The NCAA spring transfer portal opens next Tuesday for football

[soupslam1]

On 4/12/2024 at 10:02 PM, NevadaFan said:

Look at CSU fan trying to justify the stupid.  Haha. 

He’s not justifying anything, he’s stating the reality of NIL recruiting. 

[Headbutt]

You know what I'd really love to see?  I'd love to see one school sue another school for damages due to tampering.  I'm aware of CSU players that have been contacted, but chose to stay and didn't enter the portal.  I don't know who entered the portal because they already had an offer on the table, but I'm sure those exist at all of our schools.

You'll never prove tampering through the NCAA process, but a lawsuit for damages resulting from tampering would have the ability to put some folks under oath.  I wouldn't expect the world to suddenly get rosy, but I'd really love to see a school exposed and have to pay cash damages for cheating.  It's exactly what the SEC/B1G don't want the world to see.

Yeah, @NevadaFan.  Even if it's UNR suing CSU.

[NevadaFan]

On 4/13/2024 at 3:24 PM, Headbutt said:

You know what I'd really love to see?  I'd love to see one school sue another school for damages due to tampering.  I'm aware of CSU players that have been contacted, but chose to stay and didn't enter the portal.  I don't know who entered the portal because they already had an offer on the table, but I'm sure those exist at all of our schools.

You'll never prove tampering through the NCAA process, but a lawsuit for damages resulting from tampering would have the ability to put some folks under oath.  I wouldn't expect the world to suddenly get rosy, but I'd really love to see a school exposed and have to pay cash damages for cheating.  It's exactly what the SEC/B1G don't want the world to see.

Yeah, @NevadaFan.  Even if it's UNR suing CSU.

I haven’t argued that CSU owes Nevada damages. And the Nevada situation had less to do with the NIL than it did with a coach who was pissed he was not getting the extension and pay that he felt he was worth and he used the new portal rules to soften the landing at his new program. With the transfer rules he was able to burn the house down on his way out the door. Nevada had a very large senior class, coupled with a ton of transfers AND the poaching of our recruiting class screwed Nevada for x seasons. And as I said, Norvel did this because he was bitter at Knuth. My only argument has been that Norvel absolutely asked players and coaches to follow him before he was “supposed to” in this process. It was an unethical dick move in a profession that is full of unethical people. And then when he was called out he lied about the situation. But no one cares?! I’m not even sure why I’m arguing this because CSU will fire Norvel this year or next and the entire process will start over, gobs of money will change hands, and nothing will change as college sports will continue to ruin itself. 

[Headbutt]

So, that's really dumb.  First of all, there is no period whatsoever where a coach can't ask his staff to follow him to a new school.  Hell, he can do that before he even applies for a new job.  Secondly, you allege contact regarding following him to CSU between him and the players yet you present nothing to prove that he was the one who initiated that contact.  As it stands, you just put a bunch of innuendo and platitudes on paper defaming a man without any evidence other than perhaps rumors that you choose to magnify.  Norvell took his staff and accepted transfers as a personal attack on an AD???  Come on!!  Norvell didn't burn that program down, but the athletic department sure as hell tried when they assumed that his success would keep him there for pennies.  It's all on JN though.  Got it.

[OrediggerPoke]

On 4/13/2024 at 4:24 PM, Headbutt said:

You know what I'd really love to see?  I'd love to see one school sue another school for damages due to tampering.  I'm aware of CSU players that have been contacted, but chose to stay and didn't enter the portal.  I don't know who entered the portal because they already had an offer on the table, but I'm sure those exist at all of our schools.

You'll never prove tampering through the NCAA process, but a lawsuit for damages resulting from tampering would have the ability to put some folks under oath.  I wouldn't expect the world to suddenly get rosy, but I'd really love to see a school exposed and have to pay cash damages for cheating.  It's exactly what the SEC/B1G don't want the world to see.

Yeah, @NevadaFan.  Even if it's UNR suing CSU.

Would be dismissed at a rule 12(b)(6) Motion to Dismiss stage for failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted.  Players are not employees and are not obligated to return to a school (ie they are not under contract to perform a service). Therefore, there can be no claim for third party interference with contract or any other theoretical claim.  
 

