Re: Pac 12. I'm devastated for UNLV. We don't deserve this.

[Dogs4Me]

On 9/17/2024 at 12:13 PM, SPARTOM said:

Saturday, November 11	2023	Away San Jose, CA	L18-42	Links
Saturday, October 15	2022	Home Fresno, Calif.	W17-10	Links
Thursday, November 25	2021	Away San Jose, CA	W40-9	Links
Saturday, November 30	2019	Away San Jose, CA	L16-17	Links
Saturday, November 24	2018	Home Fresno, CA	W31-13	Links
Saturday, October 7	2017	Away San Jose, CA	W27-10	Links
Saturday, November 26	2016	Home Fresno, Calif.	L14-16	Links
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Saturday, September 26	2015	Away San Jose, Calif.	L23-49	Links
Saturday, November 8	2014	Home Fresno, Calif.	W38-24	Links
Friday, November 29	2013	Away San Jose, Calif.	L52-62	Links
Saturday, November 26	2011	Home Fresno, Calif.	L24-27	Links

The above is Fresno's record against SJSU  since 2011.  How again are you a superior on the field? Like I said Boise can talk crap because they backed it up with results on us.

Clearly a feat worthy of an invite to a potentially stronger conference…just out of curiosity, what were the overall records for each team for each of those years? I think that will help add a little context, no?

[Super six]

According to an industry source, UNLV’s tricky political situation — the Rebels are tied to Nevada, at least for the time being — was part of Pac-12’s decision to exclude the school from the initial expansion wave. But it wasn’t the only reason,

The desire to maintain maximum optionality and explore schools in the country's eastern half was also a factor.

— Multiple industry sources said the Pac-12 brand is significantly more valuable for media rights and sponsorship opportunities than the Mountain West brand.

[agswin]

Remind me please.  I am a little fuzzy on this.  What exactly is the brand of the PAC remnants?

Spell that out for us.  

[BoiseStateOfMind]

On 9/17/2024 at 6:58 PM, agswin said:

Remind me please.  I am a little fuzzy on this.  What exactly is the brand of the PAC remnants?

Spell that out for us.  

I think this has more to do with the MWC's poor leadership and complacency over the years than the PAC itself being anything special anymore. The MWC's brand is in tatters because Hair missed virtually every opportunity to grow the brand while there was still time to do so. Remember, we were already getting only a fraction of the TV money that the Big East's remnants were getting.

[RebelRobert]

On 9/17/2024 at 5:58 PM, agswin said:

Remind me please.  I am a little fuzzy on this.  What exactly is the brand of the PAC remnants?

Spell that out for us.  

[doggystyleu2]

On 9/17/2024 at 12:13 PM, SPARTOM said:

Saturday, November 11	2023	Away San Jose, CA	L18-42	Links
Saturday, October 15	2022	Home Fresno, Calif.	W17-10	Links
Thursday, November 25	2021	Away San Jose, CA	W40-9	Links
Saturday, November 30	2019	Away San Jose, CA	L16-17	Links
Saturday, November 24	2018	Home Fresno, CA	W31-13	Links
Saturday, October 7	2017	Away San Jose, CA	W27-10	Links
Saturday, November 26	2016	Home Fresno, Calif.	L14-16	Links
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Saturday, September 26	2015	Away San Jose, Calif.	L23-49	Links
Saturday, November 8	2014	Home Fresno, Calif.	W38-24	Links
Friday, November 29	2013	Away San Jose, Calif.	L52-62	Links
Saturday, November 26	2011	Home Fresno, Calif.	L24-27	Links

The above is Fresno's record against SJSU  since 2011.  How again are you a superior on the field? Like I said Boise can talk crap because they backed it up with results on us.

Is that supposed to be clever??

[doggystyleu2]

On 9/17/2024 at 12:13 PM, SPARTOM said:

Saturday, November 11	2023	Away San Jose, CA	L18-42	Links
Saturday, October 15	2022	Home Fresno, Calif.	W17-10	Links
Thursday, November 25	2021	Away San Jose, CA	W40-9	Links
Saturday, November 30	2019	Away San Jose, CA	L16-17	Links
Saturday, November 24	2018	Home Fresno, CA	W31-13	Links
Saturday, October 7	2017	Away San Jose, CA	W27-10	Links
Saturday, November 26	2016	Home Fresno, Calif.	L14-16	Links
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Saturday, September 26	2015	Away San Jose, Calif.	L23-49	Links
Saturday, November 8	2014	Home Fresno, Calif.	W38-24	Links
Friday, November 29	2013	Away San Jose, Calif.	L52-62	Links
Saturday, November 26	2011	Home Fresno, Calif.	L24-27	Links

The above is Fresno's record against SJSU  since 2011.  How again are you a superior on the field? Like I said Boise can talk crap because they backed it up with results on us.

