NDSU to MWC....wheres the Invite?

[SDSUfan]

53 minutes ago, VandalPride97 said:

Interesting news, we just hired Collegiate Consulting to explore pretty much everything we have discussed.  They've done various studies for tons of schools all over the country, including some MWC schools like USU, Wyoming, Air Force, New Mexico and Colorado State.  No word yet on a literacy study at BSU.  Maybe if they come back to our prez and say, "your options really suck unless you invest $__ million to improve and expand facilities," it will get our president off his azz. 

 

 

You can't build a TV market. You're in the void, the depopulated abyss.  In the old days, you'd be on the part of the map annotated "Thar Be Dragons".  You're so remote you can't even be considered flyover country because no one actually flies over you.  Give up.  We neither want nor do we need another backwater, 3rd rate crapfest of a program in the MWC.  [gratuitous shot] We already have Wyoming and UNM.[/gratuitous shot]  We've done our part.

[SalinasSpartan]

1 hour ago, Jack Bauer said:

 

The ACC is way more stable than the Big 12.  The Big 12 is more likely to be torn asunder.  I think the Big 12 is dead man walking.

Definitely agree about the ACC and Big 12. The ACC is in a position where they could survive losing 2-4 schools to the B1G and SEC. Sure, they wouldn't be as good, but they would still exist. If the Big 12 loses 2-4 schools to those conferences then the PAC 12 could jump in and add another 2-4 schools and basically kill the conference. 

[Slapdad]

On 12/23/2015 at 1:19 AM, babigos said:

You left out the most important stat - your market it tiny, which means you add nothing in terms of TV revenue to the MW. That's all that matters these days.

Market size means nothing if you don't have a presence in it. 

[VandalPride97]

47 minutes ago, Jack Bauer said:

So say they recommend you drop.  Do you see the fanbase staying the same, or does it just dissipate?  Budget stays the same or goes down?  

What would it take to get the fanbase energized to support the program better and raise the several million dollars required to get your stadium rennovated?

In my opinion, which I think is shared by a vast majority of alumni, we need to start with winning, then work on a "Get to the Game" campaign throughout the area.  I even recommended a marketing company to the president, but he's been inundated with alumni emails and I highly doubt mine is on his mind.  I also suggested that he announce that we are going to try indy for 2 years minimum, but the alumni need to step up the $$$ so we can make facilities progress.  I have no doubt that the University can generate the $$$ based on how many successful capital campaigns we have completed for non-athletic purposes.  There would also need to be a bonded portion, but I don't think we should be reckless with the school's credit.  

So basically, my answer is: (i) start winning; (ii) full court press on community attendance; (iii) tell the alumni to put up some $ for what they want.   

[babs]

18 minutes ago, Slapdad said:

Market size means nothing if you don't have a presence in it. 

Market size also means EVERYTHING if you don't really have a market to begin with. Think about that for a second.

[VandalPride97]

1 hour ago, SDSUfan said:

You can't build a TV market. You're in the void, the depopulated abyss.  In the old days, you'd be on the part of the map annotated "Thar Be Dragons".  You're so remote you can't even be considered flyover country because no one actually flies over you.  Give up.  We neither want nor do we need another backwater, 3rd rate crapfest of a program in the MWC.  [gratuitous shot] We already have Wyoming and UNM.[/gratuitous shot]  We've done our part.

So we should just stop trying to be better because some guy who attended a school that happens to be in a great TV market says so?  Who are you to tell me what we can and can't try to do?  Also, while I think there is a sentiment that we would prefer to go MWC, other options do exist.  Should your decision that we quietly give up extend to those options as well?

One glaring question in my mind, and this is not really a shot, more of a compliment with a twist: With that uniquely valuable TV market, being located in San Diego, having access to California recruits, performing well on the field and having So Cal sexy beetches swinging from the rafters, how has SDSU peaked at membership in a conference you seem to dislike?  Also, with all that behind you, is there a stadium on the horizon?  I honestly don't know if there is or not, and I think playing in an NFL stadium is fine, but isn't it conventional wisdom that you should have your own stadium?  I say that because in Philly, Temple uses the Eagles' stadium and everyone talks shit because they think it's bush league for some reason.

[Slapdad]

11 minutes ago, babigos said:

Market size also means EVERYTHING if you don't really have a market to begin with. Think about that for a second.

It ranks right below Reno & Boise, so market size can't be that big of an obstacle. 

[VandalPride97]

7 minutes ago, babigos said:

Market size also means EVERYTHING if you don't really have a market to begin with. Think about that for a second.

