Free Palestine College Protests

[utenation]

On 5/14/2024 at 10:15 AM, grandjean87 said:

What do you think of Paul Manafort rejoining the '24 Trump campaign?  

Was the Treasury's (current) actions in blocking the unfreezing of Deripaska's assets justified? 

"WASHINGTON — Today (05.14.24), the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) designated one Russian individual and three Russia-based companies involved in an attempted sanctions evasion scheme in which an opaque and complex supposed divestment could have unfrozen more than $1.5 billion worth of shares belonging to U.S.-designated Russian oligarch Oleg Vladimirovich Deripaska(Deripaska)."

Will old Paul send another friendly e-mail to Oleg Vlad like he did in 2016?

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22082840-24th-mueller-foia-release-220601

 

 

[grandjean87]

On 5/14/2024 at 10:27 AM, utenation said:

 

Occasionally, for you, I go Samurai.  

[Nevada Convert]

On 4/30/2024 at 6:26 AM, Akkula said:

Can someone explain all this to me?  

What is the deal with the term, "Zionists."  I mean I thought those were people who wanted a Jewish homeland.  Hasn't that already happened?  Why is that term even thrown around?  This is kind of like the ChiComs calling themselves "Revolutionaries" and those who oppose them "Counter-Revolutionaries."  I mean, how the hell do we pretend to call someone who is firmly and completely dominant within their borders and outside their borders as some kind of persecuted minority?  IMO, the term "zionist" probably needs to go into history like the term "negro" at least for those who support Israel within its current borders.  

And WTF is up with these idiot protestors?  They are basically acting as if every Jew is in lock step in their beliefs about Israel and all the rest.  They seem as unreasonable, maximalist and ineffective as the Arabs/Palestinians were during the formation of Israel.  From my understanding of history the arabs/palestinians were not going to "play ball" at all with the Jews and eventually got "rolled."  The Jews were seemingly more reasonable at the time in the eyes of the international community and had sympathy.  Israel is FAST burning through this international good-will. 

And why aren't these protesters considering history.   Basically a bunch of white Europeans decided to rob some brown people of land to give to Jews instead of slicing off a piece of Europe, no?  Can you really blame Jews for taking that deal?  The history kind of sucks but we have to remember that this type of shit happened a lot until the USA got global hegemony about forcibly switching borders.  The Soviets literally stole Kaliningrad from the Germans and made them all leave. 

The whole USA is built on "stolen" land.  The Jews can realistically say the Muslims "stole it first."  We can't just go back into the past to cherry pick things further and further into antiquity.  We have to really look at the post WWII era and recognize the battles of defense the Israelis faced to consider the territory.

Israel and its right-wing government royally screwed up.  The term "zionist" should really be applied to the right wingers and settlers who continue to invade Palestinian territory.  You can say the state of Israel may be committing acts that could be construed as genocide or genocide adjacent.  But what the students at these campuses are doing is the same thing those idiot rednecks did after 9/11 persecuting anyone with a turban!

Why are these students not focused on the myriad other abuses of different people by oppressors in this world?  Why is this issue so large to them.  I thought these supposed elite students could see complexity and grey areas.  Things just aren't black and white and as clean as we would want them.  The "I could solve XYZ in a day" type thinking is Trumpian and idiotic.  

But please...I am not an expert on this part of the world.  What am I missing?  Do these students have a point or are they just making things all about them?         

 

What about Akkula’s than call themselves Leninist’s? That’s pretty odd, too. 

[Jackrabbit]

On 5/14/2024 at 10:11 AM, utenation said:

Jack, talking about head in the sand. Does your wife still tell you what to say and think? 
 

 

I am never shy about  mentioning my wife..a very smart centrist. 

You guys are jealous I have a wife ...you have a hand that talks to you? 

[Jackrabbit]

On 5/14/2024 at 10:15 AM, grandjean87 said:

What do you think of Paul Manafort rejoining the '24 Trump campaign?  

Was the Treasury's (current) actions in blocking the unfreezing of Deripaska's assets justified? 

