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14 minutes ago, VandalBasher said:

Yay!  Playing Southern Utah and Northern Colorado is going to do wonders for recruiting and home game attendance.

First of all, condolences.

It might or it might be a good thing for recruiting.  Looking up the Big Sky, Idaho St, EWC and Montana seem like good draws.  There are schools in good recruiting areas like Sac ST, UC davis, Northern AZ.  You got Portland St so a bigger city.  cal poly is in the middle of CA but Hawaii plays them in non football, no complaints and occasionally out of conf football.  

Anyways there are pros and cons. Biggest psychologically is not having much chance to ever be on the national stage or in a nationally televised Bowl game.  That is the biggest source of anguish for me when there was stupid talk about Hawaii going to FCS.  Problem for us is the Big Sky travel wise would not be any cheaper and we would drop football.

So for a guy like yourself who loves sports and wants others to notice your favorite team, I feel you man.  Like being on Sportscenter.  That hurts.  Feels empty.

For Hawaii non-football, the Big West has been alright.  We had two sold out (10K) conference games (Long Beach st) and I forget the other opponent last season.  It takes some time for our fans to get used to, but winning even against Big west teams stirred a lot of interest among the local and alums. But apples and oranges I guess bc the Big West has a NCAA tourney bid and some games get on national tv but still a step down name recognition wise from WAC teams.

Anyways, just trying to help you feel better.  I'm sadden if you guys leave FBS but if the unfortunate happens, it think things won't be as bad (not like if Hawaii dropped down, we would drop football).  

In the WAC days, I traveled to Moscow in 2007 to watch Hawaii play the Vandals.  I enjoyed your town.  Bought beer at the Foods Co and ate Hawaiian food at your L&L.  Drank in the Kibbie Dome parking lot.  I think it's terrible what happened with conference realignment.  I wish the WAC would have survived instead of the MWC.  At least a couple years ago, I didn't feel like some of the schools like us in this conference (behind closed doors). There is a feeling of cultural distance.  Go Vandals!  Dont go down without a fight.

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I'd be ok with Idaho (and say, NMSU) coming into the MW if they get no conference revenue....we are all more like Idaho financially in our athletics departments than we'd like to be, so we can't share even our pennies right now.....sorry, all 3 branches of government say "the poor are 'on their own' "....well...starting Inauguration Day, anyway.

Welcome to America, Vandals.  The people, I mean, the electoral college has spoken. ;)

Maybe CBSSports and ESPN will agree to give MW the same amount MAC/Sunbelt/CUSA members get to give to you as your share of MW revenue???....but we cannot share the pool-A, pool-B and NCAAT revenues.....sorry.....but at least Vandals and NewMaggs won't be FCS or Indy.  It would be a "GREAT TERRIFIC DEAL".

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On ‎12‎/‎29‎/‎2016 at 9:23 PM, FormerFrog said:

The Vandals drubbing of Colorado State revealed how much the MWC needs the strength they could provide.

It's dumb to keep them out with all the dogs in this conference taking up space.

The MWC has no market shares... The MWC has a bunch of teams in undesirable time zones... The MWC has a lot of RPI drags..

At least Idaho gives the conference a legit football program... and they are the Flagship of their state.

Look at these Massey Ratings and see how much they'd help the MWC's profile.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

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Why are you always here if you hate the MWC so much? I grant you we have some bottom feeders but by and large we generally have at least 5 good teams each year. There are few conferences in the G5 who are better except perhaps for the AAC and they are pathetic in post season. So much so that they fritter away any and all credit they have gained during the regular season. Which generally makes them look quite overrated.

Surely you could visit the website of the Big Sky, Pack12  or Big 12 more often and ours less so.

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On 12/30/2016 at 11:25 PM, Spazdog said:

Not interested in bringing the Vandals into the conference at all.  They bring nothing.  They have laughable facilites, lack funding, and play to a sparse home crowd.  Their history features an average of about 3 win each season since they began playing football way back when.  This year they have a winning season and now, not surprisingly, we should ignore all this and welcome them with open arms.