Why start at 2011 why don't we start all time.

 

 

[doggystyleu2]

On 9/17/2024 at 12:13 PM, SPARTOM said:

Saturday, November 11	2023	Away San Jose, CA	L18-42	Links
Saturday, October 15	2022	Home Fresno, Calif.	W17-10	Links
Thursday, November 25	2021	Away San Jose, CA	W40-9	Links
Saturday, November 30	2019	Away San Jose, CA	L16-17	Links
Saturday, November 24	2018	Home Fresno, CA	W31-13	Links
Saturday, October 7	2017	Away San Jose, CA	W27-10	Links
Saturday, November 26	2016	Home Fresno, Calif.	L14-16	Links
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Saturday, September 26	2015	Away San Jose, Calif.	L23-49	Links
Saturday, November 8	2014	Home Fresno, Calif.	W38-24	Links
Friday, November 29	2013	Away San Jose, Calif.	L52-62	Links
Saturday, November 26	2011	Home Fresno, Calif.	L24-27	Links

The above is Fresno's record against SJSU  since 2011.  How again are you a superior on the field? Like I said Boise can talk crap because they backed it up with results on us.

This threat is not about San Jose Fresno State Head to Head this is about why we were invited to the Pac12 and San Jose not even an afterthought.

[SPARTOM]

On 9/17/2024 at 8:12 PM, doggystyleu2 said:

This threat is not about San Jose Fresno State Head to Head this is about why we were invited to the Pac12 and San Jose not even an afterthought.

And this was a response to a response to a post which basically said good riddance and don't let the door hit you in the ass! I said that only Boise State of the 4 teams leaving has actually proven any type of clear superiority to us on the football field--the percieved seperation only exists in your heads, as usual.  Same thing will happen again this year--both your Bulldogs and the Aztecs will lose to the Spartans!  I was stating that I'm ready to move on with the two Montana schools and/or Texas schools (Texas State and San Antonio) and be done with it for good!  Your move was nothing more than a lateral move, and you will still be competeing with us year every year for the same chance to make the playoffs because you will still always be in the "Group of Five!  Unless you can actually pull Tulane and Memphis (doubtful) you guys have really zero TV markets other than the San Diego area--contrary to your belief you do not own the Sacramento Market, not even close!  I have no clue where you see all that extra money coming from other than believing the silly, misquoted chatter amongst your fans on the internet.  Good luck with filling out your dance card in a couple of years!

Oh by the way in every league, there's only room at the top for one perennial champion, and someone is going to have to take up residency as the perpetual basement dweller--enjoy your new role! :)

[SPARTOM]

On 9/17/2024 at 8:09 PM, doggystyleu2 said:

Why start at 2011 why don't we start all time.

 

 

Same thing--almost 50/50.  I only put going back 12 years because it's more about recent data that really counts.

[sdsu1975]

On 9/16/2024 at 6:55 AM, SPARTOM said:

I'm just tired of Fresno and San Diego's bullcrap who have not proven any type of superiority to us on the gridiron.  Boise is the only team that has our number--we seem to have them beat a lot only to somehow give the game up in the end, so they can talk crap and at least back it up.  

I say good riddance to both the other CSU schoools, and I'm not sure I would want to follow them to the PAC-12 even if invited--I'm so over their crap and inflated egos with nothing to back it up other than SDSU basketball! 

Fresno is a joke when it comes to media following--they claim to carry the Sacramento area, but they don't show up as even a blip on the media radar screen.  Both those schools talk about SJSU's attendance issues (which is true), but they fail to mention that they also are playing in front of mostly empty stadiums--they falsely inflate their numbers just like SJSU.  

I'm ready to invite NMSU, UTEP, and Montana schools, and move on with a nice regional conference that will  be competeing on the same exact level has that new conference for a chance to make the playoffs.  Until results base reality sinks in, they may get a small recruiting bump, but that will quickly subside once the results on paper hit the books.  We might even get a leg up when it comes to recruiting Texas.

