Jersey Rebels Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 It’s absurd to have a team that has less final fours and less championships in front of other teams because they won more regular season games and have more sweet 16 appearances. Asinine that anyone would think that’s a good argument. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaFan Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 On 4/10/2024 at 9:16 PM, Jersey Rebels said: It’s absurd to have a team that has less final fours and less championships in front of other teams because they won more regular season games and have more sweet 16 appearances. Asinine that anyone would think that’s a good argument. Are you saying UConn is being disrespected? I think ranking the top 10-15 teams is hard. But UConn is the modern GOAT. Three in a row is a distinct possibility. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jersey Rebels Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 I’m saying Gonzaga should be behind everyone but UCLA on that list. One championship in 20 years, could be a fluke, and I could get the argument that Gonzaga could be a better program, but everyone outside of MSU and Kentucky that won a championship on that list won at least 2. That’s an entirely different level than Gonzaga, regardless of sweet 16s and regular season wins. They’re better programs, full stop. Any MWC program would love to be Gonzaga, they’re a great program and deserve praise, but a championship matters. Championships have weight. Tier 1: Kansas, UCONN, Duke, UNC, Villanova Tier 2: Florida (arguable), MSU, Kentucky Tier 3:Gonzaga, UCLA. On another note, the only blue bloods I feel are UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, and now UCONN. Teams that have done it with multiple coaches. Duke, too, but I’m less confident in them with the changing conference landscape. We’ll see how UCLA does in the Big 10. Louisville is another honorable mention, we’ll see how they rebound. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babs Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 On 4/10/2024 at 9:10 PM, NevadaFan said: It lists ‘ships, NCAA trips, and athletes. Not sure what data is missing. Meh. It seems to weigh heavily on winning percentage, not actual championships or what conference a school plays in. A quick Google search and there’s like 10 lists with 10 much different rankings. It’s pretty subjective. IMO, the WCC isn’t some basketball power conference. They most likely wouldn’t win that many games against stronger competition in a lot stronger conferences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shizzle787 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 IMO there are seven blue bloods (ranked according to brand): 1. Duke 2. Kentucky 3. UNC 4. Kansas 5. UCLA 6. UConn 7. Indiana 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 On 4/10/2024 at 11:38 AM, bigd said: It just depends on ones definition of blue-blood. IMO, it's the top handful of programs. I'd consider North Carolina, Duke, Kentucky, UConn, UCLA, Kansas and possibly Indiana as blue bloods. Gonzaga is no-where near that list. But if you consider the top 25 or so historic programs as blue bloods than I'd include Gonzaga. Indiana is a blue-blood living on it's ancient history. Their fans will always love them, but they haven't been relevant on a National Awareness scale. Last Title - 1987 Last Final Four or Elite Eight - 2002 Only three Sweet Sixteens since 2002. They are the Ottoman Empire. 2 Quote "We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories." Americans Mayor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 On 4/10/2024 at 12:09 PM, utenation said: I put UNLV in their own top tier above the rest. It’s just too bad you need a VCR to watch their glory days. The vast majority of videos you find on Youtube are grainy and color bleached . Black and White would have served them better Quote "We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories." Americans Mayor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 On 4/10/2024 at 12:19 PM, utenation said: I like The Zags. Any good western program is fine by me. I love BYU to be successful in all Sports, then have them get filleted in their most important game of the year. Whether it's the Utes, Bowl, or NCAAT. It's delicious. Quote "We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories." Americans Mayor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 On 4/10/2024 at 8:14 PM, NevadaFan said: https://www.on3.com/news/top-ten-college-basketball-programs-since-2000-duke-uconn-kansas-unc-kentucky/ Excellent find. Quote "We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories." Americans Mayor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 On 4/10/2024 at 10:10 PM, NevadaFan said: It lists ‘ships, NCAA trips, and athletes. Not sure what data is missing. The Zags lack of a Title would move them to the bottom three imo. Sweet Sixteens seem to be the baseline criteria followed by Final Fours. I find it odd they didn't list Elite 8's. That is one step above a Sweet 16. Quote "We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories." Americans