It's no secret, I am not a fan of the Vandals.  I'm an old guy and have had too many extremely unpleasant experiences with their fans (okay, frat boys) in Bronco Stadium. 

Attention:  BSU/Idaho "frat boy" victim story alert!

Please, fantasy lover/drama queen, tell us what happened (choose one):

  • Frat boy pushed mom down the stairs (in an elevator)
  • Dumped a beer on me (at a dry stadium)
  • Dumped a beer on my freshman daughter (who chugs Boone's Strawberry Hill when I'm not around)
  • Disrespected my wife (some call it Amtrack, I call it the train....)
  • Ganged up on me (I was alone in a handicapped bathroom)
  • Threw a piss-bomb on me (laughed and yelled "I'm VP97, bitch" as he threw it)
  • Manufactured fake frat boy story to play victim card (as taught on BroncoCountry)

Just pick your fake ass story and let us know.

 

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On 12/29/2016 at 6:23 PM, FormerFrog said:

The Vandals drubbing of Colorado State revealed how much the MWC needs the strength they could provide.

It's dumb to keep them out with all the dogs in this conference taking up space.

The MWC has no market shares... The MWC has a bunch of teams in undesirable time zones... The MWC has a lot of RPI drags..

At least Idaho gives the conference a legit football program... and they are the Flagship of their state.

Look at these Massey Ratings and see how much they'd help the MWC's profile.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

 

If everyone got what they deserved in College football BSU would have been in the PAC 12 in front of Utah or BSU would have been in the Big 12 in front of TCU.

What morons like you don't show is DUI only attracts 3K paying fans a game.   They have had one mediocre year in the last 20.   They will not compete even in d2 where they at least can save some Idaho state education money by not having to subsidize their sports programs so much.

 

 

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19 hours ago, VandalPride97 said:

Attention:  BSU/Idaho "frat boy" victim story alert!

Please, fantasy lover/drama queen, tell us what happened (choose one):

  • Frat boy pushed mom down the stairs (in an elevator)
  • Dumped a beer on me (at a dry stadium)
  • Dumped a beer on my freshman daughter (who chugs Boone's Strawberry Hill when I'm not around)
  • Disrespected my wife (some call it Amtrack, I call it the train....)
  • Ganged up on me (I was alone in a handicapped bathroom)
  • Threw a piss-bomb on me (laughed and yelled "I'm VP97, bitch" as he threw it)
  • Manufactured fake frat boy story to play victim card (as taught on BroncoCountry)

Just pick your fake ass story and let us know.

 

The truth hurts.  I'm an old guy and have attended every BSU/Idaho game in Bronco Stadium since 1976.  Every. Single. One.  Never left early...

It was before the Vandal streak.  At the time, our season tickets were one row down from the student section.  The student section stretched pretty much across the lower east section of the stadium.  As was the case back then, a number of Vandal students attired in their Vandal colors were flat out blitzed and seated in the BSU student section.  One group of frat boys sat almost directly in front of us.  One was to the point of getting sick.  The kid opens his mouth and sticks his finger to his throat making himself blow all over the fans located in the seats in front of him.  His frat boy buddies busted out laughing and did the same.  Today, that would be assault or worse.  Back then, it was only an early escort out of the stadium.

Up to that point, I thought the banter between the two schools was just that, banter.  Since then, I loathe everything about that school in the 83843.  I won't voluntarily support anything having to do with the U of I. Nothing.

VP97, there are times when you seem sincere.  Just about the time I begin to feel a sintilla of respect for you, you come across as a real %$#@!  

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During the bowl game the announcer noted that Idaho said they can't afford to compete at the FBS level anymore. So if they can't afford it then it doesn't make sense to invite them. 415Hawaiiboy is right, the Big Sky is a geographical fit for Idaho. And I think they'll do really well there from the start.

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18 hours ago, Spazdog said:

The truth hurts.  I'm an old guy and have attended every BSU/Idaho game in Bronco Stadium since 1976.  Every. Single. One.  Never left early...

