New MWC - who do we add

[Spaztecs]

On 10/18/2024 at 10:46 AM, wolf from 73 said:

 

These guys make trump supporters look brilliant. They believe that just because the MW got to 8 before the Pac, the Pac is in big trouble.

Gloria came on their show a couple times and they fall all over themselves to eat the corn out of her runny shit.

[SanDiegoPoke]

On 10/18/2024 at 9:29 AM, Spaztecs said:

I know your butt-hurt over UW not getting into the Pac and having to pay a bribe to UNLV and AFA.

However, what does that have to do with UH paying travel subs ?

So the answer is "no."

[ShoichiKUN808]

On 10/17/2024 at 9:50 AM, agswin said:

Why didn't Hawaii put together an all-out petition to get all of their programs into the MWC many years ago?  It seems they more or less sealed their own fate by lurking around the "do nothing" Big West Conference forever.

They shoulda been actively working like one-legged men at a butt-kicking contest to resolve their stadium issues and their travel/travel subsidy issues. 

It is not like they just suddenly got plopped in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, by surprise.  I think they have been there for a while.

But they were not really working to resolve the time zone /tv coverage issues.  They focused on gobbling up 3rd Tier TV rights for their local Hawaii TV partners and never gave two hoots about distribution on the mainland.

With semi-respectable University and Athletic Department leadership and just a wee bit of forward-looking vision, they ought to have as nice of football facilities as anyone in the West and they coulda and shoulda been working on an invite to the PAC rather than just finally getting around to going all sports in the MWC. 

So, why didn't they?

 

The stadium situation for Hawai'i was out of the school's hands. The school is only a tenant of the stadium (will be in the newly built Aloha as well), and is one of a handful of various officials that had a hand in the matter. It was the state's mismanagement of upkeep and repairs that put the old Aloha Stadium in the situation today. State officials constantly debated for years leading up to the closure, on deciding either on continuing to set aside yearly funds to repair and maintain the old stadium or spending more funds to put a new stadium in its place but with much lower maintenance, until after it was too late and was recommended to close the stadium for safety precautions and the state was forced to work on the "NASED" project (New Aloha Stadium Entertainment District).

The new stadium is already set aside $400m in funds for development and the school doesn't have to worry about any fundraising or spending of school resources to get it built (besides what was needed to upgrade the on-campus T&F stadium in a single offseason to be a temporary home to house NCAA FBS games). The only issue is the school is at mercy of the state and fast it operates to begin construction of NASED and the Stadium portion of it.

The school accepted the travel subsidy terms for the MW and BW to do anything to get out of the WAC after Fresno and Nevada announced they were leaving the conference, and the WAC was looking to get farther into the Midwest with UTSA and Texas State. The school's President and former AD were/are on very good terms with the Big West officials (and the school had a lot of history with the conference), as well as supposedly certain members in the MW did not want to negotiate on travel subsidies prior to all this recent movement.

The Spectrum deal paid the school more than the MW would have, which is why the two sides negotiated a deal on how to appropriate the tv revenue payout (nothing unless MW deal pays more than Spectrum does where its the difference between the two). Spectrum and how the streaming worked for those on the continent is on Spectrum's side and them trying to find ways to blackout Hawai'i residents from viewing for free the PPV games.

The school was having negotiations with getting a PAC invite up until the MOU/GOR agreement (it’s why the school was last to sign after word from the PAC was received). According to the AD, a large part of the issue was the exit fee/poaching fee that the PAC officials after consulting with one another couldn’t agree to cover, and the school wouldn’t cover themselves.

[Spaztecs]

On 10/18/2024 at 1:06 PM, SanDiegoPoke said:

So the answer is "no."

Once more,  what does the P4 having remote locations have to do with UH paying travel subs ?

[SanDiegoPoke]

On 10/18/2024 at 7:31 PM, Spaztecs said:

Once more,  what does the P4 having remote locations have to do with UH paying travel subs ?

You're original quote was this, "It's cheaper to pay travel subs for BW squads that are near major airports with direct flights than the MW Schools located in the middle of nowhere."

SDSU fans have always complained about the "remote schools" in the Mountain West. I'm pointing out that remote schools exist in the P4. I wasn't addressing the paying of travel subsidies at all.

[smithy]

Having Hawaii joining as full member is a win for the MW...but on the other side it can be obstacle for any school in the Midwest/Texas because of the high cost without subsidies in play. Perhaps that is why SH and TXST said no to Gloria because of this and the PAC is a drivable conference for equipment and at time teams for their oly's . Don't be surprised the subsidies objection will affect their bids for NIU/Toledo or Tarleton State. For the PAC, when they figure out the numbers, they will go right ahead and start looking for #8 with BB also in the picture.

