Five years from now, will we have a Pac-12 and a Mountain West?

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 6/22/2024 at 1:53 AM, utenation said:

Nope. Telling another poster you’re not wanted on a new board isn’t speaking to you. It’s trying to keep your stench away. 
 
it’s worked great so far and you should keep it that way. 

 

telling =/= speaking.  Ok Ute.  You didn’t have to give examples of why you need such a short memory so quickly lol.  Welcome back, now take a lap.

[utenation]

On 6/22/2024 at 12:21 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

 

telling =/= speaking.  Ok Ute.  You didn’t have to give examples of why you need such a short memory so quickly lol.  Welcome back, now take a lap.

Welcome back? What, do you think you run this place now? LMAO.  A UCF fan?

I’ve been here since 2005. What about you? 

You just keep my name out of your mouth and your keyboard and we will be just fine. 

[Beaver-Poke]

On 6/21/2024 at 9:48 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

That’s a one year stopover, not a media deal that will entice schools to come over.  It doesn’t mention money either.

Yes, it mentions money. Reported to be $1 million per game for the CW broadcasts, probably more for the FOX broadcasts. 

It doesn't matter for how long it is. It's undeniably a media deal. Something you said the Pac-2 did not have. 

OSU and WSU would clearly add value in a merger with the MWC. They are already getting more money as lone entities than every MWC team is as part of a league. They would only enhance the value of the next MWC TV deal.

And the Pac-12 brand is clearly more recognizable, with a lot more history. 

 

 

[Billings]

On 6/22/2024 at 11:10 AM, Beaver-Poke said:

Yes, it mentions money. Reported to be $1 million per game for the CW broadcasts, probably more for the FOX broadcasts. 

It doesn't matter for how long it is. It's undeniably a media deal. Something you said the Pac-2 did not have. 

OSU and WSU would clearly add value in a merger with the MWC. They are already getting more money as lone entities than every MWC team is as part of a league. They would only enhance the value of the next MWC TV deal.

And the Pac-12 brand is clearly more recognizable, with a lot more history. 

 

 

I suspect the $1 million includes what the CW is pay9ing them to produce and broadcast the game using the PAC 12 infrastructure.  That won't be cheap to do.     They are not getting paid $1 million for just each game.  When all is said and done I suspect they are close to the MWC payout when expenses are deducted.

 Interesting that neither OSU or WSU disclosed and financial details of the agreement and said it was about exposure and not $$.    Would love to see the fine print on this contract.  They would be proud of $1 million a game if no production costs and their own infrastructure was not involved.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 6/22/2024 at 2:10 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

Yes, it mentions money. Reported to be $1 million per game for the CW broadcasts, probably more for the FOX broadcasts. 

It doesn't matter for how long it is. It's undeniably a media deal. Something you said the Pac-2 did not have. 

OSU and WSU would clearly add value in a merger with the MWC. They are already getting more money as lone entities than every MWC team is as part of a league. They would only enhance the value of the next MWC TV deal.

And the Pac-12 brand is clearly more recognizable, with a lot more history. 

 

 

For drawing schools in you need a media deal that covers future seasons, not one that expires in 10 months, did you already forget what happened to the pac? Again, what you get this year doesn’t matter.   And on second glance the wording says they’re paying “approximately “ 11m for 11 home games, which goes to you wazzu and whoever you play as well (they aren’t playing you for free).  Not arguing that you won’t get paid by the cw for getting broadcast but you won’t be getting $1m/game.  Plus it doesnt mention anything about who’s actually producing the game? The acc/nfl/etc were on the hook for their own production costs with the cw or through their espn affiliation(which the conference was on the hook for), don’t think cw is footing the bill for you.. not the end of the world cost wise but let’s not misrepresent what you’re getting paid either.

Agree you and wazzu will add value when you move to the mwc.  But even if you were worth 15m/year yourself which you aren’t, otherwise you would’ve gotten half/partial share offer from acc…then that only comes out to about $5m/team average because you aren’t getting more than the other schools and it averages out that way.  The MWC is going to get a raise but it’s not going to be a huge one.  Again $6-7m/team seems about right.  That’s still a 50% raise for them.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 6/22/2024 at 9:34 AM, utenation said:

Welcome back? What, do you think you run this place now? LMAO.  A UCF fan?

