Hamas - Israel - Iran - Middle East - WW III

[818SUDSFan]

On 11/20/2023 at 12:41 PM, sactowndog said:

the boomer and Xer generation has taken teams and shit and whataboutism to the next level. These two generations will go down in history as being ethically void.  

I don't know about specific age cohorts but teams and shit exceedingly rules the narrative. Nuance barely matters anymore and I suspect the reasons are numerous. Too many people getting their information from rumor, friends, social media and the like rather than from legit news sources - not that many of those even exist anymore. (The primary reason appears to be that broadcasters no longer tolerate their newsrooms losing money in the spirit of what's good for the country but instead require they MAKE money in the interests of stockholders and that's best accomplished through not straight reporting but creation of controversy.)

What to do? Restoration of the Fairness Doctrine in the covering of elections would be a good and easy start.

[818SUDSFan]

On 11/20/2023 at 3:01 PM, sactowndog said:

Yeah I don’t remember any school children taught and singing a song like this one about Afghanistan….

I recall when Israel used to always take the high road on issues like this.

So seeing that video makes me very, very sad.

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 11/20/2023 at 5:12 PM, thelawlorfaithful said:

You don’t think a video that’s clearly auto tuned, uploaded and translated by an organization that calls itself “Electronic Intifada” might be a bit suspect?

Of course not.

He is all on on Jewish conspiracies.  Sad.  We watched QANON happen in real time on MWCboard.

[SalinasSpartan]

On 11/20/2023 at 3:56 PM, mugtang said:

I don’t want any civilians to die.  But I’m also not upset at Israel for responding how they have.  You know what would stop the killing?  Hamas surrendering. Why aren’t you calling for that?

Hamas should surrender. 

[Nevada Convert]

On 11/20/2023 at 2:58 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

Over 13k dead so far. How many corpses does your bloodthirsty ass want?

Hamas says there’s 13,000, you dumbass. You’re a Hamas mouthpiece. 

[SalinasSpartan]

@mugtang

So how many Palestinian corpses is too much? 20k? 50k? 287k? More? Can Israel just create as many as they want?

[SalinasSpartan]

On 11/20/2023 at 6:03 PM, Nevada Convert said:

Hamas says there’s 13,000, you dumbass. You’re a Hamas mouthpiece. 

lol, wow

[Nevada Convert]

On 11/20/2023 at 4:47 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

I don't know about specific age cohorts but teams and shit exceedingly rules the narrative. Nuance barely matters anymore and I suspect the reasons are numerous. Too many people getting their information from rumor, friends, social media and the like rather than from legit news sources - not that many of those even exist anymore. (The primary reason appears to be that broadcasters no longer tolerate their newsrooms losing money in the spirit of what's good for the country but instead require they MAKE money in the interests of stockholders and that's best accomplished through not straight reporting but creation of controversy.)

What to do? Restoration of the Fairness Doctrine in the covering of elections would be a good and easy start.

Fairness Doctrine! Not this shit again. Sounds about as good as Biden’s attempt with a Truth Ministry. 

[Nevada Convert]

On 11/20/2023 at 6:06 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

lol, wow

The Hamas/Gaza Health Ministry releases that number for Hamas jack offs like yourself to spread. Do you wear a green headband around the house when you get home from work? 

[sactowndog]

On 11/20/2023 at 3:37 PM, Nevada Convert said:

Gee, I can’t imagine any radical group would ever frame Israel with propaganda. And I can’t imagine there could ever be any tiny outlier extreme folks in Israel like there is everywhere. 

It’s like you don’t like the Baptist Church, so you say Baptists are evil and then post a pic of the infamous POS Westboro Baptist Church. You’re a difference maker, bro. 
 

The Westboro Church is not in power yet.  The Settlers are part of the Likud coalition.

[sactowndog]

On 11/20/2023 at 3:56 PM, mugtang said:

I don’t want any civilians to die.  But I’m also not upset at Israel for responding how they have.  You know what would stop the killing?  Hamas surrendering. Why aren’t you calling for that?

Except it wouldn’t.  Look at all the statements by political leaders.  Look at Israel saying they won’t turn over GAZA to the FATAH based Palestinian Authority.  I’m fine with “HAMAS” surrendering but 30 years of war in Afghanistan should tell you how likely that will succeed.  

[sactowndog]

On 11/20/2023 at 4:12 PM, thelawlorfaithful said:

You don’t think a video that’s clearly auto tuned, uploaded and translated by an organization that calls itself “Electronic Intifada” might be a bit suspect?

Of course not.

Read the comments.  

[sactowndog]

On 11/20/2023 at 4:47 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

I don't know about specific age cohorts but teams and shit exceedingly rules the narrative. Nuance barely matters anymore and I suspect the reasons are numerous. Too many people getting their information from rumor, friends, social media and the like rather than from legit news sources - not that many of those even exist anymore. (The primary reason appears to be that broadcasters no longer tolerate their newsrooms losing money in the spirit of what's good for the country but instead require they MAKE money in the interests of stockholders and that's best accomplished through not straight reporting but creation of controversy.)

What to do? Restoration of the Fairness Doctrine in the covering of elections would be a good and easy start.

