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On 5/17/2024 at 11:18 AM, RSF said:

Nothing, because CW doesnt do that.  CW has the same deal with the ACC (Raycom is producing).  Even LIV Golf is producing their CW broadcasts.  WWE is handling production when the CW takes over NXT broadcasts in the fall.

Agree. CW does not produce their sports content.  Their channel affiliates do not even have to air it if they don't want to.

 

On 5/17/2024 at 11:23 AM, utenation said:

My point was strictly from a cost standpoint.  With that said, sounds like a good match for the P2. 
 

Back to my original point. I don’t think this arrangement is going to break the bank for the P2. 

My point was production costs may totally offset any income from the CW.  There may be no $$ gain at all for the PAC 2 for the CW deal.  Maybe they can leverage the PAC 12 studio to try and generate revenue but that remains to be seen.  You are correct the contract will tell if we ever see it.

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On 5/17/2024 at 6:15 PM, Brew_Poke said:

Why? I know exactly one person who has cable: my 77 year old mom, and she ain't watching MW games.

Exposure. People have live tv streaming apps. I have Hulu live TV, not cable. If you go with a specific app., the general public has to go out of their way to view your game plus they would need to be paying for it. Unless apps like Netflix or Apple TV want to overpay for MW games, it's not worth losing the exposure you'd get from OTA or cable networks.

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On 5/17/2024 at 3:41 PM, utenation said:

I wonder if Fox still wants more continued late night western slots? Like you said, they have the Western B10 schools and the B12 has the 4 corners and BYU. Is that enough?

I'm sure the MWC will start with Fox/CBS and go from there. Just a guess.

Fox has late night Western spots with the four West Coast Schools. No need to buy MW content.

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On 5/21/2024 at 3:57 PM, Spaztecs said:

Fox has late night Western spots with the four West Coast Schools. No need to buy MW content.

Yep, can't wait for Oregon vs Maryland or UCLA vs Rutgers 

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On 5/21/2024 at 3:57 PM, Spaztecs said:

Fox has late night Western spots with the four West Coast Schools. No need to buy MW content.

I think I’ll wait and see. I certainly don’t know what Fox Sports wants and are saying behind closed doors. 

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On 5/21/2024 at 4:53 PM, Chalsean said:

Yep, can't wait for Oregon vs Maryland or UCLA vs Rutgers 

lol. These networks driving realignment certainly didn’t give a shit about fans when they got their butcher knives out, right?

UCLA can’t even fill their own stadium so I guess there’s no need to worry about their fan’s travel woes for those games. 

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On 5/21/2024 at 5:53 PM, Chalsean said:

Yep, can't wait for Oregon vs Maryland or UCLA vs Rutgers 

Neither of which will be happening annually.  And will be on BTN anyways.

 

On 5/21/2024 at 5:58 PM, utenation said:

lol. These networks driving realignment certainly didn’t give a shit about fans when they got their butcher knives out, right?

UCLA can’t even fill their own stadium so I guess there’s no need to worry about their fan’s travel woes for those games. 

The idea that new B10 West was ever sending more than a small group of fans to road games is pretty funny. 

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On 5/21/2024 at 5:04 PM, RSF said:

Neither of which will be happening annually.  And will be on BTN anyways.

 

The idea that new B10 West was ever sending more than a small group of fans to road games is pretty funny. 

Fans still go. But lumbering student athletes across the country over and over for conference games is the problem. 

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On 5/21/2024 at 5:08 PM, utenation said:

Some Fans still go. But lumbering student athletes across the country over and over for conference games is the problem. 

I fixed it for you.  I do think a lot of west coast football fans in general will lose interest for teams that no longer represent the Pac12.  Not diehard USC or UCLA fans, but the casual fan immersed in the Pac 12.  Stanford just became less interesting to those folks IMO.

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On 5/21/2024 at 8:46 PM, Headbutt said:

I fixed it for you.  I do think a lot of west coast football fans in general will lose interest for teams that no longer represent the Pac12.  Not diehard USC or UCLA fans, but the casual fan immersed in the Pac 12.  Stanford just became less interesting to those folks IMO.

Yeah. Agree. Which was kinda my point on things getting ruined.  I’m not going to games in Orlando, Houston, WVU or Cincy. 
 

BTW, I’m not sure UCLA has diehard football fans. Their attendance the last 5 years or so is barely better than top MWC teams. 
 

The Rosebowl is neat and all for New Years etc but the stadium is pretty much a dump. Worst site lines in any stadium I’ve been to. 

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On 5/21/2024 at 4:04 PM, RSF said:

Neither of which will be happening annually.  And will be on BTN anyways.

 

The idea that new B10 West was ever sending more than a small group of fans to road games is pretty funny. 