This would be akin to suing a girlfriend and her new boyfriend for breaking up with you and hurting your feelings.  It’s not a cognizable claim.  

[Headbutt]

On 4/13/2024 at 6:57 PM, OrediggerPoke said:

Would be dismissed at a rule 12(b)(6) Motion to Dismiss stage for failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted.  Players are not employees and are not obligated to return to a school (ie they are not under contract to perform a service). Therefore, there can be no claim for third party interference with contract or any other theoretical claim.  
 

This would be akin to suing a girlfriend and her new boyfriend for breaking up with you and hurting your feelings.  It’s not a cognizable claim.  

Two or three years of investment in scholarship, fees, training table, personal trainers, medical benefits, etc.??

Yeah, I get that's a reach.  That's why we either need to get rid of NIL (never happen), or make players employees.  At least make the scholly come with a contract.

[OrediggerPoke]

On 4/13/2024 at 7:09 PM, Headbutt said:

Two or three years of investment in scholarship, fees, training table, personal trainers, medical benefits, etc.??

Yeah, I get that's a reach.  That's why we either need to get rid of NIL (never happen), or make players employees.

How much time and money have you spent on ex-girlfriends? Still doesn’t give you a right to sue her because she went out and found a new fling offering her more.  

[Headbutt]

On 4/13/2024 at 7:10 PM, OrediggerPoke said:

How much time and money have you spent on ex-girlfriends? Still doesn’t give you a right to sue her because she went out and found a new fling offering her more.  

All true.  However there are financial damages done to a team that is having it's active roster recruited.  I know, same with any other business.  College football was never intended to be a business.  Now that it most definitely is, the rules need to reflect that.  Coaches can move around at will and be recruited at any time, but they have contracts with buyouts.  Maybe that should apply to players as well.

[OrediggerPoke]

On 4/13/2024 at 7:25 PM, Headbutt said:

All true.  However there are financial damages done to a team that is having it's active roster recruited.  I know, same with any other business.  College football was never intended to be a business.  Now that it most definitely is, the rules need to reflect that.  Coaches can move around at will and be recruited at any time, but they have contracts with buyouts.  Maybe that should apply to players as well.

 Coaches are employees of the university and are obligated to pay damages if they leave early thereby breaching their contract.  Typically, the damages are in the form of a pre-arranged liquidated damages buyout agreement which is a part of the employment agreement itself.  If the contract didn’t have a buyout, there would still be an obligation to pay damages for the contract breach (but proving the amount becomes a bit difficult because it is more or less speculative).  
 

If players become subject to employment agreements, that opens up many other issues.  Notably - the cost of employment would assuredly end most collegiate sports as we know them (other than basically football and basketball at schools that generate significant revenues).  
 

 

But going back to the original discussion, just because you’re damaged financially (or emotionally) doesn’t give you a right to a legal remedy.  I’m sure we have all spent a bunch of money when we were young and dumb chasing the pretty ‘girl of our dreams’ only to see her tell us she was calling it off or that she just wanted ‘to be friends.’  

[Pelado]

On 4/13/2024 at 7:36 PM, OrediggerPoke said:

 But going back to the original discussion, just because you’re damaged financially (or emotionally) doesn’t give you a right to a legal remedy.  I’m sure we have all spent a bunch of money when we were young and dumb chasing the pretty ‘girl of our dreams’ only to see her tell us she was calling it off or that she just wanted ‘to be friends.’  finally got the restraining order.

fify

[OrediggerPoke]

On 4/13/2024 at 10:36 PM, Pelado said:

fify

That was never my experience.  But I’m sure there are a few on here who had that experience.  

[Nevada Convert]

On 4/13/2024 at 6:09 PM, Headbutt said:

Two or three years of investment in scholarship, fees, training table, personal trainers, medical benefits, etc.??

Yeah, I get that's a reach.  That's why we either need to get rid of NIL (never happen), or make players employees.  At least make the scholly come with a contract.

I guess OD has never heard of Palimony. If you’re shacking up with your girlfriend and some investment has been made in the relationship, one party can make the case for Palimony. It’s alimony for couples that were never married. If a girlfriend or boyfriend bail on the other, there can be legal recourse financially. I don’t think what you’re saying is a stretch at all. 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 4/11/2024 at 7:30 PM, NevadaFan said:

On the up and up! Hahaha. Is this one of those, Avery Morrow is innocent fables? 

