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36 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

ACC isn't going anywhere either.  Especially once the get their network.   

The Big 12, if they attacked West could have a shot.   But the WVU boat anchor makes that hard.   The PAC has some real vulnerabilities.

No one from the Pac is moving to Big 12. 

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1 hour ago, sactowndog said:

ACC isn't going anywhere either.  Especially once the get their network.   

The Big 12, if they attacked West could have a shot.   But the WVU boat anchor makes that hard.   The PAC has some real vulnerabilities.

The ACC has a much better chance of getting pillaged than the PAC does...  hands down.  

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3 hours ago, NorCalCoug said:

TCU, Oklahoma St, Texas Tech, Baylor, Kansas St, Iowa St, and West Virginia

vs.

MWC and AAC

Ummmm, yes, the former is collectively better and more valuable than the latter by a long shot.  Don't pretend to know what I think or see it as.  I don't think the leftovers will keep their P5 status but I'm also not naive enough to think that that group gets picked apart by the likes of the AAC and MWC.  That's just nonsense.  They will have their pick of the MWC/AAC litter not the other way around and in the end, while not considered P5, will be far superior to any G5 conference that's out there today.

 

Yeah. I'm not sure what he's thinking. Must be sniffing glue. Gimme those seven and add Cincinnati, Houston, SDSU, Byu, and Boise, and that's a SOLID conference, and with a few seasons of good results, P5 worthy.

EAST

West Virginia

Iowa State

TCU

Kansas State

Cincinnati

Houston

WEST

Baylor

 CSU (I think Okie State may go as well)

Texas Tech

Boise State

BYU

SDSU

That is a DREAM for Aztecs fans instead of being stuck with the likes of Wyoming and San Suck State in this shithole.

 

 

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16 hours ago, Mano said:

No one in the Pac will be pushing for Fresno and SDSU. It is easy enough to schedule the lesser California schools in the OOC. Pac doesn't expand unless doing so gets the individual schools currently in the Pac significantly more money.

That isn't the reason the Pac will expand. The Pac will expand because all the other power conferences will go to at least 16 and they aren't going to allow the Pac champion an automatic berth in the 8-team playoff unless it does.

But let's be clear. I agree with you the Pac is going to have to be dragged kicking and screaming into adding another 4 and the playoffs aren't going to expand to 8 for another decade at least. Before either happens the B12 will implode and the leftovers will create a new version of the 2010 Big East and struggle like hell to argue they are still at the power level. Of course they won't be but that doesn't mean the conference they put together won't be vastly superior to the revised and further degraded Molehill Worst.

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21 minutes ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

but that doesn't mean the conference they put together won't be vastly superior to the revised and further degraded Molehill Worst.

It'll be MILES above what is left here

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If the Pac were to expand to 16 teams, they would probably switch to an ACC "zipper" type of divisional alignment & 9 game conference schedule (7 divisional games, 1 perm x-div rival and 1 regional x-div game) for football. This format would ensure all teams continue to play in CA as well as the teams in their geographic "pod".

e.g. (using 4 mwc teams to get to 16 -- could have used 4 B12 teams)

Pac: WA, OR St, Cal, USC, AZ St, CU, SDSU, UNM

West: WA St, OR, Stanford, UCLA, AZ, UT, HAWAII, UNLV

Washington would play all the teams in its' div (OR St, Cal, USC, SDSU, AZ St, CU & UNM), x-div rival would be WA St & regional x-div would be Oregon.

In this example, Washington would have 3 games vs CA teams & still have all their regional rivalries vs WA St, OR & OR St.

Every 2 Years the divisions would alternate:

Pac: WA, OR, Cal, UCLA, AZ St, UT, Hawaii, UNM

West: WA St, OR St, Stanford, USC, AZ, CU, SDSU, UNLV

Washington would still have 2 games vs CA teams, still play all the teams in its region - but has exchanged the additional CA game for a game @ Hawaii & the opportunity for a week "0" home game & whatever revenue or exposure that comes with it..

2 years later the divisions would shift again so that team will have played every other conference member ... this would mean that teams that have not played in Las Vegas like WA & Cal would now have UNLV on their schedule.

If it helps, you can substitute Houston, TX Tech, KS St &/or IA St in place of any or all of SDSU, Hawaii UNLV &/or UNM.

For Basketball (and other Oly Sports) ... it would be an 18 game conference schedule in which each team would play it's regional teams 2x (6 games) and the other 12 teams 1x.

Again using Washington as an example, they would play WA St, OR & OR St both home and away, while playing all other teams either home or away ... (Cal at home and Stanford on the road, USC at home and UCLA on the Road etc.)

In the above example, this would put SDSU, UNLV, UNM & Hawaii in a "region". 

 

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11 hours ago, sactowndog said:

ACC isn't going anywhere either.  Especially once the get their network.   

