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2 hours ago, HighNTight_SD said:

Recruiting is indeed important -- ratings, not so much.

 

In Theory, I agree with some of what you're saying here (I appreciate the principle you're harkening on)...

BUT, as part of a bigger TREND, you are FOOL'IN yourself if you don't think this is Significant...

Again, these recruiting Rankings need to be viewed within the greater scope of Available Data.

With what we have seen in the RPI, Massey Ratings, NFL Draft figures (most notably the # of High Draft Choices), even Television Ratings (which feeds recruiting)..

All of that data is saying the Same Thing... IN CONCERT...

And the arrow on the decibel scale is leaning heavily one way (....and its not the MWC)

There really isn't much of a comparison between the conferences (AAC to MWC).

I dare say the MWC needs to be looking at challenges/games/bowls with MAC football, CUSA football, and Sunbelt football in the future...

Similar to the relationship you have in Basketball with the Missouri Valley Conference..

THAT is where you need to find your foothold and try to find some pockets of separation with those guys.

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28 minutes ago, MAD MACGYVER said:

NLI signing date is February 7th, with an early signing date from December 20-22. Don't count your chickens before they've hatched.

Do you really believe a significant number of MWC teams will leapfrog AAC teams??

 

To put this into perspective... Boise State has a HUGE lead over most MWC schools and they don't get higher than 12th on the AAC list!

So, what needs to happen is there needs to be a steady flow of 3-4 star commits, and that spigot needs to be on blast..

Meanwhile the AAC will continue recruiting too.

Boise may make a modest jump but you're really overestimating how much work can be done to bridge the Grand Canyon.

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1 hour ago, FormerFrog said:

I think you need to realize that Houston's real "bowl" games last year were OU and Louisville.

In Las Vegas, that team really didn't go into the game with anything to prove. They were waiting to find out who their new coach would be.

If they would've somehow got through it with a win, great... but they still wouldn't be looking back on the LV bowl as the signature game(s) of their season.

Those were already in the bag. 

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Again, I would be saying that as a AAC fan if the MWC champ left my best team's asshole as gaping as SDSU left Houston's.

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8 minutes ago, k5james said:

Again, I would be saying that as a AAC fan if the MWC champ left my best team's asshole as gaping as SDSU left Houston's.

 

You'd like to think so but people who follow that league knew that Herman took half the staff to Austin. 

San Diego State can try to enjoy that win... but its tantamount to enjoying soggy oatmeal.

Navy is the team that really has bragging rights over Houston last year. That win meant something.

Houston has bragging rights over OU and Louisville. Those wins were high stakes poker as well.

The LV game was the end of the season. One game closer to finding out who the new coach would be.

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10 minutes ago, FormerFrog said:

Do you really believe a significant number of MWC teams will leapfrog AAC teams??

 

To put this into perspective... Boise State has a HUGE lead over most MWC schools and they don't get higher than 12th on the AAC list!

So, what needs to happen is there needs to be a steady flow of 3-4 star commits, and that spigot needs to be on blast..

Meanwhile the AAC will continue recruiting too.

Boise may make a modest jump but you're really overestimating how much work can be done to bridge the Grand Canyon.

As of today, 6 AUG, the average AAC team on has, on average, 17.3 commits versus 6.3 for the MWC teams. Gotta do better FF

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14 minutes ago, FormerFrog said:

 

You'd like to think so but people who follow that league knew that Herman took half the staff to Austin. 

San Diego State can try to enjoy that win... but its tantamount to enjoying soggy oatmeal.

Navy is the team that really has bragging rights over Houston last year. That win meant something.

Houston has bragging rights over OU and Louisville. Those wins were high stakes poker as well.

The LV game was the end of the season. One game closer to finding out who the new coach would be.

 

Houston's loss to SMU offset those two high stakes poker wins.  They had potentially a golden ticket to at least a NY6 game (if not the CFP), and pissed it away.  UgH is more like it.

 

And Tom Herman leaving prior to the bowl game was weak.  He should have coached in it before moving on.

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3 hours ago, MAD MACGYVER said:

NLI signing date is February 7th, with an early signing date from December 20-22. Don't count your chickens before they've hatched.

 

Yes, BUT it can also go the other way, and get even worse..