I think by and large, MWC schools can't really strut around talking about TV markets.  First, many of the schools are isolated, that's just the way Donald Trump designed the earth.  Second, the schools in or near substantial markets don't have meaningful *ahem* penetration. 

Once you drop below the P5, TV markets lose most of their power.  Mostly, G5 conferences are comprised of schools that have history and desire to play one another.  That's kind of what matters to me.  My ESPN app has 2 alarm settings: (i) Idaho; and (ii) MWC schools.  The reason for it is that we do have a history of playing many of the teams in the MWC and I'm actually interested in how Nevada's doing, how my ancestral brethren in Wyoming are playing or what's going on with USU's QB and, of course, any triple option team playing BSU.  If Idaho turns it around and can compete in the MWC, but the cost of admission is that I need to pony up some $ for facilities, that's a price I believe is justified.  Again, just my opinion.

[halfmanhalfbronco]

21 minutes ago, VandalPride97 said:

I think by and large, MWC schools can't really strut around talking about TV markets.  First, many of the schools are isolated, that's just the way Donald Trump designed the earth.  Second, the schools in or near substantial markets don't have meaningful *ahem* penetration. 

Once you drop below the P5, TV markets lose most of their power.  Mostly, G5 conferences are comprised of schools that have history and desire to play one another.  That's kind of what matters to me.  My ESPN app has 2 alarm settings: (i) Idaho; and (ii) MWC schools.  The reason for it is that we do have a history of playing many of the teams in the MWC and I'm actually interested in how Nevada's doing, how my ancestral brethren in Wyoming are playing or what's going on with USU's QB and, of course, any triple option team playing BSU.  If Idaho turns it around and can compete in the MWC, but the cost of admission is that I need to pony up some $ for facilities, that's a price I believe is justified.  Again, just my opinion.

I'm prett sure somebody had to explain this to you in 2007 on the WAC board.  BSU is everybody's second favorite team, so really our market is is most of North America, parts of Europe, Japan and Australia.

God we are fukn awesome.

[Slapdad]

3 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

I'm prett sure somebody had to explain this to you in 2007 on the WAC board.  BSU is everybody's second favorite team, so really our market is is most of North America, parts of Europe, Japan and Australia.

God we are fukn awesome.

Yes, but they're also everybody's first least-favorite. It's a net-zero situation.

[IanforHeisman]

Phukkin Tom Cruise, America hero and legend, was on the sidelines for a game. 

[babs]

1 hour ago, Slapdad said:

It ranks right below Reno & Boise, so market size can't be that big of an obstacle. 

I'll give you Boise, but certainly an anomaly for a small G5 school. Reno also pulls part of the Sacramento market, so there's that.

[Slapdad]

1 minute ago, babigos said:

I'll give you Boise, but certainly an anomaly for a small G5 school. Reno also pulls part of the Sacramento market, so there's that.

The number of Sacramento viewers that Reno pulls wouldn't be worth mentioning. Outside of a number of Nevada grads and players families living there, Sacramento doesn't pay attention to Nevada. 

 

[babs]

8 minutes ago, Slapdad said:

The number of Sacramento viewers that Reno pulls wouldn't be worth mentioning. Outside of a number of Nevada grads and players families living there, Sacramento doesn't pay attention to Nevada. 

 

TV sets matter. Doesn't matter if people are tuning in for Nevada or Boise State.

I think many here seem to look past the fact that a Boise State vs Utah State or Wyoming vs Nevada game being shown in the Bay Area or San Diego is pretty huge for all those schools. You don't get that kind of brand awareness or TV access when you add a small market school. 

Trust me, I am in no way making an excuse about SJSU's suckerary. I'm giving you a logical take.

[SDSUfan]

3 hours ago, VandalPride97 said:

So we should just stop trying to be better because some guy who attended a school that happens to be in a great TV market says so?  Who are you to tell me what we can and can't try to do?  Also, while I think there is a sentiment that we would prefer to go MWC, other options do exist.  Should your decision that we quietly give up extend to those options as well?

One glaring question in my mind, and this is not really a shot, more of a compliment with a twist: With that uniquely valuable TV market, being located in San Diego, having access to California recruits, performing well on the field and having So Cal sexy beetches swinging from the rafters, how has SDSU peaked at membership in a conference you seem to dislike?  Also, with all that behind you, is there a stadium on the horizon?  I honestly don't know if there is or not, and I think playing in an NFL stadium is fine, but isn't it conventional wisdom that you should have your own stadium?  I say that because in Philly, Temple uses the Eagles' stadium and everyone talks shit because they think it's bush league for some reason.