I agree but I also think our generation is a big part of the problem.  (Remember I am 61 so I’m indicting myself).  The boomer generation has taken shit to extremes their entire life.  
 

Divorce rate being just one of many examples I can cite. Or the concentration of wealth, etc…..

 

[MetropolitanCowboy]

Anyone who professes full support for one side over the other who doesn’t have a real dog in this fight besides they really like to try to pretend to be this week’s socioeconomic global fad expert du jour, they’re wearing some serious blinders. Every belligerent involved has blood on their hands in this gong show of reality.

The Israelis poked the hornet’s nest by expanding their aggressive settlement policies during their descent into near civil war with Bibi on his 9,000th political life after selling his left nut (the last horucrux of his soul) to the right wing extremists to stay in power, the country got into a widespread distracted pissing contest, it got the best of them and they dropped the ball, and a lot of innocent people got massacred. 

Hamas is basically running themselves and plunging Gaza into even more of a ruined urban hellhole than it already was (if that were even possible), as part of some group of rich guys’ evil plan over in Qatar, and now they’ve basically signed death warrants indirectly of thousands of innocent children. 

There’s bloodlust on both sides of this emotionally charged conflict. A Jew myself, I am greatly bothered and abhorred at the massacre of so many innocents on that dark day in October. At the same time, why subject Gaza to ruin? The real perpetrators of the attack are in Doha, after all. So many young lives lost, tragically, at the behest of a few extremists in Qatar. 

I’m all in favor of a one state solution featuring a secular state where everyone, Palestinian or Israeli, or Druze, enjoys equal citizenship and rights. I realize it’s much more likely that we’ll see Hawaii in the CFP this year. I can dream though. 
 

[SalinasSpartan]

On 11/20/2023 at 8:20 PM, MetropolitanCowboy said:

Anyone who professes full support for one side over the other who doesn’t have a real dog in this fight besides they really like to try to pretend to be this week’s socioeconomic global fad expert du jour, they’re wearing some serious blinders. Every belligerent involved has blood on their hands in this gong show of reality.

The Israelis poked the hornet’s nest by expanding their aggressive settlement policies during their descent into near civil war with Bibi on his 9,000th political life after selling his left nut (the last horucrux of his soul) to the right wing extremists to stay in power, the country got into a widespread distracted pissing contest, it got the best of them and they dropped the ball, and a lot of innocent people got massacred. 

Hamas is basically running themselves and plunging Gaza into even more of a ruined urban hellhole than it already was (if that were even possible), as part of some group of rich guys’ evil plan over in Qatar, and now they’ve basically signed death warrants indirectly of thousands of innocent children. 

There’s bloodlust on both sides of this emotionally charged conflict. A Jew myself, I am greatly bothered and abhorred at the massacre of so many innocents on that dark day in October. At the same time, why subject Gaza to ruin? The real perpetrators of the attack are in Doha, after all. So many young lives lost, tragically, at the behest of a few extremists in Qatar. 

I’m all in favor of a one state solution featuring a secular state where everyone, Palestinian or Israeli, or Druze, enjoys equal citizenship and rights. I realize it’s much more likely that we’ll see Hawaii in the CFP this year. I can dream though. 
 

Yup, one state solution is the most fair and just solution. I imagine any U.S. politician advocating for this would be smeared as an antisemite by members of both political parties and would be aggressively primaried by AIPAC.

[SAMO]

On 11/19/2023 at 8:56 PM, Nevada Convert said:

Are you still stupid enough to believe that the hospital from a few weeks ago was bombed by the IDF despite the overwhelming evidence? 

The IDF isn’t blowing up hospitals. That’s from your Hamas beat off material. The IDF is bombing Hamas targets. They gave everyone 3 weeks to move south or told them they would die. The people dumb enough to stay are at fault. The people that Hamas forced to stay, Hamas is responsible for their deaths. 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/11/20/world/israel-hamas-gaza-war-news?smid=url-share#chaos-darkness-and-fire-fighting-erupts-around-another-embattled-gazan-hospital
 

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At least 12 people were killed and dozens wounded in an attack on a hospital in the northern Gaza Strip on Monday morning as fighting escalated around it, according to two hospital staff members and the Gazan health ministry, which blamed Israel for the strike.

 

[sactowndog]

More evidence Israel is pursuing Ethnic Cleansing and looking to take over all of the GAZA territory.  

 

[mugtang]

On 11/20/2023 at 6:03 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

@mugtang

So how many Palestinian corpses is too much? 20k? 50k? 287k? More? Can Israel just create as many as they want?

Yep. Cause that’s exactly what I said.  I think the correct number is 589,473.

JFC 

[mugtang]

On 11/20/2023 at 11:09 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

Yup, one state solution is the most fair and just solution. I imagine any U.S. politician advocating for this would be smeared as an antisemite by members of both political parties and would be aggressively primaried by AIPAC.

Israel would never agree to a 1 state solution. 

[HR_Poke]

On 11/21/2023 at 7:44 AM, mugtang said:

Israel would never agree to a 1 state solution. 

Which leaves you with the status quo of a semi independent Palestine that will inevitably be pushed out into neighboring Arab states, or ethnic cleansing.