 

Sounds like you still have a bad case of the "GREEN INFECTION,” @NevadaFan !!!

Apparently you have a chronic affliction.  You better get someone to take a look at that for you, before it becomes terminal.

 

CC:  @Headbutt

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 4/11/2024 at 10:48 PM, NevadaFan said:

Haha. You can think what you want and I don’t care if you believe me or not. I don’t make stories up on this board. <—I Source pls?  Sounds more like a rumor from a UNR Board.

i find it ironic that you make fun of a system that your coach used to HIS advantage. Which is fine. But acting like Norvell and by extension CSU is above this is flat wrong. My kids knew several players in Park Place <—I Your kid hangs out on a Monopoly Board???  How can I do that?  Sound cool...

...who they played with in HS that were talking about him leaving and the best players on Nevada following him, almost a week before it was announced. <—I How does this prove HC-MJN-III contacted the kids 1st?  Could just as easily been the kids getting wind of the move & proactively reaching out to Coach.  ¿Right?  Apparently it wasn’t a very well kept secrete.  

And If you think Norvell didn’t talk with and align with his coaches and best players before he took the job I don’t know what to tell you.   <—I Still no smoking gun showing Jay reached out first.

Norvell knows as a black coach he is treated differently,.   <—I WOW…a baseless & racist claim from @NevadaFan.  Have you & Jay spoken about this different treatment he gets?  How do you know what HC-MJN-III thinks?  

The only special treatment I’m aware of, is the fact it took Jay 2-3x longer to get his shot at a Head Coaching gig, compared to non-black OC’s coming simular FB pgms.

This was his penultimate f-you to Knuth who just signed a basketball coach for $10m+ but told him he had to win a MWC title before a new contract was coming. <—I Circumstantial at best.

So maybe this was justified because he probably did deserve more $$. But hell yes he did his due diligence. 

 

Haha. You can think what you want and I don’t care if you believe me or not. I don’t make stories up on this board. <—I Source pls?  Sounds more like a rumor from a UNR Board.

i find it ironic that you make fun of a system that your coach used to HIS advantage. Which is fine. But acting like Norvell and by extension CSU is above this is flat wrong. My kids knew several players in Park Place <—I Your kid hangs out on a Monopoly Board???  How can I do that?  Sound cool...

...who they played with in HS that were talking about him leaving and the best players on Nevada following him, almost a week before it was announced. <—I How does this prove HC-MJN-III contacted the kids 1st?  Could just as easily been the kids getting wind of the move & proactively reaching out to Coach.  ¿Right?  Apparently it wasn’t a very well kept secrete.  

And If you think Norvell didn’t talk with and align with his coaches and best players before he took the job I don’t know what to tell you.   <—I Still no smoking gun showing Jay reached out first.

Norvell knows as a black coach he is treated differently,.   <—I WOW…a baseless & racist claim from @NevadaFan.  Have you & Jay spoken about this different treatment he gets?  How do you know what HC-MJN-III thinks?  

The only special treatment I’m aware of, is the fact it took Jay 2-3x longer to get his shot at a Head Coaching gig, compared to non-black OC’s coming simular FB pgms.

This was his penultimate f-you to Knuth who just signed a basketball coach for $10m+ but told him he had to win a MWC title before a new contract was coming. <—I Circumstantial at best.

So maybe this was justified because he probably did deserve more $$. But hell yes he did his due diligence. 

 

 

CC: @Headbutt

 

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 4/13/2024 at 6:10 PM, OrediggerPoke said:

How much time and money have you spent on ex-girlfriends? Still doesn’t give you a right to sue her because she went out and found a new fling offering her more.  

 

I didn’t realize GFs were regulated by the NCAA & criminal statues that provide for damages, or have $30mm annual budgets.

Thx for you Apples/Oranges perspective Mr @OrediggerPoke

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 4/14/2024 at 12:33 AM, OrediggerPoke said:

That was never my experience.  But I’m sure there are a few on here who had that experience.  

 

I’m not sure if I believe you @OrediggerPoke.