The Big 12, if they attacked West could have a shot.   But the WVU boat anchor makes that hard.   The PAC has some real vulnerabilities.

Unless the city of Los Angeles (and the Bay area too), move from the West Coast to Kansas, there really isn't that much concern.

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8 hours ago, HighNTight_SD said:

If the Pac were to expand to 16 teams, they would probably switch to an ACC "zipper" type of divisional alignment & 9 game conference schedule (7 divisional games, 1 perm x-div rival and 1 regional x-div game) for football. This format would ensure all teams continue to play in CA as well as the teams in their geographic "pod".

e.g. (using 4 mwc teams to get to 16 -- could have used 4 B12 teams)

Pac: WA, OR St, Cal, USC, AZ St, CU, SDSU, UNM

West: WA St, OR, Stanford, UCLA, AZ, UT, HAWAII, UNLV

Washington would play all the teams in its' div (OR St, Cal, USC, SDSU, AZ St, CU & UNM), x-div rival would be WA St & regional x-div would be Oregon.

In this example, Washington would have 3 games vs CA teams & still have all their regional rivalries vs WA St, OR & OR St.

Every 2 Years the divisions would alternate:

Pac: WA, OR, Cal, UCLA, AZ St, UT, Hawaii, UNM

West: WA St, OR St, Stanford, USC, AZ, CU, SDSU, UNLV

Washington would still have 2 games vs CA teams, still play all the teams in its region - but has exchanged the additional CA game for a game @ Hawaii & the opportunity for a week "0" home game & whatever revenue or exposure that comes with it..

2 years later the divisions would shift again so that team will have played every other conference member ... this would mean that teams that have not played in Las Vegas like WA & Cal would now have UNLV on their schedule.

If it helps, you can substitute Houston, TX Tech, KS St &/or IA St in place of any or all of SDSU, Hawaii UNLV &/or UNM.

For Basketball (and other Oly Sports) ... it would be an 18 game conference schedule in which each team would play it's regional teams 2x (6 games) and the other 12 teams 1x.

Again using Washington as an example, they would play WA St, OR & OR St both home and away, while playing all other teams either home or away ... (Cal at home and Stanford on the road, USC at home and UCLA on the Road etc.)

In the above example, this would put SDSU, UNLV, UNM & Hawaii in a "region". 

 

I don't think you paid attention to the last realignment process.  The four California teams are staying together or they are taking their ball and going elsewhere.   

if you Zipper and split CA, then you have 7 games in division and the CA schools play each other and that's means the other teams go once.  And no they aren't ever rotating off one another.   

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3 minutes ago, MrBug708 said:

Unless the city of Los Angeles (and the Bay area too), move from the West Coast to Kansas, there really isn't that much concern.

Well it's certainly just opinion but if you took BYU, Boise, Fresno and SDSU and UNLV I'm guessing you could pull a big chunk of CA viewership.   

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8 hours ago, sactowndog said:

Well it's certainly just opinion but if you took BYU, Boise, Fresno and SDSU and UNLV I'm guessing you could pull a big chunk of CA viewership.   

Good luck with that.

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38 minutes ago, Mano said:

Good luck with that.

Yeah well I'm guessing it will never have a chance of being proven.  

But living in the Red State Central Valley, I can tell you nothing is further away from what this part of CA represents than what you see in Berkeley.  Being on a level playing field to compete would have enormous emotional appeal for a large chunk of the state. 

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On 6/3/2017 at 5:48 PM, madeinhawaii said:

It's NOT an extra game. They can move a game forward and open up a bye week.  Any opponent they choose can start that week early with them. Benefits both teams.

 

 

It is because they cant move a game to that weekend unless they are playing a 13th (ie, EXTRA) game.  Otherwise everybody would be moving games there simply for the extra bye week.  CSU, BYU, SJSU are 1A teams hosting week 0 games and making trips to Hawaii this year...because they chose to schedule a 13th game.  The two exceptions for week 0/13th game are UMass (and that's because they are hosting Hawaii on week 0) and Stanford/Rice (because its taking place in Australia).  Those exceptions are also part of the rule.  Note SDSU and Fresno -   Based on your interpretation, both could move games to week 0 (and both have games that could be moved).  But they chose not to schedule a 13th game so that option is not available.

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We must in the doldrums of Summer... to be discussing this Warbow realignment post.  Carry on & enjoy it for what it is... a chance to speculate & share our ignorance TOGETHER.

How wonderful !!!!!!!!!!!   :)

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20 hours ago, sactowndog said:

I don't think you paid attention to the last realignment process.  The four California teams are staying together or they are taking their ball and going elsewhere.   

if you Zipper and split CA, then you have 7 games in division and the CA schools play each other and that's means the other teams go once.  And no they aren't ever rotating off one another.   