"WASHINGTON — Today (05.14.24), the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) designated one Russian individual and three Russia-based companies involved in an attempted sanctions evasion scheme in which an opaque and complex supposed divestment could have unfrozen more than $1.5 billion worth of shares belonging to U.S.-designated Russian oligarch Oleg Vladimirovich Deripaska(Deripaska)."

Will old Paul send another friendly e-mail to Oleg Vlad like he did in 2016?

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22082840-24th-mueller-foia-release-220601

 

Don't you think this was investigated to death?

[utenation]

On 5/14/2024 at 1:07 PM, Jackrabbit said:

I am never shy about  mentioning my wife..a very smart centrist. 

You guys are jealous I have a wife ...you have a hand that talks to you? 

Your memory must be slipping Pard. Otherwise you’d remember the conversation we had about this. 
 

This is when you told the board your wife does all your thinking for you. And I told you my lady thinks for herself and I think for myself. 
 

I’m guessing your lady will be helping you change your adult diapers very soon if she doesn’t already. 

[RSF]

On 5/14/2024 at 2:07 PM, Jackrabbit said:

I am never shy about  mentioning my wife..a very smart centrist. 

You guys are jealous I have a wife ...you have a hand that talks to you? 

Sounds like she's as centrist as you are.....

 

 

Jealous?  Hell, we're all happy you at least have someone in the house willing to at least try and use their brain.

[grandjean87]

On 5/14/2024 at 1:13 PM, Jackrabbit said:

Don't you think this was investigated to death?

That's an amazing take.  Were you an extra in The Emperor's New Clothes? 

[Jackrabbit]

On 5/14/2024 at 1:14 PM, utenation said:

Your memory must be slipping Pard. Otherwise you’d remember the conversation we had about this. 
 

This is when you told the board your wife does all your thinking for you. And I told you my lady thinks for herself and I think for myself. 
 

I’m guessing your lady will be helping you change your adult diapers very soon if she doesn’t already. 

You laugh at the same old joke a dozen times....just like my 2 yr old used to.

[RSF]

On 5/14/2024 at 2:39 PM, Jackrabbit said:

You laugh at the same old joke a dozen times....just like my 2 yr old used to.

As long as you keep making the joke relevant, it'll be funny.

[utenation]

On 5/14/2024 at 1:13 PM, Jackrabbit said:

Don't you think this was investigated to death?

 

On 5/14/2024 at 1:33 PM, grandjean87 said:

That's an amazing take.  Were you an extra in The Emperor's New Clothes? 

Hit a dead end did ya Jack? I guess the smoke machine ran out of smoke.  Mirrors broke too. 

[grandjean87]

On 5/14/2024 at 1:59 PM, utenation said:

 

Hit a dead end did ya Jack? I guess the smoke machine ran out of smoke.  Mirrors broke too. 

Jack is Jack. I like him no matter. 

It's just hilarious that anyone posts the phrase "Russia Hoax" after all that investigation.  Top it off w/the recent news including today, and sheesh.  Manafort, btw, apparently is out of working the Republican Convention, but I have not seen a separation from Trump.  The mere fact that he was going to be on the national convention team for a major party...surreal. 

[AztecAlien]

On 5/14/2024 at 1:14 PM, utenation said:

Your memory must be slipping Pard. Otherwise you’d remember the conversation we had about this. 
 

This is when you told the board your wife does all your thinking for you. And I told you my lady thinks for herself and I think for myself. 
 

I’m guessing your lady will be helping you change your adult diapers very soon if she doesn’t already. 

FYI, just because you took a woman on some dates and she started declining others because she couldn't stand you doesn't make her your lady. 

 

 

 

[Jackrabbit]

On 5/14/2024 at 2:15 PM, grandjean87 said:

Jack is Jack. I like him no matter. 

It's just hilarious that anyone posts the phrase "Russia Hoax" after all that investigation.  Top it off w/the recent news including today, and sheesh.  Manafort, btw, apparently is out of working the Republican Convention, but I have not seen a separation from Trump.  The mere fact that he was going to be on the national convention team for a major party...surreal. 

So what was the Mueller Investigation about?

