B12 Expansion - Carpe Diem for MWC?

[jdgaucho]

4 minutes ago, Nevada Convert said:

LOL, especially with no experience dealing with the Borg. The Borgonian management is a special breed, no doubt.

 

They're easy to get along with, as long as things go their way.

[Texas Frog]

BYU to B12 as volleyball only member. 

[klaw]

7 hours ago, Cougar King said:

Playing in Pacific and Mountain Time Zones in front of very few fans since most MWC schools can't draw more than 25k would practically kill our football and traveling like that doesn't do any favors for our Olympic sports. The academics in the MWC are also dismal.

Everybody knows that playing east is by far superior to playing out west with the Pac 12 being the exception. There's a reason why the MWC is going after Rice and UTEP.

As a TCU fan, it was the complete opposite.  The mountain west allowed our programs to grow, thrive and become the big 12 power it is today.

TCU had it largest attended game (Utah 2009) and averaged 42,000 per game in 2010. 

Houston still has a lot to prove in comparison to other proven G5 schools such as Boise. Sustained success and financial support. 

 

 

[SleepingGiantFan]

4 hours ago, #1Stunner said:

I think they added Tulane on the promise that Tulane would be doing some major upgrades---basically on the hope that Tulane would improve its athletics.

They did the same with Temple (hoping they'd improve after adding them), and Temple actually followed through.  Temple is pretty good in football and basketball now.  Tulane sucks and just fired their football coach this season.

Here are Tulane's facilities:

(30,000)

(4,100)

As our Gaucho friend could tell you, change the green to blue and that gym looks a heckuva lot like UCSB. Which is to say nice for a Big West school.

The football stadium? That aerial view is just too far away to see but IIRC, the majority of those seats are benches without seatbacks.

[jdgaucho]

20 minutes ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

As our Gaucho friend could tell you, change the green to blue and that gym looks a heckuva lot like UCSB. Which is to say nice for a Big West school.

The football stadium? That aerial view is just too far away to see but IIRC, the majority of those seats are benches without seatbacks.

 

As our Aztec friend could tell you, that stadium is much closer in capacity to what SDSU needs.  And Tulane actually owns the place so they aren't treated like a second banana by another tenant.

[East Coast Aztec]

2 hours ago, jdgaucho said:

 

As our Aztec friend could tell you, that stadium is much closer in capacity to what SDSU needs.  And Tulane actually owns the place so they aren't treated like a second banana by another tenant.

Oh, nerve touched, for no reason whatsoever? 

[jdgaucho]

18 minutes ago, East Coast Aztec said:

Oh, nerve touched, for no reason whatsoever? 

 

I prefer to call it friendly banter.  We still owe you for a steal of home. 

 

[fanhood]

8 hours ago, jdgaucho said:

 

As our Aztec friend could tell you, that stadium is much closer in capacity to what SDSU needs.  And Tulane actually owns the place so they aren't treated like a second banana by another tenant.

30,000 is actually what the initial plans for an Aztec Warrior Stadium call for.

[since1670]

Many denigrate Tulane's athletics. But, Tulane built a new football stadium and has just hired a coach that won at Sam Houston State and Georgia Southern. Tulane is located in a great recruiting area and in a respectable DMA. It is also a member of the AAU. There is big potential there.

Match it?

[since1670]

Many denigrate Tulane's athletics. But, Tulane built a new football stadium and has just hired a coach that won at Sam Houston State and Georgia Southern. Tulane is located in a great recruiting area and in a respectable DMA. It is also a member of the AAU. There is big potential there.

Match it?

[1066]

1 hour ago, since1670 said:

Many denigrate Tulane's athletics. But, Tulane built a new football stadium and has just hired a coach that won at Sam Houston State and Georgia Southern. Tulane is located in a great recruiting area and in a respectable DMA. It is also a member of the AAU. There is big potential there.

Match it?

Deja vu or emphasis?

[SparkysDad]

17 hours ago, Billings said:

Yea but TV can have a part of both conferences now.  Thus there is no new inventory.  Just repackaged in a new box but the same stuff inside.  ESPN sells off AAC inventory all the time and others also and have picked up part of the MWC inventory.  Thus they can already have those games.  When Boise and SDSU were looking you really think this was not looked at and discarded?

 

Besides a new conference will get no money from the current Playoff system for about 10 years, as per the contract,  and the MWC and AAC would not go away and would keep that playoff money they currently get via contract.  Only way to pull it off would be to disband either or both the MWC or AAC and I don't see that happening in any way shape or form.

No, it's different.  ESPN sells off AAC inventory because some of the AAC inventory isn't good.  The best programs playing each other down the stretch (much like what the AAC did by themselves this year) is fantastic inventory.  Do you not think that Boise State playing BYU for the chance to play the Houston/UConn winner in the Best of the Rest conference championship game is worth more than either conference can pull by themselves consistently.

As far as the Playoff system money, I don't know the details so I'll take your word for it.  

As a college football fan of a program that's going to drift into irrelevancy without it, I think it's the best hope, nothing more.