[FlyingLobo]

On 10/21/2024 at 2:24 PM, smithy said:

Having Hawaii joining as full member is a win for the MW...but on the other side it can be obstacle for any school in the Midwest/Texas because of the high cost without subsidies in play. Perhaps that is why SH and TXST said no to Gloria because of this and the PAC is a drivable conference for equipment and at time teams for their oly's . Don't be surprised the subsidies objection will affect their bids for NIU/Toledo or Tarleton State. For the PAC, when they figure out the numbers, they will go right ahead and start looking for #8 with BB also in the picture.

I doubt travel subsidies will be an issue for NIU/Toledo. They would be football only adds and make up the expense of the Honolulu trip with a 13th game. 
 

If they don’t join it’s because of geography and/or revenue split with the conference. 

[Spaztecs]

On 10/24/2024 at 11:07 AM, FlyingLobo said:

I doubt travel subsidies will be an issue for NIU/Toledo. They would be football only adds and make up the expense of the Honolulu trip with a 13th game. 
 

If they don’t join it’s because of geography and/or revenue split with the conference. 

 

Which is it ?

Either travel and subsidies matter or they don't.

[nvspuds]

On 10/24/2024 at 1:17 PM, Spaztecs said:

 

Which is it ?

Either travel and subsidies matter or they don't.

I have no idea if they will join or not.  They would need to find another home for their olympic sports which is a consideration.  I do think if the deal is good for both sides they may well jump in.  

As for the travel, they would have 4 home games and 4 road games, one of which would be between Toledo and NIU.  3 trips out west. With 10 football schools and an 8 game schedule it is possible to work things out with regards to Hawaii and the Maction folks. 

[EvilPoke]

On 10/24/2024 at 4:21 PM, nvspuds said:

I have no idea if they will join or not.  They would need to find another home for their olympic sports which is a consideration.  I do think if the deal is good for both sides they may well jump in.  

As for the travel, they would have 4 home games and 4 road games, one of which would be between Toledo and NIU.  3 trips out west. With 10 football schools and an 8 game schedule it is possible to work things out with regards to Hawaii and the Maction folks. 

The same year you travel to Hawaii, you travel to the old MAC opponent - and you get a bye week after Hawaii.

There. Solved.

[FlyingLobo]

On 10/24/2024 at 1:17 PM, Spaztecs said:

 

Which is it ?

Either travel and subsidies matter or they don't.

They don’t matter for NIU or Toledo. Football is the only sport that would be in the MWC for both schools, and a bigger TV payout would more than cover the extra travel expense for four conference road games out west vs in the Midwest. 
 

The point I was making was that the most expensive of the possible MWC road games from a travel standpoint (Hawaii) is made up for with the 13th game. 
 

If NIU and Toledo aren’t interested it will not be because of travel expense and lack of a travel subsidy. 

[wolf from 73]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[wolf from 73]

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[wolf from 73]

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Post: #751 RE: McMurphy: NIU FB to Mountain West. OH. MY. GOD. I finally have a real update. NIU is expecting an official offer from the Mountain West “any day” and once it arrives “we’ll see if (the offer) meets expectations.” Seems like both sides are motivated to get it done, so we continue to inch our way closer.                          Today 06:04 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    All on their board seem to think 7 has insider connections.

[Spaztecs]

@lakesbison this is your moment !

NDSU is on the clock.

 

https://x.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1854175932073799987?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1854175932073799987|twgr^394c1880b0fa177252c0d709e7c216965562f3ca|twcon^s1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcsnbbs.com%2Fthread-1000541.html

 

https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/northern-illinois-mountain-west-interest-waning-north-dakota-state

[lakesbison]

Told you guys for years.  NDSU time 

 

We will negotiate all sports !!

[MWC TX]

Good move for the MW.  NDSU had compete well and beaten many P4/5 and G5/6 schools.  They will be a strong prospect and rise to a Boise St level….without the junior high blue field.

[WAC_FAN]

On 11/6/2024 at 1:37 PM, lakesbison said:

Told you guys for years.  NDSU time 

 

We will negotiate all sports !!

....and we told you to be patient....

[lakesbison]

LOL wac   true

[smithy]

On 11/6/2024 at 10:03 AM, Spaztecs said:

@lakesbison this is your moment !

NDSU is on the clock.

 

https://x.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1854175932073799987?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1854175932073799987|twgr^394c1880b0fa177252c0d709e7c216965562f3ca|twcon^s1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcsnbbs.com%2Fthread-1000541.html

 

https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/northern-illinois-mountain-west-interest-waning-north-dakota-state

NIU probably done the numbers and after HAWAII became a full member...those extra costs of flying from the CST to Hawaii and back must be a factor and doesn't move the needle much. Let alone Toledo was probably not even talking about moving. Put a fork in it.