[grandjean87]

On 5/16/2024 at 12:06 PM, Jackrabbit said:

So what was the Mueller Investigation about?

The scope of Mueller was more narrow than the Senate Select Intelligence Committee's bipartisan report (2019).  Mueller was confined mostly to criminality whereas the Senate report included broader matters of intelligence investigation. 

Both reports, and the Senate report (Vol. 5 is where the details are shown in nearly 1,000 pages) even more so, show clear evidence of Russian-Trump Campaign cooperation, encouragement, shared knowledge, and more.  Collusion is that loaded word that has no clear agreed upon meaning.  Forget that term in this matter.  Trump and his campaign were in bed w/the Russians and it wasn't just a one night stand or a quickie.  It was a full blown romantic affair.  

And seriously, Paul Manafort was going to be brought back to advise the Republican Convention this summer?  Even that now discarded plan is more than absurd. 

[Jackrabbit]

On 5/16/2024 at 12:28 PM, grandjean87 said:

The scope of Mueller was more narrow than the Senate Select Intelligence Committee's bipartisan report (2019).  Mueller was confined mostly to criminality whereas the Senate report included broader matters of intelligence investigation. 

Both reports, and the Senate report (Vol. 5 is where the details are shown in nearly 1,000 pages) even more so, show clear evidence of Russian-Trump Campaign cooperation, encouragement, shared knowledge, and more.  Collusion is that loaded word that has no clear agreed upon meaning.  Forget that term in this matter.  Trump and his campaign were in bed w/the Russians and it wasn't just a one night stand or a quickie.  It was a full blown romantic affair.  

And seriously, Paul Manafort was going to be brought back to advise the Republican Convention this summer?  Even that now discarded plan is more than absurd. 

The Ds have some real winners too.   I will look into this...did you actually read this?...when I get some time.

I have hard time believing the Mueller probe was narrow...the dude had power to chase anything.

[grandjean87]

On 5/16/2024 at 5:44 PM, Jackrabbit said:

The Ds have some real winners too.   I will look into this...did you actually read this?...when I get some time.

I have hard time believing the Mueller probe was narrow...the dude had power to chase anything.

Yes, I have read the 2019 report.  I even drove past Sen. Risch's place (R-ID) other night. He played a prominent role.  It's nearly 1000 pages long (V.5), but easy to read certain sections.

I did not say the Mueller Investigation/Report was narrow.  But it was more narrow/limited in scope compared to the Select Senate because that involved broader investigation of intelligence matters. I tend to lean on the Senate report because there's more in it, and it doesn't have the political vibe put on the Mueller Report (even though there is much overlap in findings).  Republican-led. 

There were innumerable false and exaggerated articles, blogs, and broadcasts regarding the Trump-Russia matter.  There is no doubt about that.  Both the pro-Trump and anti-Trump media are guilty of plenty of misinformation and disinformation.  Those false stories and exaggerations, however, do not negate the evidence presented in independent and bipartisan investigative reports such as the two mentioned here. 
 

 

[renoskier]

so, I caught Bill Maher on CNN last night; didn't know that was a thing. I liked this "New Rules" segment.

He dressed down the students protesting against Israel and suggested they should be exhausting their efforts protesting "gender apartheid" practiced by the majority of the Muslim world, including most Palestinians.

 

[sactowndog]

On 6/2/2024 at 5:30 PM, renoskier said:

so, I caught Bill Maher on CNN last night; didn't know that was a thing. I liked this "New Rules" segment.

He dressed down the students protesting against Israel and suggested they should be exhausting their efforts protesting "gender apartheid" practiced by the majority of the Muslim world, including most Palestinians.

 

Bill wants to divert attention from the fact these are the kind of people he supports 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir

 

[soupslam1]

On 6/2/2024 at 9:34 PM, sactowndog said:

Bill wants to divert attention from the fact these are the kind of people he supports 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir

 

You’re supporting men where women are second class citizens and that push gays off roof tops. These same men use women and children as shields.These men you support aren’t good people. Why don’t you create a 100 post thread that addresses that? 

Im betting you require your wife to obey you.