Htownfan Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 And what about Ioane from Hawaii playing for Boise. He got the start because of the suspensions. This sophmore knees was shaking probably when the Georgia RB ran past him to score You watch him progress because he has the potential to go pro and hope him the best. He left Hawaii and passed up Notre Dame to play at Boise. It must have been a cup of noodle and a couch that changed his mind. He could of had the whole pig if he stayed on the island. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelado Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 It created a whole season of workouts for new recruits that many other WAC teams didn't have. Either you still haven't read the report, or you are purposely misrepresenting the findings in the report. Every team is allowed to have the voluntary player-led off-season practices that BSU had. I doubt that even the WAC teams were foregoing that benefit. If the other WAC teams weren't having voluntary player-led practices in the off-season, then they deserved to get their backsides handed to them by the Broncos every year. The reported violations have to do with housing and transportation, not with extra practice sessions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbow Posted September 15, 2011 Author Share Posted September 15, 2011 Warbow is like a shittier Yoda - who thought it was possible. Thanks for the complement, Yoda is my hero! Quote Disclaimer: Any views or opinions presented by this poster (Warbow) are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Univesity of Hawaii or it's loyal fans. All quotes and opinions from Warbow are valid for 30 days following the date of post transmission and are subject to change at any time. All information published herein by Warbow is gathered from his own opinions or sources which are thought to be reliable, but the reader should not assume that the information is official or fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSU2MWC Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 I found this interesting in the report: "It would have been permissible for a prospect to contact a student-athlete on his own initiative and made arrangements to stay with the student-athlete. The concern here is that the coaches' arrangement of housing with student-athletes enabled prospective student-athletes to save time, effort and perhaps money." So any school can do what BSU did, as long as the coaches aren't involved. If the current students offer those services without the coach's involvement then it isn't a violation. Didn't Ayajay [sp] (the RB from Texas that signed with BSU) graduate HS early for the sole purpose of being able to attend the summer workouts and spring practices? If the recruits are able to enroll for Spring term, then they (BSU) would be able to provide housing etc? I would think that this would give them even more of an advantage than someone coming on for the summer workouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelado Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 If the recruits are able to enroll for Spring term, then they (BSU) would be able to provide housing etc? I would think that this would give them even more of an advantage than someone coming on for the summer workouts. Correct, as long as the school has scholarships available for that semester/term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headbutt Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Correct, as long as the school has scholarships available for that semester/term. If a scholarship player can enroll in summer school, he can receive housing and other typical benefits throughout the summer semester. If not, as in the case of a true frosh, they need to provide their own housing and food. Since all summer workouts are voluntary, and technically not a part of the official program, an athlete not yet on scholarship can participate on his own time. Literally, some Jr. High kid can play football with the team in the summer. There is nothing official about it. The challenge is getting all of your players in town so they can voluntarily participate. That's where funding summer school is good, and coaches helping a kid find a bed in town is bad. What Boise football did is very, very minor. What Boise tennis did was stupid, reckless, and detrimental to the entire athletic department. They will be just fine in the long run though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSU2MWC Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Correct, as long as the school has scholarships available for that semester/term. Thanks, I was wondering how that was differentiated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastie Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Thanks for the complement, Yoda is my hero! Pace yourself. The Derby isn't until May, and you don't want to blow your load too early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbow Posted September 15, 2011 Author Share Posted September 15, 2011 Either you still haven't read the report, or you are purposely misrepresenting the findings in the report. Every team is allowed to have the voluntary player-led off-season practices that BSU had. I doubt that even the WAC teams were foregoing that benefit. If the other WAC teams weren't having voluntary player-led practices in the off-season, then they deserved to get their backsides handed to them by the Broncos every year. The reported violations have to do with housing and transportation, not with extra practice sessions. Duh! You're stating something everyone knows. The thing that separates Boise St from the rest of the WAC was that Boise St's COACHES were arranging these accommodations for these in coming-recruits. All the other teams in the WAC didn't have this privilege of doing that, thus resulting in Boise St having more in-coming non-enrolled athletes participating in their summer work-outs. If coaches didn't arrange those accommodations, the recruit probably wouldn't have participated. And we're talking about 75 athletes over that time period. Understand now? Quote Disclaimer: Any views or opinions presented by this poster (Warbow) are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Univesity of Hawaii or it's loyal fans. All quotes and opinions from Warbow are valid for 30 days following the date of post transmission and are subject to change at any time. All information published herein by Warbow is gathered from his own opinions or sources which are thought to be reliable, but the reader should not assume that the information is official or fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelado Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 What Boise football did is very, very minor. What Boise tennis did was stupid, reckless, and detrimental to the entire athletic department. They will be just fine in the long run though. