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3 hours ago, wolfpack1 said:

None of those reasons mean he will be or won't be a good coach. Going from a coordinator position to a head coaching position is a big jump, however many times the thing that matters most is the coaches you bring in with you to help you with things. Personally I wasn't very pleased with the hire, a lot of the media wasn't to impressed either, however you have to give everyone time to see how things go and I have always said you have to give someone at least 3-4 years before really judging because things change, turnover and other such things that come up. This is going to be a rough year for the team and also really don't like hearing Ault is involved with the team. If he wants to coach the team then coach the team; otherwise take steps away and let people run the program. 

Wow, I guess we'll disagree on everything. :)  

The media didn't like the hire? Who was that? If writers knew how to consistently pick great coaches, they would be making big bucks in consulting. 

OBVIOUSLY, when I or anyone else talks about a new coach that they like, there's the implication that, of course any new hire no matter how good they appear, has a certain level of risk. Norvell wasn't even on my radar during the search because I didn't even hear about him until the very end. I was for the Vandy coach and didn't want Baldwin. 

Bringing in a long time very popular assistant from elite P5 schools with deep recruiting ties to CA and Texas also has the benefit of existing connections that can make the team better immediately. Baldwin would've struggled immensely in recruiting for the first year for sure. He got a lot of his players in western WA. He would need to build new G5 level ties.

So immediately Norvell's connections get him an Alabama starting quality QB for 2 years as a pocket passer and extremely accurate with the long ball. Cornwell is a  Big, tall, durable accurate passer. Gangi is cool, and a good runner but not a potential elite QB that Cornwell could become. Norvell's ties got him some other players we need, as well. 

Then you have a staff that can recruit day 1 with all their ties in CA, a staff that can actually teach & develop players. And a DC that's had success at the med-high P5 level as a DC. 

With the next 7-10 years being so important to the long term future of your program with more conf shifting, you can't afford to wait around 3-5 years to see if your new coach can win. At least at year 2 their needs to be solid progress. A Baldwin wouldn't be able to do that, Norvell gives us a great chance. 

I think our offense will be good, and if the OL learns with good coaching we could be hard to stop. Defense is the big concern, but if player development becomes strong again we could have a pretty respectable D by the end of the season. So I think it's realistic to think we could go 7-5 or 6-6 this year.  It would be a great sign if we could beat 1 of the 3 teams that we'll be dogs to: Toledo, Northwestern and Wazzu. I think it's very possible.

 

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19 hours ago, k5james said:

You should hit up Vegas if you're so confident.

Going next week to see the Who, likely will make a wager at sportsbook while I am there, but much more satisfying taking money from SDSU fans.

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On 8/3/2017 at 11:39 PM, kingpotato said:

None really. Two ended up being close final score, but Wazzu was down 17 in the 4th and scored 2 TDs to make it a little tight. CSU was down 28-3 with 5 minutes to go and scored 3 TDs (recovered 2 onside kicks). Both already caught a ton of breaks late to make it close. It woulda been a lot more than "one play" to pull those out... they already had a lot of plays late to get to that point. A lot different than leading for 59 minutes to lose (late 4th down TD, 2 pt conversion, and a safety) and the other had 1st and goal from the 1 yard line and not being able to punch it in.

That's what I mean by one play. There were multiple chances to seal the win, but it didn't work out that way. Losing after being up by 3 and 4 scores would have been fairly freakish.

The rest of the games weren't close. 

You must of blocked out that BYU game...i watched that game and was shocked BYU didnt win it...

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On 8/3/2017 at 11:16 AM, baileyake said:

1 Alabama
2 Ohio St
3 Florida St
4 USC
5 Clemson
6 Penn St
7 Washington
8 Oklahoma
9 Michigan
10 Wisconsin
11 Oklahoma St
12 LSU
13 Auburn
14 Stanford
15 Georgia
16 Florida
17 Louisville
18 Miami
19 Kansas St
20 West Virginia
21 USF
22 Virginia Tech
23 Texas
24 Tennessee
25 Utah

Others Receiving Votes

Washington State 99; Colorado 72; TCU 58; Boise State 49; Notre Dame 49; Texas A&M 46; Pittsburgh 45; North Carolina State 39; Oregon 37; Northwestern 25; Nebraska 23; Memphis 22; Arkansas 22; Mississippi State 19; San Diego State 18; Appalachian State 11; Brigham Young 10; Georgia Tech 10; Tulsa 10; Wyoming 9; Western Michigan 8; Temple 8; North Carolina 8; Houston 7; Troy 6; Minnesota 6; Iowa 5; Louisiana Tech 4; Syracuse 3; Arizona 2; Army 1; Colorado State 1; Michigan State 1; Maryland 1; Toledo 1; UCLA 1.

