Five years from now, will we have a Pac-12 and a Mountain West?

[Nevada Convert]

On 6/14/2024 at 8:55 AM, Brew_Poke said:

They're tossing @Nevada Convert to his death?

0/10 

That was just lazy & bad. You can do better. 

[smithy]

On 6/13/2024 at 9:07 PM, Spaztecs said:

 

The concrete stands from the open end of the Bowl remain. Seems like a great spot for a sacrifice. 

 

 

They could have put a stage on one end and add more seating and it would be a cool outdoor music venue.

[agswin]

On 6/2/2024 at 10:49 AM, Beaver-Poke said:

The only realistic full-time, long-lasting merger ever considered is with the MWC. Partnering with the WCC is simply a temporary band aid.

Are you calling your own conference (and by extension, your school) second-rate? I certainly don't and see a Pac-2/MWC merger as the only way forward that makes any academic, competitive and financial sense. A regional conference of like-minded schools, with pretty similar athletic budgets. Just do it and move on so we're ready to go full-bore in 2026-27. 

Stanford is not coming back. Its ego is too massive, and it is rich enough to survive as an independent if it has to. Cal might come back, someday, after it goes further into debt, even though there are a number of academic pinheads there who think they are too good for OSU/WSU/MWC.

I agree.  Realistically, the favored option for the MWC, would be for WSU/OSU to be joining the MWC in all sports as the 13th and 14th member. 

In the grand scheme, I suppose I don't really care if it is under the PAC umbrella, or the MWC umbrella.

Looks like there are some positive justifcations for each side.

 

[agswin]

On 6/18/2024 at 9:13 PM, smithy said:

They could have put a stage on one end and add more seating and it would be a cool outdoor music venue.

Definitely looks like a grand spot for sacrificing virgins by chucking them to their death!

I mean, the open crater of a volcano would also be dandy.  But do not downplay the drama of a retired college baskretball arena/football stadium                 . 

 

[Beaver-Poke]

On 6/19/2024 at 3:32 PM, agswin said:

I agree.  Realistically, the favored option for the MWC, would be for WSU/OSU to be joining the MWC in all sports as the 13th and 14th member. 

In the grand scheme, I suppose I don't really care if it is under the PAC umbrella, or the MWC umbrella.

Looks like there are some positive justifcations for each side.

 

The financial ramifications of shuttering the Pac-12 are humongous. Not so much with shuttering the MWC. 

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 6/19/2024 at 9:54 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

The financial ramifications of shuttering the Pac-12 are humongous. Not so much with shuttering the MWC. 

There are no financial ramifications for the pac, it’s dead.  The mwc is alive and well, even thriving in bball.  There may be some residual money that you and wazzu could realize for a couple years but that affects nobody but you, which isn’t enough.  

[Beaver-Poke]

On 6/19/2024 at 9:50 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

There are no financial ramifications for the pac, it’s dead.  The mwc is alive and well, even thriving in bball.  There may be some residual money that you and wazzu could realize for a couple years but that affects nobody but you, which isn’t enough.  

The Pac-2 schools are owed a combined $253 million by various sources; the Rose Bowl, the CFP, the NCAA, the departing members, and other sources. The NCAA basketball units to each school, which are considerable and far more than the MWC, will be paid out through 2031.

The Pac-12 earned 19 units alone in 2021, payable through 2027. That's a decade of MWC units, in one season. The Pac-12 earned 10 units this year, more than the MWC. If that Pac-12 goes away, much of that money reverts to the departing schools.

A big chunk of the $253 million goes away if the Pac-12 disbands. The Pac-12 is the superior name brand. Stick to the AAC. 

Ten Departing Pac-12 Schools Will Pay a Portion for Potential Legal Liabilities - Sports Illustrated Cal Bears News, Analysis and More

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 6/20/2024 at 1:42 AM, Beaver-Poke said:

The Pac-2 schools are owed a combined $253 million by various sources; the Rose Bowl, the CFP, the NCAA, the departing members, and other sources. The NCAA basketball units to each school, which are considerable and far more than the MWC, will be paid out through 2031.

The Pac-12 earned 19 units alone in 2021, payable through 2027. That's a decade of MWC units, in one season. The Pac-12 earned 10 units this year, more than the MWC. If that Pac-12 goes away, much of that money reverts to the departing schools.

A big chunk of the $253 million goes away if the Pac-12 disbands. The Pac-12 is the superior name brand. Stick to the AAC. 

Ten Departing Pac-12 Schools Will Pay a Portion for Potential Legal Liabilities - Sports Illustrated Cal Bears News, Analysis and More

You literally just confirmed what I said in the post you quoted.  You’re so emotionally invested, which is understandable because it hits close to home for you, but what you’re hoping happens just isn’t practical.  Nobody, mwc..media partners..Gloria…etc care what can return you and wazzu the most money.  It just isn’t a priority.  And no, the PAC name is done.

Try to think about this not from the perspective of a wazzu/beav fan.. why would anyone else want to accommodate what you seek? What you suggest benefits no one but yourself, it’s not going to work for you.  What happens when your conference waiver expires in (now less than) two years? You’re not getting another one after that.  You’ll have to expand to keep collecting and the mwc schools would lose money joining you.  Forget that you have no media deal to pay them anyway, and static credits/etc with no future are not sufficient means of revenue to entice schools to leave their situation, their presidents would get fired if they signed off on a switch without a means of actual revenue generation.  

[agswin]

Meh...  I see this as a pretty open and shut transaction.

OSU and WSU are in a pickle.  That much  is self-evident.

If the MWC can help OSU/WSU without taking on additional financial obligations due to the demise of the PAC, I am all for it and it would be great if the MWC can help them out.