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelado Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Duh! You're stating something everyone knows. The thing that separates Boise St from the rest of the WAC was that Boise St's COACHES were arranging these accommodations for these in coming-recruits. All the other teams in the WAC didn't have this privilege of doing that, thus resulting in Boise St having more in-coming non-enrolled athletes participating in their summer work-outs. If coaches didn't arrange those accommodations, the recruit probably wouldn't have participated. And we're talking about 75 athletes over that time period. Understand now? I've understood from the beginning, without having to misrepresent the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSU2MWC Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 And we're talking about 75 athletes over that time period. Understand now? hmmm the report said it was 63... but Warbow says it was over 75 and this is the reason that the BSU was able to dominate the WAC... Damn who do I believe...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Htownfan Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Duh! You're stating something everyone knows. The thing that separates Boise St from the rest of the WAC was that Boise St's COACHES were arranging these accommodations for these in coming-recruits. All the other teams in the WAC didn't have this privilege of doing that, thus resulting in Boise St having more in-coming non-enrolled athletes participating in their summer work-outs. If coaches didn't arrange those accommodations, the recruit probably wouldn't have participated. And we're talking about 75 athletes over that time period. Understand now? Malo Sa'oloto Tuto'atasi o Samoa Independent State of Samoa You think everyone of this boys could show receipts with transportation, where they stayed and ate? When they visited Hawaii. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FULL_MONTY Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Someone is hitting the liquor, must be game week with the Rebs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbow Posted September 15, 2011 Author Share Posted September 15, 2011 The bottom line is Boise St cheated to get their players more practice time which resulted in an unfair advanage for them. You can sugar coat it all you want but cheating is cheating. Do the right thing and vacate all those wins. Quote Disclaimer: Any views or opinions presented by this poster (Warbow) are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Univesity of Hawaii or it's loyal fans. All quotes and opinions from Warbow are valid for 30 days following the date of post transmission and are subject to change at any time. All information published herein by Warbow is gathered from his own opinions or sources which are thought to be reliable, but the reader should not assume that the information is official or fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Htownfan Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Someone is hitting the liquor, must be game week with the Rebs. LOL! And it's with the Warbows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtahStizzle Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Benson's busy enough filling out job applications on Monster all day. Quote twitter: UtahStizzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelado Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 The bottom line is Boise St cheated to get their players more practice time which resulted in an unfair advanage for them. You can sugar coat it all you want but cheating is cheating. Do the right thing and vacate all those wins. The bottom line is every one of the players that participated in those voluntary, player-led practices was allowed to be there. There were no findings of any illegal practices held. There has been no report of coach involvement in the voluntary practices (as was the case with SDSU a while back). The only problem is the coaches helping the new kids with housing. From the report, it sounds like the coaches should have just said, "Hey, sorry, but I'm not allowed to help you with that. You might try contacting the players you met on your official visit to the school." That would have yielded the same result, but without the violations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelado Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Do the right thing and vacate all those wins. Also, the NCAA decides when a program is to vacate wins, not the conference commissioner. Any vacated wins would have been included in the report. Generally, wins are vacated only when an ineligible player was allowed to participate in the game. None of the findings pointed to ineligible football players. Vacating the wins would not be the right thing for them to do. If you want wins against the Broncos, just do it on the field, not after the fact in a conference commissioner's office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeTransplant Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 I have a conscience, wouldn't want those numbers used if you cheated to get them. Boise St is the Sammy Sosa of college football. And you are the Rush Limbaugh of College Football message boards.... Duh! You're stating something everyone knows. The thing that separates Boise St from the rest of the WAC was that Boise St's COACHES were arranging these accommodations for these in coming-recruits. All the other teams in the WAC didn't have this privilege of doing that, thus resulting in Boise St having more in-coming non-enrolled athletes participating in their summer work-outs. If coaches didn't arrange those accommodations, the recruit probably wouldn't have participated. And we're talking about 75 athletes over that time period. Understand now? If all it takes for Boise to get the top recruits is to promise a couple of blankets and a couch along with some cold pizza leftovers to get a recruiting advantage over the Rainblows...then I think you need to look at the state of your program instead of fabricating conspiracy theories of unfair recruiting. This is beyond grasping at straws to justify why you have been BSUs ++++. On a bright note...starting in 2014, you get to be the Cowboy's ++++ again.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...