If my Tigers can knock off UCF on the road and start out 2-0...we could be ranked heading into a HUGE home game with UCLA.

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On 8/3/2017 at 5:06 PM, ExplorerSunDevil said:

I think you guys hired the wrong Norvell.

Here I thought all along that you guys had hired Mike Norvell as your HC, only to find out that its Jay "Milkstache" Norvell.

I've got to give our Prez and AD credit where it's due. Most of our fans were thinking names like Barry Odom or Lane Kiffin...they went out and found someone most Memphis fans had not heard of but who was perfect for the job.

the first thing he did was keep Darrell Dickey on as Assoc HC and OC...then he went out and got Riley Ferguson...the rest is history.

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On 8/3/2017 at 3:30 PM, Chad Sexington said:

I was speaking entireLly within the context of preseason polls. 

I actually think that this is the best team the UTES have ever fielded. I think UTE fans are in for another special season. 

LOL.  No way this Ute team is better than the 2008 team.

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14 minutes ago, coalman29 said:

You must of blocked out that BYU game...i watched that game and was shocked BYU didnt win it...

Again, we're talking about plays that could have gone the other way. That is the first time I've ever seen a team be minus 5 in TOs and still win.

How many breaks does a team need? Yardage was 571 to 322. They couldn't move the ball and Boise moved it with ease. Score was close, you're right. But if you are plus 5 in TOs with two defensive TDs and you STILL lose, you're thoroughly outclassed. 

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3 hours ago, kingpotato said:

I know, right? What's the difference between 29 and 35?

they're 35 AT BEST. 6 spots (minimum) is considerable

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On 8/4/2017 at 5:39 PM, Nevada Convert said:

Wow, I guess we'll disagree on everything. :)  

The media didn't like the hire? Who was that? If writers knew how to consistently pick great coaches, they would be making big bucks in consulting. 

OBVIOUSLY, when I or anyone else talks about a new coach that they like, there's the implication that, of course any new hire no matter how good they appear, has a certain level of risk. Norvell wasn't even on my radar during the search because I didn't even hear about him until the very end. I was for the Vandy coach and didn't want Baldwin. 

Bringing in a long time very popular assistant from elite P5 schools with deep recruiting ties to CA and Texas also has the benefit of existing connections that can make the team better immediately. Baldwin would've struggled immensely in recruiting for the first year for sure. He got a lot of his players in western WA. He would need to build new G5 level ties.

So immediately Norvell's connections get him an Alabama starting quality QB for 2 years as a pocket passer and extremely accurate with the long ball. Cornwell is a  Big, tall, durable accurate passer. Gangi is cool, and a good runner but not a potential elite QB that Cornwell could become. Norvell's ties got him some other players we need, as well. 

Then you have a staff that can recruit day 1 with all their ties in CA, a staff that can actually teach & develop players. And a DC that's had success at the med-high P5 level as a DC. 

With the next 7-10 years being so important to the long term future of your program with more conf shifting, you can't afford to wait around 3-5 years to see if your new coach can win. At least at year 2 their needs to be solid progress. A Baldwin wouldn't be able to do that, Norvell gives us a great chance. 

I think our offense will be good, and if the OL learns with good coaching we could be hard to stop. Defense is the big concern, but if player development becomes strong again we could have a pretty respectable D by the end of the season. So I think it's realistic to think we could go 7-5 or 6-6 this year.  It would be a great sign if we could beat 1 of the 3 teams that we'll be dogs to: Toledo, Northwestern and Wazzu. I think it's very possible.

 

We don't disagree on everything, actually many times we see the same thing just from different things. And yes much media across the nation and some locally weren't that hot with the hire, again not saying they are right or wrong because to early for that I was just saying. I think some were looking for a more splashy hire than what came across. In fact a lot of people, and mean a lot of people wanted Baldwin as the new coach of Nevada and many were getting ready to welcome him to Northern Nevada and Norvell was an out of left field pick which I think punched a few in the stomach when it was announced. 

We do disagree on the time giving a coach to turn things around because when you bring in new kids, lose kids and bring in an entirely new system, you are asking a lot for a quick turnaround on any team. Sorry you have to give more than 2 years to see anything and if people are expecting things in less than two years, more often than not those people are going to be disappointed with how things turn out. 

