B12 Expansion - Carpe Diem for MWC?

[Fowl]

1) Houston is in

2) Why in hell would any AAC school want to come to the MW when we have unequal revenue sharing and the AAC doesn't???  No AAC school will EVER come to the MW with Boise taking most of the tv revenue.  The well is poisoned.  The AAC will backfill with two schools (perhaps two from the MW who are sick of unequal revenue sharing) and still get the same tv revenue because their tv contracts stipulate that there is no diminution in payouts unless more than four schools leave.

[SleepingGiantFan]

4 hours ago, GoCoAztec said:

I'll try to spell it out for you.  In the last round of expansion the MWC moved aggressively and achieved 2 notable goals:  They took the best teams from the WAC and eliminated them as a competitor in FB (and really in all sports) AND they somehow, God only know how, must have been some combination of dumb luck and the cycle of the moon, convinced 2 key wayward schools to return to the MWC, much to the chagrin of many.

So it's not totally unprecedented for the MWC to move and win vs. other conferences.

Gimme a break. Hairball and his cohorts didn't kill the WAC, it was already dying on the vine.

[roughrider]

7 hours ago, BSUTOP25 said:

 

5 hours ago, HighNTight_SD said:

My guess is that AAC will try to backfill with Army and one other (UMass, UTSA or AFA)

Had to post the Hair with boom box.   But Army won't join a conference with Navy.  Did you see today's game?  The crowd?   The attention?    A conference game in late November when the SEC championship is on the line aint working that way.   I think all 3 service academies prefer to be in separate conferences.  They all play each other in everything as it is.

[Antarctic79]

What is Air Force's current mindset with conference expansion?  If any conference had a shot a securing all there service academies, it'd be the AAC. AIr Force would slide in okay with the Texas schools and Army in the East.

[Nevada Convert]

4 hours ago, Fowl said:

1) Houston is in

2) Why in hell would any AAC school want to come to the MW when we have unequal revenue sharing and the AAC doesn't???  No AAC school will EVER come to the MW with Boise taking most of the tv revenue.  The well is poisoned.  The AAC will backfill with two schools (perhaps two from the MW who are sick of unequal revenue sharing) and still get the same tv revenue because their tv contracts stipulate that there is no diminution in payouts unless more than four schools leave.

The AAC isn't backfilling shit from the MW. 1st the AAC wouldn't ever invite 2 western schools as full members and the AAC money isn't much different. In fact with major increased travel costs, they'd lose money and have all other sports in an FCS conference. Great deal Yay!!!

[Nevada Convert]

10 hours ago, BSUTOP25 said:

I thought that was Jason Bateman. 

[sactowndog]

9 hours ago, GoCoAztec said:

Agree that they will try to backfill with the best teams available -- MWC teams.  But, why would MWC teams go to a weaker conference that is geographically across the country?  Why wouldn't Houston, SMU and Tulsa consider moving to a better conference that's closer?

both Air Force and Colorado State would get more money.  

Both would have more access to recruit rich Texas, Louisiana and Florida

Both would get more basketball credits

would you rather play in Houston, Dallas, Tulsa and New Orleans or Laramie, Boise, Albuquerque and Logan.  

They play 4 P-5 teams in Bowl Games while we play together.  

Is is this really a hard call as to what will happen?  Why do you think we were talking with Rice and Utep? 

[FresnoFanatic]

Yay, conference expansion threads....

Cincy/Memphis gone...

AAC goes coast to coast to get TV contract worth $6MM/full-member/year ($4MM per for non-full-members and BYU gets what they get now plus a million or two more)...

@ = football only

AAC West:  @Hawaii / Fresno / SanDiego / UNLV / Nevada / Boise / BYU

AAC Mountain:  USU / Wyo. / CSU / AFA / UNM / UTEP / @UTSA 

AAC Central:  Tulsa / SMU / Houston / Tulane / @Southern Miss / ODU / @Navy

AAC East:  UCONN / Temple / @Army / @Marshall / ECU / UCF / USF 

For olys, 12 team West Division (west and Mtn combined), with VCU and Wichita St being non-football members for 12 team East Division.

Would work schedule wise (including 4 team AAC football championship and 24 team AAC men's basketball tournament)....and would not cause but a small bump in travel expenses if any at all.

[BSUTOP25]

51 minutes ago, FresnoFanatic said:

Yay, conference expansion threads....

Cincy/Memphis gone...

AAC goes coast to coast to get TV contract worth $6MM/full-member/year ($4MM per for non-full-members and BYU gets what they get now plus a million or two more)...

@ = football only

AAC West:  @Hawaii / Fresno / SanDiego / UNLV / Nevada / Boise / BYU

AAC Mountain:  USU / Wyo. / CSU / AFA / UNM / UTEP / @UTSA 

AAC Central:  Tulsa / SMU / Houston / Tulane / @Southern Miss / ODU / @Navy

AAC East:  UCONN / Temple / @Army / @Marshall / ECU / UCF / USF 

For olys, 12 team West Division (west and Mtn combined), with VCU and Wichita St being non-football members for 12 team East Division.