The only school that has any type of national attention at all in the new conference is Boise State. Nobody cares about OSU or WSU that's why they were left behind with their small following and media markets.  Outside of California almost nobody could even tell you where or even what state Fresno is in.  Mention SDSU outside of California and there's 50/50 chance they will say Spartans, right?  To be truthful though mention SJSU, chances are 50/50 they would say, Aztecs correct?

I'm thinking this could be a real chance to grow a pretty good conference with UNLV, SJSU, Nevada or one of the new Montana/Dakota schools becoming the new "Boise State."   Someone will rise to the top in our remodeled conference while in the other conference some teams are going to have to fill the perpetual basement dweller role--hoping Fresno enjoys that new role! :)  I really see the move those teams are taking as nothing more than $111 million lateral move--they still will be competing with us every year for the same exact chance to make the playoffs.  I think that they possibly get a leg up the first year or two, but after that... 

To Fresno & San Diego, I say good riddance--enjoy your new role and don't let the door hit you in the ass! 

 

The LACK of funding for SJSU athletics says it all as does their football stadium (WHAT A JOKE). SEE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BroncoOrange]

It's been a while since I came here to comment on anything. I'm surprised not to see any Utah State fans on here complaining. Those guys are utterly screwed and have no chance of moving on. I suspect UNLV will get an invite, but it sounds like the PAC-12 doesn't want anything to do with UNR. So they are going to find a way to try and break that marriage up. I've also heard some reports of Wyoming having a chance. My original thought was the MWC would be able to convince the PAC-2 to comes join the MWC. That certainly didn't happen. I get why they are doing what they are doing. It's about more money and building a stronger football conference. Football is the sport causing all of this expansion. So if you haven't been investing in football or taking it serious your school is going to get left in the dust.

Boise State has been begging to get into a stronger conference for 20 years now and it's finally happening, sort of.... I can see the new PAC-12 being similar to the old MWC before Utah, BYU, and TCU left the conference. Boise never had a chance to be part of that group and we're still trying to play catch up. Money in a lot of ways has ruined college football and unfortunately will probably get worse when the really big schools break away and form some minor league division. Which would be a huge mistake in my opinion, but will probably happen.

[SPARTOM]

On 9/18/2024 at 8:53 AM, sdsu1975 said:

The LACK of funding for SJSU athletics says it all as does their football stadium (WHAT A JOKE). SEE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just so you know Fresno Athletics are in much worse finacial shape than SJSU's.  Our stadium is different that's for sure, and I'm not convinced that we made the right decision with the design, but the new facilities seem to be a hit with potential recruits.  I think the plan is to add future seats, but who really knows?  Don't forget people used to talk the same way about the Blue field up in Boise.  I will give you SDSU has more to offer to the new conference than any of the other schools in it including WSU and OSU.  Next one would probably be CSU in my opinion.  I see nothing Fresno really offers: Crumbling concrete stadium (look like a prison), low attendance (gang members barking and threating visitors in crowd), no television market, finacially strapped athletic department, academically inferior.

*Snap Dragon Stadium--was partially funded by philanthropic donations, but it's mostly funded by bonds which are supposed to be paid back via revenue generated by the facility including ticket revenue, naming rights and concessions--Judging from your attendance so far at your bright, shiny new stadium good luck with that last part.  
**SJSU has a balanced budget, while the Jerseys worn by the Bulldogs are not the only thing playing in red at Fresno!  

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 9/17/2024 at 11:21 AM, roughrider said:

Ok expert.   Media consultant types who actually work in the industry suggest $10-12M annually from TV.  

Time will tell but point being you have an opinion too.

I’m not trying to act like a know it all or anything, I apologize.  Just trying to make it make sense.  I’ve seen one credible place (an ESPN article) that said the PAC2 expect to get somewhere north of $10m/school.  The very following sentence in that article said essentially ‘it remains to be seen if that’s realistic’.  Not sure what any of those schools have earned, respectfully, to garner that kind of raise when there’s no precedent of that kind of raise anyway coupled with the reality that the schools involved haven’t exactly been making things happen in the playoff era to begin with.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 9/17/2024 at 12:22 PM, Steve1969 said:

Wow so bitter. Okay, so San Diego State qualified for a Bowl for 13 years in a row. In the most recent years, they defeated Arizona, Arizona State twice, Utah, Stanford, and UCLA, and they were in the top 25 three or four times. They crushed both Houston and Cincinnati in bowl games. From 2010 to 2023 San Diego State's winning percentage is ranked 20th at 6353. Fresno has won eight games 8 times or more in that period. Not to shabby if you ask me.