However I think we are going to have many problems this year on both sides of the ball and in turn I think its going to be a long season for Nevada. I think 7-5 or 6-6 is shooting for the stars. I will be very surprised if we do better than 1-3 in OOC play. In MWC play we are going to lose to San Diego St, Boise St, Colorado St and I think Hawaii as well. So that leaves 4 other games which could be toss ups, but with Air Force you never really know, that is a game that is going to relay on defense more than anything else. If we can't stop the option attack on defense that may give us enough of a chance on offense to do something. I think we win 4 games at most this year.

For recruiting i do agree we need to keep our California and west coast ties but at the same time expand out some. For years Nevada has been trying to get into the Texas market for recruiting first with Ault and followed by Polian. I do think that could be another market to help with Nevada recruiting.

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4 hours ago, wolfpack1 said:

We don't disagree on everything, actually many times we see the same thing just from different things. And yes much media across the nation and some locally weren't that hot with the hire, again not saying they are right or wrong because to early for that I was just saying. I think some were looking for a more splashy hire than what came across. In fact a lot of people, and mean a lot of people wanted Baldwin as the new coach of Nevada and many were getting ready to welcome him to Northern Nevada and Norvell was an out of left field pick which I think punched a few in the stomach when it was announced. 

We do disagree on the time giving a coach to turn things around because when you bring in new kids, lose kids and bring in an entirely new system, you are asking a lot for a quick turnaround on any team. Sorry you have to give more than 2 years to see anything and if people are expecting things in less than two years, more often than not those people are going to be disappointed with how things turn out. 

However I think we are going to have many problems this year on both sides of the ball and in turn I think its going to be a long season for Nevada. I think 7-5 or 6-6 is shooting for the stars. I will be very surprised if we do better than 1-3 in OOC play. In MWC play we are going to lose to San Diego St, Boise St, Colorado St and I think Hawaii as well. So that leaves 4 other games which could be toss ups, but with Air Force you never really know, that is a game that is going to relay on defense more than anything else. If we can't stop the option attack on defense that may give us enough of a chance on offense to do something. I think we win 4 games at most this year.

For recruiting i do agree we need to keep our California and west coast ties but at the same time expand out some. For years Nevada has been trying to get into the Texas market for recruiting first with Ault and followed by Polian. I do think that could be another market to help with Nevada recruiting.

Honestly, part of why I like the hire is because Knuth made the call. He went into it a little bit about his search process when they were introducing Norvell at the presser, and that everyone Knuth respected kept bringing up Norvell's name as the guy to grab as an up & coming HC. But there's a lot Knuth didn't tell us about his search, so I just trust the guy. We're so lucky to have an AD that we can totally have confidence in on big and small hires. It was pretty much a 180 when Groth was running things into the ground, and just blaming the bad economy as the big scary Cookie Monster that was behind all of the problems affecting NV athletics (instead of looking at herself, of course is).

It's really so hard to predict what could happen with so many new players, coaches and schemes. My gut is just telling me that Offense will be muuuch improved, and we'll probably struggle on D. But you have to remember, this will be the first season since 2012 where Nevada Football has had a fully capable and qualified HC running the show. That means developing players, that means a better playbook and that means real strategic halftime adjustments that work most of the time. 

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16 hours ago, Nevada Convert said:

Honestly, part of why I like the hire is because Knuth made the call. He went into it a little bit about his search process when they were introducing Norvell at the presser, and that everyone Knuth respected kept bringing up Norvell's name as the guy to grab as an up & coming HC. But there's a lot Knuth didn't tell us about his search, so I just trust the guy. We're so lucky to have an AD that we can totally have confidence in on big and small hires. It was pretty much a 180 when Groth was running things into the ground, and just blaming the bad economy as the big scary Cookie Monster that was behind all of the problems affecting NV athletics (instead of looking at herself, of course is).

It's really so hard to predict what could happen with so many new players, coaches and schemes. My gut is just telling me that Offense will be muuuch improved, and we'll probably struggle on D. But you have to remember, this will be the first season since 2012 where Nevada Football has had a fully capable and qualified HC running the show. That means developing players, that means a better playbook and that means real strategic halftime adjustments that work most of the time. 

