I really don't see much difference on the gridiron...

[SPARTOM]

BOISE - UNLV
CSU - SJSU
TSU - AF
WSU - WYO
OSU - UNI
FresNo - Hawaii
SDSU - Nevada
USU - UNM or UTEP
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On paper, things look a bit different on the basketball court, but remember there always needs to be basement dwellers as well as champions,
so some programs will rise and others fall in these new conference line-ups.  In two short years (other than Gonzaga), I see UNM, GCU, NEV, UTEP and WYO moving up a bit in statue to pretty closely match the PAC-12 in final rankings.

 As far as potential media viewing population, I believe the MWC tops the PAC-12 with much larger markets possible.  Fresno fans 
like to say things like, "Yeah, but no one in the Bay Area cares about SJSU" but the numbers don't lie--we still typically get higher viewership than them on the tube.  

I think the MWC will rise a bit, and the PAC-12 programs will sink a bit which in the end will look like two evenly matched conferences--only change will be that we got some of their money along the way!  :)

 

 

 

[quickdraw]

Many programs in both conferences have had turnover with coaches, staffs and players. Nothing is poured in concrete yet and there are a lot of unknowns. UNLV tried the hire the up and coming lower division or assistant route for decades and it just doesn’t work. With limited funds available I see why schools go that route. We will see year 2 of that experiment with suds, Reno and now UNM. SJSU I think hit pay dirt with KN and USU stole BM which was a good acquisition. Still time is critical like never before to either get in or get out concerning football. Everyone should have learned a lesson with this recent split. Come the end of this next media contract and realignment we may all be locked in to our lot in life for years to come. 

This next 7 years anything can happen and yes the gap between conferences isn’t that wide at this point.

[Rocket]

I agree. The major thing to keep an eye on is the media deal, if it's relatively close then the damage to the MWC will not be huge and insurmountable. 

[quickdraw]

On 8/18/2025 at 11:24 PM, Rocket said:

I agree. The major thing to keep an eye on is the media deal, if it's relatively close then the damage to the MWC will not be huge and insurmountable. 

With MWC AD’s spending between $40mm to $70mm per year, the difference in the potential 2 conferences media contracts being $2mm to maybe $5mm is chicken feed. It is more about what each school will actually commit. Which schools will come up with an additional $10mm or $15mm for athletics? Just trying to get by will… just get by and won’t move the needle. That is ok but you can’t cry about just getting by when others move on.

[Rocket]

On 8/19/2025 at 6:15 AM, quickdraw said:

With MWC AD’s spending between $40mm to $70mm per year, the difference in the potential 2 conferences media contracts being $2mm to maybe $5mm is chicken feed. It is more about what each school will actually commit. Which schools will come up with an additional $10mm or $15mm for athletics? Just trying to get by will… just get by and won’t move the needle. That is ok but you can’t cry about just getting by when others move on.

After 4 years you got $20 million extra, that starts to reflect in many ways including recruiting 

[quickdraw]

On 8/19/2025 at 8:24 PM, Rocket said:

After 4 years you got $20 million extra, that starts to reflect in many ways including recruiting 

Depending on where that money goes. In days gone by that money would have quickly disappeared into some amorphous budget somewhere. I’m hoping that it all goes directly into the football and then basketball budgets. We will see how much it actually turns out to be but I’m still thinking that the conference collects most of what the contracts state. Even after that though UNLV needs to invest much more into our future. With football and basketball success revenues should grow quickly. 

[Rocket]

On 8/20/2025 at 1:22 PM, quickdraw said:

Depending on where that money goes. In days gone by that money would have quickly disappeared into some amorphous budget somewhere. I’m hoping that it all goes directly into the football and then basketball budgets. We will see how much it actually turns out to be but I’m still thinking that the conference collects most of what the contracts state. Even after that though UNLV needs to invest much more into our future. With football and basketball success revenues should grow quickly. 

NIL is crucially important, you guys have an attractive new stadium so the money can go into NIL coffers to keep recruits from taking a bag. 

