams that dropped them below the metrics.

The MWC with Boise would have at least been able to go to court.  Not inviting Boise until you needed us was insulting and dumb.  Boise was always good enough for the MWC and would have been just as good as TCU and better than Utah.  (TCU was better than Utah through the duration of their shared tenure).  

[HR_Poke]

2 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

The BE retained their autobid until they lost teams that dropped them below the metrics.

The MWC with Boise would have at least been able to go to court.  Not inviting Boise until you needed us was insulting and dumb.  Boise was always good enough for the MWC and would have been just as good as TCU and better than Utah.  (TCU was better than Utah through the duration of their shared tenure).  

I don't disagree. But I didn't have a vote, and the MWC presidents all still had PTSD from the WAC-16

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3 minutes ago, HR_Poke said:

I don't disagree. But I didn't have a vote, and the MWC presidents all still had PTSD from the WAC-16

Which is why I am so happy Boise made those same presidents suck our +++++ing dick and give us a sweetheart deal.  All new presidents now, so I would be fine with giving up said deal.  

 

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49 minutes ago, utenation said:

Reach out to him if you can. Get him back here. Even if it's just a cameo.

I’ll see what I can do. He got me started on this site

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2 hours ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

That SJSU team was better than most MWC teams that same year.  They were loaded.  Might have won the MWC.    

Ahh yes, the ole transitive argument. SJSU was 9-4 that year with losses to BSU, Hawaii and Nevada.  I seem to recall an 11-2 #16 BYU team being really good that year with John Beck. They also beat a good TCU team to win the MWC and smashed Oregon in their bowl game.

Just because they lost a close one to BSU doesn't mean they win anything here. As far as BSU beating Utah in 2006, we were average at best that year. Boise was really good.

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Just now, utenation said:

Ahh yes, the ole transitive argument. SJSU was 9-4 that year with losses to BSU, Hawaii and Nevada.  I seem to recall an 11-2 #16 BYU team being really good that year with John Beck. They also beat a good TCU team to with the MWC and smashed Oregon in their bowl game.

Just because they lost a close one to BSU doesn't mean they win anything here. As far as BSU beating Utah in 2006, we were average at best that year. Boise was really good.

It's a good thing BYU did not have to play powerhouse SJSU right?

Boise was 19-1 against the MWC during that era.  The one lose by 1 point to a top 10 TCU team we beat the next year.

Boise would have been just as good in the MWC as we were in the WAC.  We were also head and shoulders better than any MWC team not named Utah or TCU during that era.  And even those teams, we statistically out performed year after year, especially compared to Utah.  TCU and Boise were pretty close, conference affiliation had nothing to do with it.  

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2 hours ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Well the old argument was always that Boise would not have the same success in this conference.  We were every bit as good if not better than TCU and TCU had Boise like success here.  It was a dumb argument a decade ago and it is still dumb now.  

 

@RSF given the laugh react, do you think TCU was better than Boise during the BCS era?  I would LOVE to hear that argument.  Both teams were similar, but Boise with far more brand recognition and consistency dating back to 2001. TCU turned it on in the later half of the era, but was never a year to year better team than Boise.  

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11 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

It's a good thing BYU did not have to play powerhouse SJSU right?

Boise was 19-1 against the MWC during that era.  The one lose by 1 point to a top 10 TCU team we beat the next year.

Boise would have been just as good in the MWC as we were in the WAC.  We were also head and shoulders better than any MWC team not named Utah or TCU during that era.  And even those teams, we statistically out performed year after year, especially compared to Utah.  TCU and Boise were pretty close, conference affiliation had nothing to do with it.  

I'm on board with your Boise scenario 100% when Pete was around. Harsin wasn't terrible. But BSU has become pretty pedestrian since Pete left. BSU struggles to stay in the top tier these days. 

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Just now, utenation said:

I'm on board with your Boise scenario 100% when Pete was around. Harsin wasn't terrible. But BSU has become pretty pedestrian since Pete left. BSU struggles to stay in the top tier these days. 

For sure.

But this is a conversation about the glory days the Non AQ!!!   And Boise was KING of those days!  Above Utah, and TCU, as far as recognition!  BYU not even in the conversation.  We were the three kings, and Boise was king supreme.  

 

 

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I love how a 2007 thread has turned into 2007 banter.  LOVE IT.  