I do think money probably paid a part especially with the article that came out today about the finances of Nevada at the fiscal year. Not saying that is a good or bad thing just saying that was probably one part. However again I think people were looking for someone with head coaching experience and instead got another assistant without that experience. Again that is to early to say about Norvell right now because we haven't seen anything yet from him or the team. However with Knuth nice that you trust the guy, but I don't trust anyone in that position as far as I can throw them, and my experience with him since taking over, hasn't really been that good.

But whole thing is we have to wait and see and anything over 4 wins this season I will be pleasantly surprised at.

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On 8/3/2017 at 5:16 PM, baileyake said:

1 Alabama
2 Ohio St
3 Florida St
4 USC
5 Clemson
6 Penn St
7 Washington
8 Oklahoma
9 Michigan
10 Wisconsin
11 Oklahoma St
12 LSU
13 Auburn
14 Stanford
15 Georgia
16 Florida
17 Louisville
18 Miami
19 Kansas St
20 West Virginia
21 USF
22 Virginia Tech
23 Texas
24 Tennessee
25 Utah

Others Receiving Votes

Washington State 99; Colorado 72; TCU 58; Boise State 49; Notre Dame 49; Texas A&M 46; Pittsburgh 45; North Carolina State 39; Oregon 37; Northwestern 25; Nebraska 23; Memphis 22; Arkansas 22; Mississippi State 19; San Diego State 18; Appalachian State 11; Brigham Young 10; Georgia Tech 10; Tulsa 10; Wyoming 9; Western Michigan 8; Temple 8; North Carolina 8; Houston 7; Troy 6; Minnesota 6; Iowa 5; Louisiana Tech 4; Syracuse 3; Arizona 2; Army 1; Colorado State 1; Michigan State 1; Maryland 1; Toledo 1; UCLA 1.

Interesting that Boise State and SDSU are about the same as where they were preseason:

COACHES POLL TOP 25 TEAMS, WEEK 12

RANK TEAM RECORD POINTS 1ST PLACE VOTES PREV CHANGE HI/LOW
1 Alabama 10-0 1575 63 1 0 1/1
2 Miami 9-0 1465 0 6 4 6/18
3 Clemson 9-1 1406 0 4 1 2/8
4 Wisconsin 10-0 1395 0 3 -1 3/12
5 Oklahoma 9-1 1386 0 7 2 3/12
6 Auburn 8-2 1250 0 10 4 10/21
7 Georgia 9-1 1184 0 2 -5 2/15
8 Ohio State 8-2 1076 0 11 3 2/11
9 Notre Dame 8-2 947 0 5 -4 5/NR
10 Southern California 9-2 917 0 14 4 4/21
11 Penn State 8-2 912 0 13 2 2/13
12 Central Florida 9-0 910 0 12 0 12/NR
13 Oklahoma State 8-2 902 0 15 2 7/15
14 Texas Christian 8-2 814 0 9 -5 4/NR
15 Washington 8-2 642 0 8 -7 4/12
16 Washington State 9-2 587 0 20 4 9/NR
17 Memphis 8-1 509 0 19 2 19/NR
18 Michigan 8-2 394 0 22 4 7/25
19 Mississippi State 7-3 373 0 18 -1 18/NR
20 South Florida 8-1 361 0 21 1 13/23
21 Louisiana State 7-3 282 0 25 4 11/NR
22 NC State 7-3 271 0 24 2 15/NR
23 Stanford 7-3 206 0 28 5 14/NR
24 Michigan State 7-3 179 0 16 -8 16/NR
25 West Virginia 7-3 171 0 26 1 20/NR
 
Others Receiving Votes

Virginia Tech 94; Northwestern 67; Arizona 54; Boise State 40; South Carolina 33; Iowa 16; Kentucky 16; Army 14; San Diego State 11; Iowa State 9; Troy 5; Ohio 2.

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On 8/5/2017 at 10:15 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

LOL.  No way this Ute team is better than the 2008 team.

DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!

Same to James, Dre and whoever else called BS on that prediction by Chad and Mano. Utes can thank their lucky stars for having scheduled San Joser or they might not even go bowling this year.

Boom goes the dynamite.

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4 minutes ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!

Same to James, Dre and whoever else called BS on that prediction by Chad and Mano. Utes can thank their lucky stars for having scheduled San Joser or they might not even go bowling this year.

damn, i didn't realize how hard they cratered after that 4-0 start.

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On 8/5/2017 at 1:39 AM, Nevada Convert said:

Notre Dame is damn lucky they don't have Nevada on the schedule this year. 

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