I’ve been here since 2005. What about you? 

You just keep my name out of your mouth and your keyboard and we will be just fine. 

You got flexed out long ago,  @utenation/will smith whoever you’re trying to be with your ‘keep name out of mouth’ bit.  I understand why you’re salty, you’ll learn to cope. 

[Chalsean]

On 6/19/2024 at 11:42 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

The Pac-2 schools are owed a combined $253 million by various sources; the Rose Bowl, the CFP, the NCAA, the departing members, and other sources. The NCAA basketball units to each school, which are considerable and far more than the MWC, will be paid out through 2031.

The Pac-12 earned 19 units alone in 2021, payable through 2027. That's a decade of MWC units, in one season. The Pac-12 earned 10 units this year, more than the MWC. If that Pac-12 goes away, much of that money reverts to the departing schools.

A big chunk of the $253 million goes away if the Pac-12 disbands. The Pac-12 is the superior name brand. Stick to the AAC. 

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You keep confusing the P12 legal entity with the name/brand.  The legal entity needs to survive, the name does not.

[OrediggerPoke]

My guess is that there won’t be a MWC Board.  

[Beaver-Poke]

On 6/22/2024 at 3:41 PM, Chalsean said:

You keep confusing the P12 legal entity with the name/brand.  The legal entity needs to survive, the name does not.

The legal entity is the Pacific-12 Conference. The name brand has immense value. Instant recognition. No reason at all to change it, other than perhaps changing the number, as happened when it expanded to 10 and then 12. 

There's a reason the Big Ten remains the Big Ten, with 18 members, and why the Big 12 remains the Big 12 with 14 teams. Instant name recognition. Proven brand. Decades of history. 

OSU and WSU are clearly capable of producing their own games in a cost-efficient manner. They've been doing it for years for the Pac-12 Network, which survives specifically for this purpose. 

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

Ironically Oregon state and wazzu could’ve gotten more money by just filling their schedule with p4 body bag games.  They would’ve gotten better exposure on the other conferences networks and not had to foot the cost of production.

[Beaver-Poke]

On 6/22/2024 at 8:16 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Ironically Oregon state and wazzu could’ve gotten more money by just filling their schedule with p4 body bag games.  They would’ve gotten better exposure on the other conferences networks and not had to foot the cost of production.

Yeah, that would have been a brilliant move. Absolutely freaking brilliant. Don't quit your day job. 

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 6/22/2024 at 11:25 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

Yeah, that would have been a brilliant move. Absolutely freaking brilliant. Don't quit your day job. 

I won’t! But it’s still true..would’ve taken the sting out of your home slate issues.  Still get cw and some mwc crossovers but then cash those road game checks since you’re not going to the playoffs anyway.  That money will come in handy in your transition to g5.

Pivoting a little, where do you stand on your schools decision to play baseball independently next season? Has it had much of an effect on you re: portal/HS commits/etc?

[Beaver-Poke]

On 6/22/2024 at 9:25 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

I won’t! But it’s still true..would’ve taken the sting out of your home slate issues.  Still get cw and some mwc crossovers but then cash those road game checks since you’re not going to the playoffs anyway.  That money will come in handy in your transition to g5.

Pivoting a little, where do you stand on your schools decision to play baseball independently next season? Has it had much of an effect on you re: portal/HS commits/etc?

So far no one of note has entered the portal. A couple backups and a 4th-year catcher who wasn't going to play much next season anyways. 

I am a longtime season-ticket holder. Not in favor of independent. Going to mean fewer home games, no conference title to play for, so by eliminating the possibility of an auto berth by winning the conference there is one less way to advance to NCAAs, which is the ultimate goal.

But with fewer home games the season ticket might not be as expensive. Two of us is about $900, even with a senior (60+) discount. 

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 6/23/2024 at 4:08 AM, Beaver-Poke said:

So far no one of note has entered the portal. A couple backups and a 4th-year catcher who wasn't going to play much next season anyways. 

I am a longtime season-ticket holder. Not in favor of independent. Going to mean fewer home games, no conference title to play for, so by eliminating the possibility of an auto berth by winning the conference there is one less way to advance to NCAAs, which is the ultimate goal.