[quickdraw]

On 8/20/2025 at 9:08 PM, Rocket said:

NIL is crucially important, you guys have an attractive new stadium so the money can go into NIL coffers to keep recruits from taking a bag. 

We’ve been working on facilities for decades. Still need that indoor football practice field. With continued football success we have room for a major bump in ticket sales revenue. We’re all hoping that basketball will finally get on track which will bring ticket sales there as well. We’ve been down for so long that any success means money. Now it’s all about what the school will do with that revenue. We are looking like we’ve finally learned our lesson about how much revenue was lost over the years by cheating out on sports. For a school that teaches business classes they have been double dumb over the years.

[ragtimejoe]

On 8/19/2025 at 7:15 AM, quickdraw said:

With MWC AD’s spending between $40mm to $70mm per year, the difference in the potential 2 conferences media contracts being $2mm to maybe $5mm is chicken feed. It is more about what each school will actually commit. Which schools will come up with an additional $10mm or $15mm for athletics? Just trying to get by will… just get by and won’t move the needle. That is ok but you can’t cry about just getting by when others move on.

Bigger question is what does all this look like when the big programs split? Will fbs reorganize into 1 or 2 levels below that. The TV dollars and overall revenue will shrink substantially for those not in the top level. Nobody in the pac or mwc will be in the top level. If only 1 level forms below the top, it will make the packs efforts even more meaningless

 

[415hawaiiboy]

On 8/22/2025 at 10:10 AM, ragtimejoe said:

Bigger question is what does all this look like when the big programs split? Will fbs reorganize into 1 or 2 levels below that. The TV dollars and overall revenue will shrink substantially for those not in the top level. Nobody in the pac or mwc will be in the top level. If only 1 level forms below the top, it will make the packs efforts even more meaningless

 

We’ll take the meaningful exit fee money though.

[quickdraw]

On 8/22/2025 at 10:10 AM, ragtimejoe said:

Bigger question is what does all this look like when the big programs split? Will fbs reorganize into 1 or 2 levels below that. The TV dollars and overall revenue will shrink substantially for those not in the top level. Nobody in the pac or mwc will be in the top level. If only 1 level forms below the top, it will make the packs efforts even more meaningless

 

So here is a question to you. When the new super league happens are you no longer going to be interested in watching Wyoming football?

Of course not. The super league will do its thing and life will go on. The other teams will regroup and move forward. People will still want to watch their teams play. Where there are eyeballs there will be revenue. Life goes on. NFL, UFL, Super League, Canadian, AFL, yada yada yada. I’ll still be watching UNLV and our competition the most. I also don’t see revenue dropping for teams at our level although some of the lesser P4’s that don’t make the cut will take a hit. There will definitely be a major reorganization and some of that could even bring extra revenue for the better current G6’s. That is why it is so important over the next 5 to 7 years to make a major commitment to improve in every aspect of the game.

[ragtimejoe]

On 8/22/2025 at 5:06 PM, quickdraw said:

So here is a question to you. When the new super league happens are you no longer going to be interested in watching Wyoming football?

Of course not. The super league will do its thing and life will go on. The other teams will regroup and move forward. People will still want to watch their teams play. Where there are eyeballs there will be revenue. Life goes on. NFL, UFL, Super League, Canadian, AFL, yada yada yada. I’ll still be watching UNLV and our competition the most. I also don’t see revenue dropping for teams at our level although some of the lesser P4’s that don’t make the cut will take a hit. There will definitely be a major reorganization and some of that could even bring extra revenue for the better current G6’s. That is why it is so important over the next 5 to 7 years to make a major commitment to improve in every aspect of the game.

FCS fans continue to watch their teams but there's not much value. Network, timeslot, and competing games followed by a storyline (like Deon hype last year) drive ratings. The worst new MWC teams would eclipse the best new pac teams in ratings if the MWC were on a better network in a good timeslot and the pac were on the cw at 8pm pacific time.