The AAC gets $7 million per team (6.94) Wilner estimates 10+-11 million.

 

Wilner of full of crap.  He knows his audience and is trying to generate clicks.

[doggystyleu2]

On 9/18/2024 at 4:24 AM, SPARTOM said:

And this was a response to a response to a post which basically said good riddance and don't let the door hit you in the ass! I said that only Boise State of the 4 teams leaving has actually proven any type of clear superiority to us on the football field--the percieved seperation only exists in your heads, as usual.  Same thing will happen again this year--both your Bulldogs and the Aztecs will lose to the Spartans!  I was stating that I'm ready to move on with the two Montana schools and/or Texas schools (Texas State and San Antonio) and be done with it for good!  Your move was nothing more than a lateral move, and you will still be competeing with us year every year for the same chance to make the playoffs because you will still always be in the "Group of Five!  Unless you can actually pull Tulane and Memphis (doubtful) you guys have really zero TV markets other than the San Diego area--contrary to your belief you do not own the Sacramento Market, not even close!  I have no clue where you see all that extra money coming from other than believing the silly, misquoted chatter amongst your fans on the internet.  Good luck with filling out your dance card in a couple of years!

Oh by the way in every league, there's only room at the top for one perennial champion, and someone is going to have to take up residency as the perpetual basement dweller--enjoy your new role! :)

Okay unlike your team you're the winner

[Dogs4Me]

On 9/18/2024 at 7:01 AM, SPARTOM said:

Just so you know Fresno Athletics are in much worse finacial shape than SJSU's.  Our stadium is different that's for sure, and I'm not convinced that we made the right decision with the design, but the new facilities seem to be a hit with potential recruits.  I think the plan is to add future seats, but who really knows?  Don't forget people used to talk the same way about the Blue field up in Boise.  I will give you SDSU has more to offer to the new conference than any of the other schools in it including WSU and OSU.  Next one would probably be CSU in my opinion.  I see nothing Fresno really offers: Crumbling concrete stadium (look like a prison), low attendance (gang members barking and threating visitors in crowd), no television market, finacially strapped athletic department, academically inferior.

*Snap Dragon Stadium--was partially funded by philanthropic donations, but it's mostly funded by bonds which are supposed to be paid back via revenue generated by the facility including ticket revenue, naming rights and concessions--Judging from your attendance so far at your bright, shiny new stadium good luck with that last part.  
**SJSU has a balanced budget, while the Jerseys worn by the Bulldogs are not the only thing playing in red at Fresno!  

Wasn’t there some data floating around earlier this year that showed Fresno AD operating in the black and getting good value for the monies spent? Since you’re making the claim about them operating in the red, I will leave it to you to mine that info…who knows, I could be wrong, just like the stadium plan at SJSU.

[doggystyleu2]

On 9/18/2024 at 4:42 AM, SPARTOM said:

Same thing--almost 50/50.  I only put going back 12 years because it's more about recent data that really counts.

So what's the point San Jose is still relevant.

[doggystyleu2]

On 9/18/2024 at 7:01 AM, SPARTOM said:

Just so you know Fresno Athletics are in much worse finacial shape than SJSU's.  Our stadium is different that's for sure, and I'm not convinced that we made the right decision with the design, but the new facilities seem to be a hit with potential recruits.  I think the plan is to add future seats, but who really knows?  Don't forget people used to talk the same way about the Blue field up in Boise.  I will give you SDSU has more to offer to the new conference than any of the other schools in it including WSU and OSU.  Next one would probably be CSU in my opinion.  I see nothing Fresno really offers: Crumbling concrete stadium (look like a prison), low attendance (gang members barking and threating visitors in crowd), no television market, finacially strapped athletic department, academically inferior.

*Snap Dragon Stadium--was partially funded by philanthropic donations, but it's mostly funded by bonds which are supposed to be paid back via revenue generated by the facility including ticket revenue, naming rights and concessions--Judging from your attendance so far at your bright, shiny new stadium good luck with that last part.  
**SJSU has a balanced budget, while the Jerseys worn by the Bulldogs are not the only thing playing in red at Fresno!  

San Jose is a mud hole you don't have to spend much money on a mud hole.

[SPARTOM]

On 9/18/2024 at 11:55 PM, doggystyleu2 said:

So what's the point San Jose is still relevant.

It was a respone to a question from an earlier post, duh!