I'm pretty sure the CA schools playing each other is covered in the "zipper" approach to divisions. Cal & Stanford are permanent x-div rivals, as are USC & UCLA.

The 4 CA schools would make up a "region" (like the 4 Pacific NW schools) so whichever CA schools that are not in the same div or permanent rivals will be covered with the "regional x-div" game.

As it stands now the 4 CA schools are in different divisions and all 4 continue to play each other every year -- that has been preserved.

Any expansion to 16 would have an effect on the number of games all non-CA teams have in CA ... whether 2 divisions, 4 pods or zippered. 

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2 hours ago, HighNTight_SD said:

I'm pretty sure the CA schools playing each other is covered in the "zipper" approach to divisions. Cal & Stanford are permanent x-div rivals, as are USC & UCLA.

The 4 CA schools would make up a "region" (like the 4 Pacific NW schools) so whichever CA schools that are not in the same div or permanent rivals will be covered with the "regional x-div" game.

As it stands now the 4 CA schools are in different divisions and all 4 continue to play each other every year -- that has been preserved.

Any expansion to 16 would have an effect on the number of games all non-CA teams have in CA ... whether 2 divisions, 4 pods or zippered. 

So explain how they each play each other every year without fail and the teams still have access to Ca? 

Im not even accounting for the PAC-8 wanting to stay together. 

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38 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

So explain how they each play each other every year without fail and the teams still have access to Ca? 

Im not even accounting for the PAC-8 wanting to stay together. 

So ... using the previous example of a 9 game conference schedule with 7 divisional games and 2 x-div games:

Pac: WA, OR St, Cal, USC, AZ St, CU, SDSU, UNM

West: WA St, OR, Stanford, UCLA, AZ, UT, HAWAII, UNLV

Cal has their perm x-div rival as Stanford -- add 7 division games (of which USC is one) the remaining x-div game will be the remaining regional team, which in this case is UCLA.

2 years later the divisions are reconfigured:

Pac: WA, OR, Cal, UCLA, AZ St, UT, Hawaii, UNM

West: WA St, OR St, Stanford, USC, AZ, CU, SDSU, UNLV

Cal still has their perm x-div rival Stanford -- this time UCLA is a divisional game and the remaining regional x-div is USC.

The zipper can continually be shuffled until all conference team have played each other ... but the basic premise is that there will always be at least 2 CA teams in each division and that all teams in a region will play each other every year (Pac NW, CA, AZ/UT/CO, & the +4).

It is doubtful that there is any equitable division of a 16 team conference that will allow the original Pac-8 to form a division and lock the other division out of CA.

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Someone is smoking crack.

As long as the Pac-12 Network is 100% owned and making a profit for the schools, the desire to expand isn't quite there.  Suppose Larry Scott's gamble (100% P12N ownership) pays off (it's looking better than a year or two ago), the incentive to expand will not be there.

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13 hours ago, HighNTight_SD said:

So ... using the previous example of a 9 game conference schedule with 7 divisional games and 2 x-div games:

Pac: WA, OR St, Cal, USC, AZ St, CU, SDSU, UNM

West: WA St, OR, Stanford, UCLA, AZ, UT, HAWAII, UNLV

Cal has their perm x-div rival as Stanford -- add 7 division games (of which USC is one) the remaining x-div game will be the remaining regional team, which in this case is UCLA.

2 years later the divisions are reconfigured:

Pac: WA, OR, Cal, UCLA, AZ St, UT, Hawaii, UNM

West: WA St, OR St, Stanford, USC, AZ, CU, SDSU, UNLV

Cal still has their perm x-div rival Stanford -- this time UCLA is a divisional game and the remaining regional x-div is USC.

The zipper can continually be shuffled until all conference team have played each other ... but the basic premise is that there will always be at least 2 CA teams in each division and that all teams in a region will play each other every year (Pac NW, CA, AZ/UT/CO, & the +4).

It is doubtful that there is any equitable division of a 16 team conference that will allow the original Pac-8 to form a division and lock the other division out of CA.

Right but your year 2 the remaining x-div will always be CA-CA.  This locks out anyone except the two teams in division.  So you get to Northern CA every other years .  Same for Southern CA, a team comes every other year which is a decline   Today they get an annual visit to either NorCal (north) or SoCal (south). And a once every four years to SoCal (North) and NorCal (South).   

So total CA visits fall from 5 to 4.  Do you think Washington and Oregon will agree to further decline?

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The fate of the PAC 12 and Texas was decided before the PAC 12 was formed.  Only the SEC or Big Ten can offer Texas an improved situation and the SEC also has a contract with ESPN.

the PAC 12 is far more likely to schedule all FBS to improve the leagues national perception or to contract if money really becomes  important.  a round robin nine game conference schedule is a great thing.

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