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13 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

For sure.

But this is a conversation about the glory days the Non AQ!!!   And Boise was KING of those days!  Above Utah, and TCU, as far as recognition!  BYU not even in the conversation.  We were the three kings, and Boise was king supreme.  

 

Highly debatable. Utah went to 2 BCS Bowls from 2004-2010. BSU 2 as well. I think Utah was consistently ranked higher in 2004 and 2008 when both teams were undefeated. BSU didn't lose until their bowl games in those years. Basically Utah kept BSU out of BCS bowls those years. 

So I'm not sure what metric you're using other than your opinion to claim "King" and "more recognition". TCU and Utah got invited to P5 conferences, so someone was paying close attention to Utah and TCU.

 

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15 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

I love how a 2007 thread has turned into 2007 banter.  LOVE IT.  

Digging this thread up from the graveyard has been gold. 

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17 minutes ago, utenation said:

Highly debatable. Utah went to 2 BCS Bowls from 2004-2010. BSU 2 as well. I think Utah was consistently ranked higher in 2004 and 2008 when both teams were undefeated. BSU didn't lose until their bowl games in those years. Basically Utah kept BSU out of BCS bowls those years. 

So I'm not sure what metric you're using other than your opinion to claim "King" and "more recognition". TCU and Utah got invited to P5 conferences, so someone was paying close attention to Utah and TCU.

 

It is not debatable at all, only a homer would think otherwise.  Boise was WAY better than Utah during the BCS era.  We were in the conversation most years, Utah was not.  Boise was going top 20-top 15 from 2001 until the end.   Neither Utah or TCU can say the same.  The records, notable wins, all are on Boise's side.  As are the number of highly ranked finishes.  As is the publicity.  Utah was Boise's little sister in the media, mentioned maybe half as much. 

Congrats on being a great academic school.  If Boise was, we get the invite over Utah.  We were simply MUCH MUCH better during the BCS era.  Congrats on the 2 good seasons.  Boise had way more that garnered national attention. 

There is ZERO question as to which program was the premier program in non AQ conferences as it pertained to reputation..  It was Boise with TCU second.  Utah a distant third.  BYU not worth mentioning.  

[happycamper]

12 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

It is not debatable at all, only a homer would think otherwise.  Boise was WAY better than Utah during the BCS era.  We were in the conversation most years, Utah was not.  Boise was going top 20-top 15 from 2001 until the end.   Neither Utah or TCU can say the same.  The records, notable wins, all are on Boise's side.  As are the number of highly ranked finishes.  As is the publicity.  Utah was Boise's little sister in the media, mentioned maybe half as much. 

Congrats on being a great academic school.  If Boise was, we get the invite over Utah.  We were simply MUCH MUCH better during the BCS era.  Congrats on the 2 good seasons.  Boise had way more that garnered national attention. 

There is ZERO question as to which program was the premier program in non AQ conferences as it pertained to reputation..  It was Boise with TCU second.  Utah a distant third.  BYU not worth mentioning.  

Utah seal clubbed Bama

Sorry halfman but all of Boises accomplishments will never sum up to that one moment.  Is it fair? Who cares? It's life in college football

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7 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

It is not debatable at all, only a homer would think otherwise.  Boise was WAY better than Utah during the BCS era.  We were in the conversation most years, Utah was not.  Boise was going top 20-top 15 from 2001 until the end.   Neither Utah or TCU can say the same.  The records, notable wins, all are on Boise's side.  As are the number of highly ranked finishes.  As is the publicity.  Utah was Boise's little sister in the media, mentioned maybe half as much. 

Congrats on being a great academic school.  If Boise was, we get the invite over Utah.  We were simply MUCH MUCH better during the BCS era.  Congrats on the 2 good seasons.  Boise had way more that garnered national attention. 

There is ZERO question as to which program was the premier program in non AQ conferences.  It was Boise.   

LMAO.. I don't think the B12 has the same academic requirements as the P12 when TCU was invited and there's wasn't even a sniff for BSU to the B12 this latest round.  I agree that BSU was more consistent than Utah but the rest of what you said is just fluff. Taking the most comparable seasons for both teams is about as fair as you can get.  Utah has always sold out our stadium since 2003 and did well in TV ratings.

If Utah was BSU's little sister, I sure like the way things turned out for us..