Would work schedule wise (including 4 team AAC football championship and 24 team AAC men's basketball tournament)....and would not cause but a small bump in travel expenses if any at all.

[GoCoAztec]

7 hours ago, SleepingGiantsFan said:

Gimme a break. Hairball and his cohorts didn't kill the WAC, it was already dying on the vine.

Scoreboard.

[GoCoAztec]

8 hours ago, Fowl said:

1) Houston is in

2) Why in hell would any AAC school want to come to the MW when we have unequal revenue sharing and the AAC doesn't???  No AAC school will EVER come to the MW with Boise taking most of the tv revenue.  The well is poisoned.  The AAC will backfill with two schools (perhaps two from the MW who are sick of unequal revenue sharing) and still get the same tv revenue because their tv contracts stipulate that there is no diminution in payouts unless more than four schools leave.

1.  Houston MAY be in  -- if so, we have a lesser opportunity with Memphis, SMU and Tulsa. 

2.  Houston would join the MWC outside of the current MWC TV deal -- just like BSU did.  They could sell the rights to their games and get a Boise-like deal.  Yeah, I know that's not popular with the rest of the MWC, but would it be worth it to get Houston (and probably SMU with them) and basically kill the AAC? 

Yes.  

[GoCoAztec]

3 hours ago, sactowndog said:

both Air Force and Colorado State would get more money.  

Both would have more access to recruit rich Texas, Louisiana and Florida

Both would get more basketball credits

would you rather play in Houston, Dallas, Tulsa and New Orleans or Laramie, Boise, Albuquerque and Logan.  

They play 4 P-5 teams in Bowl Games while we play together.  

Is is this really a hard call as to what will happen?  Why do you think we were talking with Rice and Utep? 

AFA looked at a better deal with the Big East and turned it down.  Travel costs more than offset any increase in gross revenue, resulting in a net loss. 

You're missing the point.  When the B12 takes Cinci and Memphis, the MWC becomes the better conference and is closer for Houston, SMU and Tulsa.

 

[ColoStateRam]

I like Houston. I like the school a lot, but based on Houston's experience getting left out in the cold in the 90s SWC collapse, I see no chance of Texas, TCU, and Tx Tech letting them back into the fold. 

This is a group that ditched a school that had a history of success in both revenue sports but let in a school like like K state. These blue blood schools look down at old "Cougar high" like you wouldn't believe.

Houston is a fine school. But them getting into Big12 as a savior for Big12s CFP hopes is as likely as CSU getting dragged into Pac12 with help from Boulder.

I hope I'm wrong though. Love the Coogs.

[nvspuds]

Didn't TCU get left behind when the SWC collapsed too?

[pokerider]

Regardless if Houston were to get in the B12 or not, their not coming to MWC.  They've made it very clear they want to stay east.  The AAC would likely look at CUSA and SB schools.
There just isn't enough $ for the AAC to take MW schools or vice- versa and the geography makes it impossible for all sports anyway.  I just don't think there's enough $ and benefit for schools want to have some bastardized conference of football only and all sports schools, 

Also, I think if AAC lost 2 schools, a MW champ would be ranked higher than the AAC champ most years.  Boise got in Fiesta last year with 2 losses.
And besides Boise is not going to leave the deal they got going right now.

[ColoStateRam]

32 minutes ago, nvspuds said:

Didn't TCU get left behind when the SWC collapsed too?

Yeah them SMU and Rice plus Houston were the four left out when SWC merged with Big 8. Big 8 gave up no members to capture TxTech, TAMU, Baylor, and the horns. Why K state and ISU got to stay but the four Texas schools had to go is unclear to me.

TCU is a very different place than UH.

[nvspuds]

True..but Texas let them back in to the cool kids club..

I would not rule out Houston being in consideration for the B-12..

 

[ColoStateRam]

37 minutes ago, nvspuds said:

True..but Texas let them back in to the cool kids club..

I would not rule out Houston being in consideration for the B-12..

 

No school in Texas has gotten the little brother treatment like UH has. I'm telling you...ask Horns fans what they think about UH vs TCU or Rice or SMU. It's an order of magnitude more condescension.

[nvspuds]

What makes you think Houston would have any interest in moving to the MW?

[Jack Bauer]

2 hours ago, GoCoAztec said:

1.  Houston MAY be in  -- if so, we have a lesser opportunity with Memphis, SMU and Tulsa. 

2.  Houston would join the MWC outside of the current MWC TV deal -- just like BSU did.  They could sell the rights to their games and get a Boise-like deal.  Yeah, I know that's not popular with the rest of the MWC, but would it be worth it to get Houston (and probably SMU with them) and basically kill the AAC? 

Yes.  

Why would you want any of these?  Houston makes sense.  The rest of those, not so much.