There isn't a single g5 team that drives ratings. However, t25 matchups and playoff implications drive ratings for cfb fans across the nation much like Deon did in those early season games. The new pac is much more likely than the new MWC to have late season T25 matchups and games with playoff implications =better timeslots and networks and more value.

Back to my point, if we are no longer even in the same ranking system or playoff, then the national appeal drops substantially and value and revenue follow suit. The super league will have enough content to fill the optimum timeslots on the good networks. The lower leagues will be much like fcs competing with the likes of motocross, bull riding, swimming, and other activities that are mostly happy with exposure. Look how detrimental the g5 label was. When the super league splits, it'll be like that times a million. It just is what it is.

[quickdraw]

On 8/23/2025 at 4:56 AM, ragtimejoe said:

FCS fans continue to watch their teams but there's not much value. Network, timeslot, and competing games followed by a storyline (like Deon hype last year) drive ratings. The worst new MWC teams would eclipse the best new pac teams in ratings if the MWC were on a better network in a good timeslot and the pac were on the cw at 8pm pacific time.

There isn't a single g5 team that drives ratings. However, t25 matchups and playoff implications drive ratings for cfb fans across the nation much like Deon did in those early season games. The new pac is much more likely than the new MWC to have late season T25 matchups and games with playoff implications =better timeslots and networks and more value.

Back to my point, if we are no longer even in the same ranking system or playoff, then the national appeal drops substantially and value and revenue follow suit. The super league will have enough content to fill the optimum timeslots on the good networks. The lower leagues will be much like fcs competing with the likes of motocross, bull riding, swimming, and other activities that are mostly happy with exposure. Look how detrimental the g5 label was. When the super league splits, it'll be like that times a million. It just is what it is.

I just don’t see it being much difference than right now. P4 makes the big bucks and gets the prime time slots already. FCS is fcs for a reason. Smaller markets, smaller schools, smaller fan base equals smaller revenue. We already suffer from those same symptoms just to a different degree. So you will lose interest in Wyoming because the BIG and SEC reorganize and rebrand? I’ll still be going to UNLV games and watch them on TV. In the ever expanding age of streaming and direct to consumer something will need to fill those slots. I watched woman’s volleyball on FOX last night in prime time on a Friday night. I don’t see our revenue going down although the super league will definitely see theirs go up which is the whole point behind it and always has been, mo money. The death of the G conferences has been predicted for decades and we are all still here. The only thing that has really changed is where the big money has gone.

[ragtimejoe]

On 8/23/2025 at 8:35 AM, quickdraw said:

I just don’t see it being much difference than right now. P4 makes the big bucks and gets the prime time slots already. FCS is fcs for a reason. Smaller markets, smaller schools, smaller fan base equals smaller revenue. We already suffer from those same symptoms just to a different degree. So you will lose interest in Wyoming because the BIG and SEC reorganize and rebrand? I’ll still be going to UNLV games and watch them on TV. In the ever expanding age of streaming and direct to consumer something will need to fill those slots. I watched woman’s volleyball on FOX last night in prime time on a Friday night. I don’t see our revenue going down although the super league will definitely see theirs go up which is the whole point behind it and always has been, mo money. The death of the G conferences has been predicted for decades and we are all still here. The only thing that has really changed is where the big money has gone.

I look at this from 2 values 1) national broad interest value and 2) direct to consumer value. 

We're somewhere between now. Being in fbs competing at the highest level for awards, t25, and championship playoff drives the national interest. When power league splits, i think the broader national appeal goes away for the most part and we end closer to direct to consumer value.

I don't think the direct to consumer value alone is worth much for any g6 team. Teams like WY will be affected least because our lack of success has already put us closer to direct to consumer valuation and riding coattails of conference mates for the broader national appeal valuation. Teams like bsu will see the biggest drop because their relatively substantial national broad appeal due to history and their sustained success will go away. Nobody nationally is going to care if bsu is beating up on g6 to end the season in a championship game against coastal Carolina (for example).