There are thousands and thousands of Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska and Iowa ex-pats living in Southern California who (at least at first) will flock to the Coliseum or the Rose Bowl to watch their home-state teams or their alma maters play. So they don't need to travel, a healthy fan base is already established in Southern California. 

UCLA hosts Maryland/Rutgers three times in the next five years. USC gers Rutgers, Maryland, Northwestern, Illinois and Indiana. Hardly attractive to the UCLA/USC fanbase. 

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On 5/21/2024 at 4:53 PM, Chalsean said:

Yep, can't wait for Oregon vs Maryland or UCLA vs Rutgers 

It will get better ratings than Boise- Wyoming or UNM - Sparty. By a country mile. 

The Networks amd NCAA don't care diddly about the G5.  It's dead to them. It doesn't make enough money to bother. Yes, the G5 will still be seen on the smaller cable networks. ESPN+, Cbssports, etc. But don't hold your breath about being on Big Fox or CBS. The are very few in our most populous tv markets are staying up late to watch UNR and Hawaii. Trust me on this one.

Also, I won't be surprised if the next MW TV Deal is meager on the dollars, high on Schools picking up the production costs. It's the way of late stage Capitalism. It's all about the ROI.

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On 5/21/2024 at 7:46 PM, Headbutt said:

I fixed it for you.  I do think a lot of west coast football fans in general will lose interest for teams that no longer represent the Pac12.  Not diehard USC or UCLA fans, but the casual fan immersed in the Pac 12.  Stanford just became less interesting to those folks IMO.

Not that Stanford was deemed very interesting to begin with. Outside of the annual ND game I guess. 2023 TV viewership link below, guess I didn't post it here previously. Interesting numbers, albeit only one year.

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On 5/22/2024 at 10:24 AM, Loyal Coug said:

Not that Stanford was deemed very interesting to begin with. Outside of the annual ND game I guess. 2023 TV viewership link below, guess I didn't post it here previously. Interesting numbers, albeit only one year.

Which college football programs were most-watched in 2023? | Run It Back With Zach (medium.com)

Stanford is an odd duck.  You’ll see their sweat shirts all over the airports but they haven’t been able to fill their 50k stadium for years. 
 

Talk to these people about football and they will start rambling about Director’s Cup Standings. Harbaugh and Shaw brought some life to the program but it’s easy to see why their football program fades into irrelevance so easily. 
 

Shaw was the captain of a rudderless ship the last half of his time at Stanford. 

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On 5/22/2024 at 9:43 AM, utenation said:

Stanford is an odd duck.  You’ll see their sweat shirts all over the airports but they haven’t been able to fill their 50k stadium for years. 
 

Talk to these people about football and they will start rambling about Director’s Cup Standings. Harbaugh and Shaw brought some life to the program but it’s easy to see why their football program fades into irrelevance so easily. 
 

Shaw was the captain of a rudderless ship the last half of his time at Stanford. 

I don't find it odd that people are proud of their University even if they are not sports fans.   I think those of us into sports miss that.  When I wear Wyo gear it is not always about the sports teams.

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On 5/22/2024 at 11:08 AM, Billings said:

I don't find it odd that people are proud of their University even if they are not sports fans.   I think those of us into sports miss that.  When I wear Wyo gear it is not always about the sports teams.

Yeah, I get that. But we are talking about TV numbers, fans and sports. 

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On 5/22/2024 at 10:08 AM, Billings said:

I don't find it odd that people are proud of their University even if they are not sports fans.   I think those of us into sports miss that.  When I wear Wyo gear it is not always about the sports teams.

Many people wearing that Stanford gear have no association with the school at all. A school with only 8K undergrads just can't have that many alums. 

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1 hour ago, Beaver-Poke said:

Many people wearing that Stanford gear have no association with the school at all. A school with only 8K undergrads just can't have that many alums. 

This^.   All these well known schools are brands. 

The schools do plenty of their own marketing to help their branding but much of the branding was done by the TV networks over the past 50 years.  TV exposure is a big plus when it comes to branding.  In that sense, much of what we are seeing today is a self/TV fulfilling prophecy.

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On 5/21/2024 at 8:57 PM, utenation said:

Yeah. Agree. Which was kinda my point on things getting ruined.  I’m not going to games in Orlando, Houston, WVU or Cincy. 
 

BTW, I’m not sure UCLA has diehard football fans. Their attendance the last 5 years or so is barely better than top MWC teams. 
 

The Rose Bowl and the LA Colosseum are interesting historical venues for New Years day bowls.  From what I have experienced at both stadiums, they are getting pretty long in the tooth and not really great places to watch football games.

In fact, both now are pretty much dumps, with sight lines approaching the level of awfulness of the BSU stadium.

Fun, interesting venerable venues, for sure.  Fun to visit from a history perspective as any other.

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On 5/21/2024 at 4:08 PM, utenation said:

Fans still go. But lumbering student athletes across the country over and over for conference games is the problem. 

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