Pls post your full name & SS# so I can run a civil/criminal background chk on you.

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 4/14/2024 at 1:16 AM, Nevada Convert said:

I guess OD has never heard of Palimony. If you’re shacking up with your girlfriend and some investment has been made in the relationship, one party can make the case for Palimony. It’s alimony for couples that were never married. If a girlfriend or boyfriend bail on the other, there can be legal recourse financially. I don’t think what you’re saying is a stretch at all. 

 

Here you go @OrediggerPoke:

https://law.jrank.org/pages/3295/Marvin-V-Marvin-Palimony-Suit-1979.html

 

 

[OrediggerPoke]

On 4/14/2024 at 2:16 AM, Nevada Convert said:

I guess OD has never heard of Palimony. If you’re shacking up with your girlfriend and some investment has been made in the relationship, one party can make the case for Palimony. It’s alimony for couples that were never married. If a girlfriend or boyfriend bail on the other, there can be legal recourse financially. I don’t think what you’re saying is a stretch at all. 

It’s a stretch.  It’s a sure fire 12(b)(6).  
 

The concept of ‘palimony,’ is a very limited exception and the legal theory is the ‘acquisition of assets’ in a quasi-partnership relationship and subsequent unwinding of the ‘quasi-partnership.’  For the allocation of any ‘support’ damages post division of partnership assets, courts unanimously require some sort or written or oral agreement to provide such support and the support is awarded as a matter of breach of contract and contract law.  
 

Applying the principles to poaching of players: (1) I’m not aware of the university and players mutually acquiring any assets; and (2) I’m not aware of any players entering into contractual guarantees with a university.  It just doesn’t apply.  

[NevadaFan]

On 4/13/2024 at 4:59 PM, Headbutt said:

So, that's really dumb.  First of all, there is no period whatsoever where a coach can't ask his staff to follow him to a new school.  Hell, he can do that before he even applies for a new job.  Secondly, you allege contact regarding following him to CSU between him and the players yet you present nothing to prove that he was the one who initiated that contact.  As it stands, you just put a bunch of innuendo and platitudes on paper defaming a man without any evidence other than perhaps rumors that you choose to magnify.  Norvell took his staff and accepted transfers as a personal attack on an AD???  Come on!!  Norvell didn't burn that program down, but the athletic department sure as hell tried when they assumed that his success would keep him there for pennies.  It's all on JN though.  Got it.

Haha. I’ll check back in with you after CSU fires him this year or next. You got CSU on the brain. 

[NevadaFan]

On 4/14/2024 at 2:13 AM, ---I GREEN INFECTION I--- said:

 

Haha. You can think what you want and I don’t care if you believe me or not. I don’t make stories up on this board. <—I Source pls?  Sounds more like a rumor from a UNR Board.

i find it ironic that you make fun of a system that your coach used to HIS advantage. Which is fine. But acting like Norvell and by extension CSU is above this is flat wrong. My kids knew several players in Park Place <—I Your kid hangs out on a Monopoly Board???  How can I do that?  Sound cool...

...who they played with in HS that were talking about him leaving and the best players on Nevada following him, almost a week before it was announced. <—I How does this prove HC-MJN-III contacted the kids 1st?  Could just as easily been the kids getting wind of the move & proactively reaching out to Coach.  ¿Right?  Apparently it wasn’t a very well kept secrete.  

And If you think Norvell didn’t talk with and align with his coaches and best players before he took the job I don’t know what to tell you.   <—I Still no smoking gun showing Jay reached out first.

Norvell knows as a black coach he is treated differently,.   <—I WOW…a baseless & racist claim from @NevadaFan.  Have you & Jay spoken about this different treatment he gets?  How do you know what HC-MJN-III thinks?  

The only special treatment I’m aware of, is the fact it took Jay 2-3x longer to get his shot at a Head Coaching gig, compared to non-black OC’s coming simular FB pgms.

This was his penultimate f-you to Knuth who just signed a basketball coach for $10m+ but told him he had to win a MWC title before a new contract was coming. <—I Circumstantial at best.

So maybe this was justified because he probably did deserve more $$. But hell yes he did his due diligence. 

 

 

CC: @Headbutt

 

 

Oh god. The CSU crazy now involved.