Didn't Kazmeir Allen just decommit from Boise? 

You guys had been on him for a long time. Is Harsin just not connecting?

For the extra revenue Boise gets, he better be. 

I wouldn't be surprised if Tulane's Willie Fritz outperforms Boise's Harsin. It looks like he's already doing it on the recruiting trail.

Hell, Harsin isn't even the best college coach in Idaho.

If the conference is going to spend heavy on Boise, these are important things to notice

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8 minutes ago, FormerFrog said:

 

Yes, BUT it can also go the other way, and get even worse..

Didn't Kazmeir Allen just decommit from Boise? 

You guys had been on him for a long time. Is Harsin just not connecting?

For the extra revenue Boise gets, he better be. 

I wouldn't be surprised if Tulane's Willie Fritz outperforms Boise's Harsin. It looks like he's already doing it on the recruiting trail.

Hell, Harsin isn't even the best college coach in Idaho.

If the conference is going to spend heavy on Boise, these are important things to notice

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Aww is that the best you can do? 

Kazmeir Allen did decommit, and in return, we got to RBs in Andrew Van Buren and Zidane Thomas. I like 2 for 1 trades.  What else you got big guy?

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망치를 가진 남자에게는, 모든것이 못처럼 보인다.

원숭이도 나무에서 떨어진다.

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18 minutes ago, MAD MACGYVER said:

Aww is that the best you can do? 

Kazmeir Allen did decommit, and in return, we got to RBs in Andrew Van Buren and Zidane Thomas. I like 2 for 1 trades.  What else you got big guy?

Just sayin..

Willie Fritz has a better class than Harsin at this point. It's not out of the question that Tulane finishes with the higher ranked class.

I like what Boise accomplished once upon a time but the "cyclical" argument is more germane to individual programs than it is to conferences.

Do you think conference affiliation is having any influence on Kazmeir Allen's decision to look around?

 

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51 minutes ago, FormerFrog said:

Just sayin..

Willie Fritz has a better class than Harsin at this point. It's not out of the question that Tulane finishes with the higher ranked class.

I like what Boise accomplished once upon a time but the "cyclical" argument is more germane to individual programs than it is to conferences.

Do you think conference affiliation is having any influence on Kazmeir Allen's decision to look around?

 

The NLI is months away, and nothing is won in the first week of August. Up to this point Vanderbilt has a better class than Alabama, should Bama be concerned?  Should Saban be wringing his hands in worry and doubt? FFS

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Allen got offered by Cal, which he himself described as his "dream school." Many athletes decommit from a school once their preferred choice becomes available. This isn't uncommon.  Additionally, considering Cal has been flaming dog shit for most of this decade means Allen is likely more concerned with the school itself rather than the conference.  

"once upon a time" as if 2014 was long, long ago.  Jesus H Christ.  

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망치를 가진 남자에게는, 모든것이 못처럼 보인다.

원숭이도 나무에서 떨어진다.

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8 hours ago, MAD MACGYVER said:

The NLI is months away, and nothing is won in the first week of August. Up to this point Vanderbilt has a better class than Alabama, should Bama be concerned?  Should Saban be wringing his hands in worry and doubt? FFS

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Allen got offered by Cal, which he himself described as his "dream school." Many athletes decommit from a school once their preferred choice becomes available. This isn't uncommon.  Additionally, considering Cal has been flaming dog shit for most of this decade means Allen is likely more concerned with the school itself rather than the conference.  

"once upon a time" as if 2014 was long, long ago.  Jesus H Christ.  

 

There are always going to be anomalies but for the most part the current recruiting ratings reflect a rough sketch of how the distribution will settle in.

That being said.... WHAT HAS CHANGED SINCE 2014?

A Hell of a lot, imo.

I believe that's when the American welcomed Navy aboard and the other call-ups.Programs going to other conferences, like Louisville, have also transformed into better programs.

Those teams have invested more since 2014 than they have in their athletics histories. 

The MWC may be performing like it always has.

But the landscape has been changing around the conference while the MWC programs have comfortably sat on their collective bums.

It's too late to do anything about it now. A stigma has overtaken the conference brand. The MWC REALLY needs to spend but the revenue isn't there to power such a reaction. It doesn't appear that anyone wants to fund a better MWC. The returns that they'd get are minimal because the conference reputation has eroded.  