It was before the Vandal streak.  At the time, our season tickets were one row down from the student section.  The student section stretched pretty much across the lower east section of the stadium.  As was the case back then, a number of Vandal students attired in their Vandal colors were flat out blitzed and seated in the BSU student section.  One group of frat boys sat almost directly in front of us.  One was to the point of getting sick.  The kid opens his mouth and sticks his finger to his throat making himself blow all over the fans located in the seats in front of him.  His frat boy buddies busted out laughing and did the same.  Today, that would be assault or worse.  Back then, it was only an early escort out of the stadium.

Up to that point, I thought the banter between the two schools was just that, banter.  Since then, I loathe everything about that school in the 83843.  I won't voluntarily support anything having to do with the U of I. Nothing.

VP97, there are times when you seem sincere.  Just about the time I begin to feel a sintilla of respect for you, you come across as a real %$#@!  

Oh no!

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On 12/31/2016 at 8:37 AM, FresnoFanatic said:

I'd be ok with Idaho (and say, NMSU) coming into the MW if they get no conference revenue....we are all more like Idaho financially in our athletics departments than we'd like to be, so we can't share even our pennies right now.....sorry, all 3 branches of government say "the poor are 'on their own' "....well...starting Inauguration Day, anyway.

Welcome to America, Vandals.  The people, I mean, the electoral college has spoken. ;)

Maybe CBSSports and ESPN will agree to give MW the same amount MAC/Sunbelt/CUSA members get to give to you as your share of MW revenue???....but we cannot share the pool-A, pool-B and NCAAT revenues.....sorry.....but at least Vandals and NewMaggs won't be FCS or Indy.  It would be a "GREAT TERRIFIC DEAL".

I have long been a proponent of Idaho offering to forego conference revenue with the MWC until we get our crap together as far as facilities and competitiveness go.  It's unrealistic for any Idaho fan to think a conference is going to welcome a loss.  It's a matter of basic reason.   Honestly, the revenue isn't a ton of money in the grand scheme of things.  Basically another P5 game.

 

19 hours ago, Spazdog said:

The truth hurts.  I'm an old guy and have attended every BSU/Idaho game in Bronco Stadium since 1976.  Every. Single. One.  Never left early...

It was before the Vandal streak.  At the time, our season tickets were one row down from the student section.  The student section stretched pretty much across the lower east section of the stadium.  As was the case back then, a number of Vandal students attired in their Vandal colors were flat out blitzed and seated in the BSU student section.  One group of frat boys sat almost directly in front of us.  One was to the point of getting sick.  The kid opens his mouth and sticks his finger to his throat making himself blow all over the fans located in the seats in front of him.  His frat boy buddies busted out laughing and did the same.  Today, that would be assault or worse.  Back then, it was only an early escort out of the stadium.

Up to that point, I thought the banter between the two schools was just that, banter.  Since then, I loathe everything about that school in the 83843.  I won't voluntarily support anything having to do with the U of I. Nothing.

VP97, there are times when you seem sincere.  Just about the time I begin to feel a sintilla of respect for you, you come across as a real %$#@!  

I'm sincere when I call BS on some of these "frat boy" stories I hear.  Maybe yours is true, but very few of them are.  I lived in a fraternity in the early 90's and it was the party house on campus.  I've seen a lot of stupid stuff and I've seen a lot of people do a host of bizarre things.  The notion of someone intentionally making themself throw up is absurd to me, but not entirely out of the question.  The notion of several people doing the same thing intentionally is just silly. 

 

18 hours ago, crixus said:

During the bowl game the announcer noted that Idaho said they can't afford to compete at the FBS level anymore. So if they can't afford it then it doesn't make sense to invite them. 415Hawaiiboy is right, the Big Sky is a geographical fit for Idaho. And I think they'll do really well there from the start.

Can't afford is the excuse; won't afford it is the reality.  Idaho can afford it no problem, the administration just doesn't want to pay.  It's so frustrating. 

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On 12/30/2016 at 11:12 PM, VandalBasher said:

Yay!  Playing Southern Utah and Northern Colorado is going to do wonders for recruiting and home game attendance.

They did alright before when they were in  1AA.  They have plenty of playoff appearances.  

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