But with fewer home games the season ticket might not be as expensive. Two of us is about $900, even with a senior (60+) discount. 

You would think it would probably only hurt your chances of hosting a regional, think you’ll still be at large assuming you perform well of course.  Not a huge deal but is an impediment to making it to the supers I guess. First season having season passes for me! Excited for next year.  

[Chalsean]

On 6/22/2024 at 8:26 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

The legal entity is the Pacific-12 Conference. The name brand has immense value. Instant recognition. No reason at all to change it, other than perhaps changing the number, as happened when it expanded to 10 and then 12. 

There's a reason the Big Ten remains the Big Ten, with 18 members, and why the Big 12 remains the Big 12 with 14 teams. Instant name recognition. Proven brand. Decades of history. 

OSU and WSU are clearly capable of producing their own games in a cost-efficient manner. They've been doing it for years for the Pac-12 Network, which survives specifically for this purpose. 

None of the money owed to P12, credits or otherwise, has anything to do with the name brand.  At all.  That money is owed to the legal entity that can call itself "Purple People Eaters" if they want.  The money owed and what brand is used are separate conversations.  A reverse merger will need to occur for the legal entity to remain viable, but the conference can be named whatever.

[Beaver-Poke]

On 6/23/2024 at 8:05 AM, Chalsean said:

None of the money owed to P12, credits or otherwise, has anything to do with the name brand.  At all.  That money is owed to the legal entity that can call itself "Purple People Eaters" if they want.  The money owed and what brand is used are separate conversations.  A reverse merger will need to occur for the legal entity to remain viable, but the conference can be named whatever.

No shit. I get it. But the Pac name has the brand, history and name recognition and it would be foolish to change it. 

[nvspuds]

If there are MW schools fixin' to leave for the Pac (some as yet undetermined number), don't they have to publicly announce that sometime this week to get the 2 years notice fee of 17 million bucks. Probably a dumb question but I am asking for a friend.

[Shaker]

They have to declare their intent to leave the MWC by June 30 if they plan to leave and start play in the PAC for the 2025 season and only pay the $17million. After June 30 it goes to $34 million. If a team plans on leaving and starting to play in 2026 with the PAC they have until June 30, 2025 to declare their intentions. 

Buy out after that is unknown as the amount is not an established number but tied to the money from media rights. Could be more and could be less.

But watch what happens with the FSU/ACC lawsuit.  If FSU wins that case look for the same type of lawsuit from departing MWC teams and the same result from the lawsuit.

 

[Billings]

On 6/23/2024 at 11:54 AM, Shaker said:

They have to declare their intent to leave the MWC by June 30 if they plan to leave and start play in the PAC for the 2025 season and only pay the $17million. After June 30 it goes to $34 million. If a team plans on leaving and starting to play in 2026 with the PAC they have until June 30, 2025 to declare their intentions. 

Buy out after that is unknown as the amount is not an established number but tied to the money from media rights. Could be more and could be less.

But watch what happens with the FSU/ACC lawsuit.  If FSU wins that case look for the same type of lawsuit from departing MWC teams and the same result from the lawsuit.

 

yes but the GOR in the ACC is not really the same thing as the MWC exit fees.  not sure it is apples to oranges there

[nvspuds]

On 6/23/2024 at 11:54 AM, Shaker said:

They have to declare their intent to leave the MWC by June 30 if they plan to leave and start play in the PAC for the 2025 season and only pay the $17million. After June 30 it goes to $34 million. If a team plans on leaving and starting to play in 2026 with the PAC they have until June 30, 2025 to declare their intentions. 

Buy out after that is unknown as the amount is not an established number but tied to the money from media rights. Could be more and could be less.

But watch what happens with the FSU/ACC lawsuit.  If FSU wins that case look for the same type of lawsuit from departing MWC teams and the same result from the lawsuit.

 

That ACC lawsuit won't be happening this week.  It may not come this year or next.  A MW lawsuit could happen and maybe even sooner than the ACC.  However, if the departing schools want to depart with 2 years notice to the Pac for fall 2026, they have to announce that this week.  17 million is cheaper than 34 million..