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Since the MWC-MVC Challenge started in 2009, a quarter of the teams on both sides (BYU, Utah, TCU, Wichita State, Creighton) have left for greener pastures.

The MWC and the MVC aren't what they once were but have been good partners throughout the upheaval, supplying some valued opponents when its becoming increasingly difficult to schedule.

The issue of basketball scheduling is getting to be more and more concerning for MWC basketball.

Other conferences have multiple Challenges, wouldn't it behoove the MWC to start a second basketball challenge? 

Perhaps with the CUSA, the Big West, or the WCC?

CUSA and the MWC have a history of working together. In the current environment, the idea of more cross-promotion would be a good thing. Even if you don't call it "the Alliance". Anything to broaden viewership and exposure for the brand is ideal. CUSA also has similar basketball tradition (with WKU, Charlotte, ODU, UTEP - former National Champs, etc).  

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3 hours ago, FormerFrog said:

 

There are always going to be anomalies but for the most part the current recruiting ratings reflect a rough sketch of how the distribution will settle in.

That being said.... WHAT HAS CHANGED SINCE 2014?

A Hell of a lot, imo.

I believe that's when the American welcomed Navy aboard and the other call-ups.Programs going to other conferences, like Louisville, have also transformed into better programs.

Those teams have invested more since 2014 than they have in their athletics histories. 

The MWC may be performing like it always has.

But the landscape has been changing around the conference while the MWC programs have comfortably sat on their collective bums.

It's too late to do anything about it now. A stigma has overtaken the conference brand. The MWC REALLY needs to spend but the revenue isn't there to power such a reaction. It doesn't appear that anyone wants to fund a better MWC. The returns that they'd get are minimal because the conference reputation has eroded.  

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망치를 가진 남자에게는, 모든것이 못처럼 보인다.

원숭이도 나무에서 떨어진다.

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15 hours ago, FormerFrog said:

Do you really believe a significant number of MWC teams will leapfrog AAC teams??

 

To put this into perspective... Boise State has a HUGE lead over most MWC schools and they don't get higher than 12th on the AAC list!

So, what needs to happen is there needs to be a steady flow of 3-4 star commits, and that spigot needs to be on blast..

Meanwhile the AAC will continue recruiting too.

Boise may make a modest jump but you're really overestimating how much work can be done to bridge the Grand Canyon.

AAC # of commits = 220

MW # of commits = 74

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16 hours ago, k5james said:

Again, I would be saying that as a AAC fan if the MWC champ left my best team's asshole as gaping as SDSU left Houston's.

houston finished 6th in the AAC, and was without its coach and 4 coaching assistants. who Herman took with him to texas...grad assstants coaced that game...

 

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23 hours ago, FormerFrog said:

For those of you who PREDICT the MWC will someday become a better FB conference than the AAC (i.e. fanhood, edluvar, etc)...

The current recruiting rankings are devastating.

The current 11th place AAC recruiting program, UCONN, has 101.02 recruiting points. That would put them atop the MWC.

http://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CompositeTeamRankings?Conference=AAC

IN CONTRAST, the current #1 ranked MWC recruiting program, Boise State, has 100.53 recruiting points. (That would put them 2nd to last in the American.)

http://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CompositeTeamRankings?Conference=M-West

BYU has 161.46 points. That's around the 2 position in the American.

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And the price of tea in China... isn't that also extremely relevant to your positional arguments?  Look at the scoreboard chump.

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Bragging about 2018 recruiting right now is like a freshman bragging about his physical endowment before his first gym class  and first shower room welcome to reality. Let's just say he rightfully earned the namec"shorty." Proof is in the pudding. Prove it on the field- what's the bowl record? 

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12 minutes ago, SDDean said:

Bragging about 2018 recruiting right now is like a freshman bragging about his physical endowment before his first gym class  and first shower room welcome to reality. Let's just say he rightfully earned the namec"shorty." Proof is in the pudding. Prove it on the field- what's the bowl record? 

 

 

 

 

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망치를 가진 남자에게는, 모든것이 못처럼 보인다.

원숭이도 나무에서 떨어진다.

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