Mayor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecSU Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 On 4/11/2024 at 7:39 AM, shizzle787 said: IMO there are seven blue bloods (ranked according to brand): 1. Duke 2. Kentucky 3. UNC 4. Kansas 5. UCLA 6. UConn 7. Indiana Indiana being on lists like this after the last 20+ years is why, it seems to me, this blue blood designation is BS. Indiana wished it had the last 20+ years that Gonzaga has had. Is Gonzaga a blue blood? I don't know and I really don't care, but its def a better program than Indiana and has been for years now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renoskier Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 On 4/10/2024 at 10:53 AM, Rebels2k3 said: The fact is very few programs can touch what Gonzaga has done over the past 25+ years. Not sure why people hate Gonzaga so much but it is what it is. why do people "hate" Duke? relatively small school that punches above their weight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyobraska Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 On 4/11/2024 at 9:36 AM, renoskier said: why do people "hate" Duke? relatively small school that punches above their weight Coach K. Laettner. Redick. Grayson. I think people see them as elitist and they have had some unlikable players through the years and while people respect what Coach K has done I don't think a lot of people liked him. Although I never understood the Reddick hate. Probably didn't help that guys like Dickey V always slobbed their knob. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renoskier Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 On 4/11/2024 at 9:03 AM, Wyobraska said: Coach K. Laettner. Redick. Grayson. I think people see them as elitist and they have had some unlikable players through the years and while people respect what Coach K has done I don't think a lot of people liked him. Although I never understood the Reddick hate. Probably didn't help that guys like Dickey V always slobbed their knob. could understand the recent shit toward Grayson Allen...well deserved but I never understood the Coach K hate/jealousy...West Point guy who was well respected by everyone in the business, including all the pros who played for him on multiple gold medal Olympic/World Cup teams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babs Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 On 4/11/2024 at 7:39 AM, shizzle787 said: IMO there are seven blue bloods (ranked according to brand): 1. Duke 2. Kentucky 3. UNC 4. Kansas 5. UCLA 6. UConn 7. Indiana UCLA and Indiana shouldn’t be considered blue bloods anymore, IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 On 4/11/2024 at 10:36 AM, renoskier said: why do people "hate" Duke? relatively small school that punches above their weight The ESPN doc 'I hate Christian Laettner' is worth a look on the subject. 1 Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 On 4/11/2024 at 10:37 AM, babs said: UCLA and Indiana shouldn’t be considered blue bloods anymore, IMO UCLA has four Final Four in this Century. Yeah, they have no business being there. 2 Quote "We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories." Americans Mayor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigd Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 On 4/11/2024 at 1:10 PM, Spaztecs said: UCLA has four Final Four in this Century. Yeah, they have no business being there. Yeah, they haven't been able to finish the job but they've had lots of good teams this century. Indiana, not as much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecSU Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 On 4/11/2024 at 10:43 AM, bigd said: Yeah, they haven't been able to finish the job but they've had lots of good teams this century. Indiana, not as much. Yeah, weird that Gonzaga can’t be a blue blood meanwhile what has UCLA done in the last 25 years that Gonzaga hasn’t? People pretend like some of these programs are still in the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s as if that wasn’t more than a generation ago now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 The Historical list of Elite Eight Appearances. That I have been able to find. The only data that is relevant in terms of recency is the second column indicating last Elite Eight Appearance. tOSU - 2012 Hooker U - 2009 Okie State - 2004 Indiana - 2002 Most Elite Eight Appearances School Elite Eights Last Year Kentucky Wildcats 38 2019 North Carolina Tar Heels 29 2022 Kansas Jayhawks 24 2022 Duke Blue Devils 24 2024 UCLA Bruins 22 2021 Michigan Wolverines 14 2021 Michigan State Spartans 14 2019 Ohio State Buckeyes 14 2012 Villanova Wildcats 14 2018 Kansas State Wildcats 14 2023 Connecticut Huskies 15 2024 Arkansas Razorbacks 12 2022 Indiana Hoosiers 11 2002 Louisville Cardinals 11 2009 Arizona Wildcats 11 2015 Oklahoma State Cowboys 11 2004 Syracuse Orangeman 10 2016 Illinois Illini 10 2024 Quote "We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories." Americans Mayor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