"The Little Engine that Could" is a great children's book but at some point we all have to grow up and recognize our limitations.

 

As to San Diego and SDSU, we have our own set of challenges and fundamental limitations mostly related to geography ( extreme SW corner of the US, sandwiched between the #2 media market, Mexico, the Pacific and the American outback) and the systemic limitations of being part of the 23 school CSU system. We have 3.4 million residents in our little corner of heaven and we're growing at a 5% clip but basically, we'll never rise much above our status as the 28th largest market.  We have fans that likewise have unrealistic aspirations.  Me?  I happen to like the MWC. IMO, we still have much to prove on the field and on the court before we can start crowing about not belonging.  We are where we should be at this moment in time.   I just like to make fun of our country cousins occasionally because there's just too much good material not to.  Fresno had a guy arrested for having sex with a sheep fer crissakes! How the hell are we supposed to pass THAT up  I ask you? 

[VandalPride97]

1 hour ago, SDSUfan said:

"The Little Engine that Could" is a great children's book but at some point we all have to grow up and recognize our limitations.

 

As to San Diego and SDSU, we have our own set of challenges and fundamental limitations mostly related to geography ( extreme SW corner of the US, sandwiched between the #2 media market, Mexico, the Pacific and the American outback) and the systemic limitations of being part of the 23 school CSU system. We have 3.4 million residents in our little corner of heaven and we're growing at a 5% clip but basically, we'll never rise much above our status as the 28th largest market.  We have fans that likewise have unrealistic aspirations.  Me?  I happen to like the MWC. IMO, we still have much to prove on the field and on the court before we can start crowing about not belonging.  We are where we should be at this moment in time.   I just like to make fun of our country cousins occasionally because there's just too much good material not to.  Fresno had a guy arrested for having sex with a sheep fer crissakes! How the hell are we supposed to pass THAT up  I ask you? 

"Recognize our limitations"?    GTFO with that.  If you were right, we'd all be hanging out in medieval europe trying to cure the plague by bleeding each other and balancing several "bodily humors."  Refusing to accept that premise is the bedrock of all progress.  Moving on, I'm going to need to hear a Fresno fan weigh in on this sheep rumor... 

[VandalPride97]

6 hours ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

I'm prett sure somebody had to explain this to you in 2007 on the WAC board.  BSU is everybody's second favorite team, so really our market is is most of North America, parts of Europe, Japan and Australia.

God we are fukn awesome.

You're huge in Singapore as well.  Blorange as far as the eye can see.

[lakesbison]

heck NDSU just signed a $1.2 million tv contract locally.
 The ratings are through the roof and I bet there are more people watching NDSU football in the dakota's/minnesota on Broadcast (FREE) TV than people in Denver watching Colorado State or Air Force or Wyoming Combined!

New Basketball arena opens this fall...   QB Carson Wentz is being talked about every day on National tv sports shows ..... NDSU should be in the MWC!

[IanforHeisman]

LOL. The MAC is a much better fit and much more likely to happen.

 

I know you think the jump from FCS to FBS is no big deal.. But NDSU plays its games against schools with 60 schollies and players FBS schools passed over. The majority of college players would rather sign with the worst FBS team over the best FCS team.

[ole blu dude]

1 hour ago, lakesbison said:

heck NDSU just signed a $1.2 million tv contract locally.
 The rating

 

1 hour ago, lakesbison said:

heck NDSU just signed a $1.2 million tv contract locally.
 The ratings are through the roof and I bet there are more people watching NDSU football in the dakota's/minnesota on Broadcast (FREE) TV than people in Denver watching Colorado State or Air Force or Wyoming Combined!

New Basketball arena opens this fall...   QB Carson Wentz is being talked about every day on National tv sports shows ..... NDSU should be in the MWC!

 I wonder why if things are going so good at NDSU why you want to gamble with a move up ? You will not win 12 games a year in the FBS.

 USU feels we need a $32 million dollar budget to have any chance to compete in this conference. The stadium remodel and expansion will give us a 30,000 seat stadium  which is small by MWC standards, 

  Your fan support is because of a winning football games at a high level, it is unlikely that NDSU will win at that level as a FBS school in a small state with a small stadium.

 I watched NDSU lose to USU in basketball by 14 this season we were the 9th placed team in the MWC this season I believe you folks won 20 games there is a big step up needed.