 

[Hoser]

On 12/12/2015 at 4:33 PM, RambleOn said:

I agree that the MWC needs to be ready to act if/when the Big 12 expands which is just another reason that adding UTEP and Rice makes no sense at this point in time.  I think there is as much of a likelihood that the AAC tries backfilling w/ MWC schools (CSU, UNM, Air Force, Boise, and/or SDSU?) as there is that the MWC tries poaching the AAC. 

This is an interesting take as it seems most MWC posters think that it is the AAC that will be poached.  I think what you say is a distinct possibility.  Let's wait and see what the B12 does to start conference realignment all over again.

[Guest #1Stunner]

3 hours ago, fanhood said:

30,000 is actually what the initial plans for an Aztec Warrior Stadium call for.

SDSU should borrow Tulane's plans.

It would give them an on campus stadium that they can squeeze into a tiny space---same as Tulane.

30,000 seats---about what they get out to their games currently.

[Guest #1Stunner]

2 hours ago, since1670 said:

Many denigrate Tulane's athletics. But, Tulane built a new football stadium and has just hired a coach that won at Sam Houston State and Georgia Southern. Tulane is located in a great recruiting area and in a respectable DMA. It is also a member of the AAU. There is big potential there.

Match it?

To Tulane's credit, they are really making an effort to improve their athletics.

Some of the MWC schools do absolutely nothing---no attempt to build a new stadium when they clearly need one.

Clearly, their athletics program sucks right now.  But they are at least trying to get better.

[fanhood]

43 minutes ago, #1Stunner said:

SDSU should borrow Tulane's plans.

It would give them an on campus stadium that they can squeeze into a tiny space---same as Tulane.

30,000 seats---about what they get out to their games currently.

Yea, we are averaging around 32k. Ultimately, I would prefer a max capacity of 35k. With that, I am told that a 30,000 seat stadium can  be built for around $175,000,000. Anything larger will be significantly more expensive, thus they will build a 30k stadium first, with the ability to expand it as necessary. 

[Guest #1Stunner]

38 minutes ago, fanhood said:

Yea, we are averaging around 32k. Ultimately, I would prefer a max capacity of 35k. With that, I am told that a 30,000 seat stadium can  be built for around $175,000,000. Anything larger will be significantly more expensive, thus they will build a 30k stadium first, with the ability to expand it as necessary. 

That's a good idea.  Maybe a tight, 30,000 seat stadium, with some ability to expand.

[GoCoAztec]

1 hour ago, Hoser said:

This is an interesting take as it seems most MWC posters think that it is the AAC that will be poached.  I think what you say is a distinct possibility.  Let's wait and see what the B12 does to start conference realignment all over again.

It seems to me that many MWC fans want their school to move to the AAC, even with the looming possibility of the AAC losing their top 2 schools.  There also seems to be a strong consensus that the AAC could poach 2 MWC schools (AFA and CSU have been mentioned) in a preemptive strike.  It has been postulated that the discussions with Rice and UTEP are the groundwork to replace AFA and CSU.  

If the B12 expands (and maybe sooner) it is very likely that there will be a battle between the MWC and AAC to attract and retain the best remaining schools.  The winner may end up as the uncontested best G5 conference. 

The MWC better have a plan to win that battle. 

[bigd]

5 minutes ago, GoCoAztec said:

It seems to me that many MWC fans want their school to move to the AAC, even with the looming possibility of the AAC losing their top 2 schools.  There also seems to be a strong consensus that the AAC could poach 2 MWC schools (AFA and CSU have been mentioned) in a preemptive strike.  It has been postulated that the discussions with Rice and UTEP are the groundwork to replace AFA and CSU.  

If the B12 expands (and maybe sooner) it is very likely that there will be a battle between the MWC and AAC to attract and retain the best remaining schools.  The winner may end up as the uncontested best G5 conference. 

The MWC better have a plan to win that battle. 

Who? Other than SDSU fans, I don't think I've seen a single MW fan express desire to move to the AAC?

Air Force is the only school I could see making the jump if they're able to add Army. If that happens then we add UTEP and it's no big deal.

[HighNTight_SD]

1 hour ago, GoCoAztec said:

It seems to me that many MWC fans want their school to move to the AAC, even with the looming possibility of the AAC losing their top 2 schools.  There also seems to be a strong consensus that the AAC could poach 2 MWC schools (AFA and CSU have been mentioned) in a preemptive strike.  It has been postulated that the discussions with Rice and UTEP are the groundwork to replace AFA and CSU.  

If the B12 expands (and maybe sooner) it is very likely that there will be a battle between the MWC and AAC to attract and retain the best remaining schools.  The winner may end up as the uncontested best G5 conference. 

The MWC better have a plan to win that battle. 

 

Which conference is able to poach from the other will greatly depend on who offers the best revenue sharing model to their present/future members as well as which conference can negotiate the best media deal for their conference. Our unequal media sharing will be a barier to the MWC attracting AAC defectors and their lack of a substantially better media deal is a hinderance to them stealing from the MWC.