The MWC should not admit WSU/OSU on a no entrance fee basis. 

The conference bylaws are in place for a reason, and when we start doing special carve-outs like HAIR did with BSU, we end up de-stabilizing the conference. 

If there are substantial financial obligations resulting from the demise of the PAC, those should have been addressed in the past and should be addressed moving forward by the PAC and the PAC alone.

These are not MWC obligations.

 

 

[Beaver-Poke]

Which league has better national name recognition? The Pac-12, by a long shot. 

OSU/WSU are going to get about $1 million per game from the CW for their football broadcasts. For OSU, that's $6 million (one home game is on Fox and will undoubtedly pay more). That's more than every MWC team is getting now. Adding WSU and OSU only increases the attraction of the new TV deal.

I am not advocating "destabilizing" the MWC. Complete, total reverse merger, with all 11 teams being invited. 

 

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 6/20/2024 at 3:26 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

Which league has better national name recognition? The Pac-12, by a long shot. 

OSU/WSU are going to get about $1 million per game from the CW for their football broadcasts. For OSU, that's $6 million (one home game is on Fox and will undoubtedly pay more). That's more than every MWC team is getting now. Adding WSU and OSU only increases the attraction of the new TV deal.

I am not advocating "destabilizing" the MWC. Complete, total reverse merger, with all 11 teams being invited. 

 

HAD better name recognition.  No one will pay you for the past though.  Where is your source for $1m/game for beavs? I don’t see that being a thing, respectfully.  I would expect to get rolled into the new mwc deal at around 6-7m/team/year average.  There’s not many buyers out there and CW isn’t a money grab opp, it’s purely exposure.  You still keep glossing over that you can’t afford the mwc teams, no reverse merger.

[Beaver-Poke]

Not glossing over anything. A reverse merger encompassing all 11 MWC teams would be free of charge and require no exit fees on anyone's part. 

The Pac-12 will always be a national brand. Just like the Eagles or the Rolling Stones, who have changed membership often over the decades. From today's John Canzano column:

• The Mountain West Conference members covet the Pac-12’s brand. As one MWC athletic director told me: “Everybody knows the Pac-12, whether it’s the same Pac-12 or not. What did the Big 12 look like before? It’s not the same conference anymore, but it’s still the Big 12. That would be where we want to go.”

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 6/20/2024 at 5:54 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

Not glossing over anything. A reverse merger encompassing all 11 MWC teams would be free of charge and require no exit fees on anyone's part. 

The Pac-12 will always be a national brand. Just like the Eagles or the Rolling Stones, who have changed membership often over the decades. From today's John Canzano column:

• The Mountain West Conference members covet the Pac-12’s brand. As one MWC athletic director told me: “Everybody knows the Pac-12, whether it’s the same Pac-12 or not. What did the Big 12 look like before? It’s not the same conference anymore, but it’s still the Big 12. That would be where we want to go.”

Canzano is an actual clown that has gotten nothing right as it relates to realignment.  Nothing.  Utenation has gotten more right than him, that’s how bad Canzano is.

You are glossing over it; you have no media deal.  Even if the mwc schools wanted to leave a good situation to join your conference for the name no school will willingly leave a conference for another one that can’t pay them.  It’s a chicken and the egg thing: you can’t attract schools without a media deal and you can’t get a media deal without enough schools to fill a conference.  The PAC is dead.

[Beaver-Poke]

'Pac-2' TV deal: WSU, OSU partner with Fox, The CW for 13 homes games (mercurynews.com)

Sounds like a media deal to me. With more money than the MWC teams will receive this year. 

[smithy]

Don't forget the MW is get a hefty stipend from the Pac so the difference is not as great. Not to mention the WCC for all their other sports.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 6/21/2024 at 2:49 AM, Beaver-Poke said:

'Pac-2' TV deal: WSU, OSU partner with Fox, The CW for 13 homes games (mercurynews.com)

Sounds like a media deal to me. With more money than the MWC teams will receive this year. 

That’s a one year stopover, not a media deal that will entice schools to come over.  It doesn’t mention money either.

[utenation]

On 6/20/2024 at 9:35 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Utenation has gotten more right than him, that’s how bad Canzano is.

 

More proof I live in your head rent free bubba. I haven’t even spoke to you in months you little fruit fly.  You’ve been beat to a pulp by several posters. 
 

It’s funny. On the other board where you’re not invited, nobody brings your name or school up.   EVER. 
 

it’s absolutely refreshing.  You’re seriously the only UCF fan I’ve ever seen on the internet. Sad really that you’ve ruined the reputation of your school all by yourself. 

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 6/22/2024 at 1:04 AM, utenation said:

More proof I live in your head rent free bubba. I haven’t even spoke to you in months you little fruit fly.  You’ve been beat to a pulp by several posters. 
 

It’s funny. On the other board where you’re not invited, nobody brings your name or school up.   EVER. 
 

it’s absolutely refreshing.  You’re seriously the only UCF fan I’ve ever seen on the internet. Sad really that you’ve ruined the reputation of your school all by yourself. 

Welcome back loser.  You last spoke to me June 6th so it hasn’t exactly been months, though we all understand why you need to have a short memory…with your track record and all…

[utenation]

On 6/21/2024 at 11:15 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Welcome back loser.

Rent free. I don’t even need to be here for you to have Utenation PTSD.  
 

The beatings were clearly that bad. 

[utenation]

On 6/21/2024 at 11:15 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

You last spoke to me June 6th. 

Nope. Telling another poster you’re not wanted on a new board isn’t speaking to you. It’s trying to keep your stench away. 
 
it’s worked great so far and you should keep it that way.