Hamas - Israel - Iran - Middle East - WW III

[renoskier]

On 5/6/2024 at 4:49 AM, youngredbullfan said:

https://x.com/haaretzcom/status/1786717441529188604

 

Israel seems pretty insistent on continuing their ethnic cleansing campaign.

what will it take for Hamas to surrender?

[SalinasSpartan]

On 5/5/2024 at 5:55 PM, thelawlorfaithful said:

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. Withholding money from an act of Congress to demand an investigation or to demand how another nation prosecutes a war is the same thing.

So how do the “Leahy Laws” factor in to your legal analysis on this issue? 

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 5/5/2024 at 8:01 PM, TheSanDiegan said:

Context matters. But first let's set the record straight -

Link

Link to Source Doc

Today is the 12th day since the bill was signed.

Uh oh Joe. Better formally notify Congress by the end of the day. Pitter patter let’s get at her.

Not that it matters to any of you. But doing the reading once in awhile is helpful.

[youngredbullfan]

On 5/6/2024 at 9:34 AM, renoskier said:

what will it take for Hamas to surrender?

They won't. And doing an ethnic cleansing won't make them. Killing every man, woman, and child in Gaza won't elicit a surrender, or even a total defeat for Hamas.

So why do it? Why continue to commit atrocities?

Pure depravity? Or maybe invading Rafah is a larger part of a Likud strategy to change the demographics of Gaza? Both?

 

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 5/6/2024 at 8:28 AM, SalinasSpartan said:

So how do the “Leahy Laws” factor in to your legal analysis on this issue? 

Israel is a State recognized by the U.S. The Leahy laws apply to individual units. The State Department and DoD can cut off aid to whatever group of thugs we finance to do our bidding against ISIS or Al Queada. It only applies to specific units.

[SalinasSpartan]

On 5/6/2024 at 8:42 AM, thelawlorfaithful said:

Israel is a State recognized by the U.S. The Leahy laws apply to individual units. The State Department and DoD can cut off aid to whatever group of thugs we finance to do our bidding against ISIS or Al Queada. It only applies to specific units.

LOL, ok.

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 5/6/2024 at 8:51 AM, SalinasSpartan said:

LOL, ok.

You wanted a legal opinion, ya dumbass. Laugh like a drooling imbecile if you want but you got it to the letter.

[sactowndog]

On 5/5/2024 at 4:20 PM, grandjean87 said:

Anyone following the events and media coverage/reports/editorials/etc. of the past 7 months would have to be purposely cocooned in their own thoughts to be unaware of the tsunami of criticisms of Biden and his administration from multiple sides regarding Gaza ongoing and the initial Hamas attack. 
 

 

Sure I didn’t say criticism wasn’t occurring.

Saying the criticism of Biden was centered on not solving the Mideast process is pure gaslighting to paint the Palestinian protestors as unreasonable.   

The criticisms of Biden center on providing offensive weapons and blocking UN actions not on solving the Gordian knot of Mideast peace.  

[SalinasSpartan]

On 5/6/2024 at 8:54 AM, thelawlorfaithful said:

You wanted a legal opinion, ya dumbass. Laugh like a drooling imbecile if you want but you got it to the letter.

Bro’s whole “argument” relies on the IDF not being considered an “individual unit”.  LOL

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 5/6/2024 at 8:58 AM, SalinasSpartan said:

Bro’s whole “argument” relies on the IDF not being considered an “individual unit”.  LOL

I can only imagine the people that agree with your stance wholeheartedly reading that and thinking to themselves…

[SalinasSpartan]

On 5/6/2024 at 9:04 AM, thelawlorfaithful said:

I can only imagine the people that agree with your stance wholeheartedly reading that and thinking to themselves…

Lol yea I’d pivot away from that dogshit argument and shift to name calling too if I were you. 

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 5/6/2024 at 9:10 AM, SalinasSpartan said:

Lol yea I’d pivot away from that dogshit argument and shift to name calling too if I were you. 

National armies are not individual units. Hate to break to you. But you’re not 5 years old. Get a clue.

[toonkee]

Guys, he's not THE LAW lor FAITHFUL for nothing. 

[renoskier]

On 5/6/2024 at 8:40 AM, youngredbullfan said:

They won't. And doing an ethnic cleansing won't make them. Killing every man, woman, and child in Gaza won't elicit a surrender, or even a total defeat for Hamas.

So why do it? Why continue to commit atrocities?

Pure depravity? Or maybe invading Rafah is a larger part of a Likud strategy to change the demographics of Gaza? Both?

 

if we're agreeing that one side will never quit how do we convince the other side to do so?

[SalinasSpartan]

On 5/6/2024 at 10:10 AM, thelawlorfaithful said:

National armies are not individual units. Hate to break to you. But you’re not 5 years old. Get a clue.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/2378d

That’s the actual statute. Relevant part for those interested:

No assistance shall be furnished under this chapter or the Arms Export Control Act [22 U.S.C. 2751et seq.] to any unit of the security forces of a foreign country if the Secretary of State has credible information that such unit has committed a gross violation of human rights.

There is a definitions section at the end of the statute, but “unit” is not defined. Please cite where your black and white definition of unit is located in the statute, or sit in the corner and shut phuck up, adults are talking.

[SalinasSpartan]

And to the bystanders, the point of all this is that the fact that there even COULD be a “Leahy” violation is a significant differentiation between the potential withholding of funds to Israel from Trump threatening to withhold funds from Ukraine re: whether the former is an “impeachable offense”. Anybody claiming there is “No DiFfErEnCe” between the two is either just dishonest as hell, doesn’t know what they are talking about, or both.

And of course that’s not even bringing up how impeachment is, per SCOTUS, a POLITICAL process. It’s not a criminal case or a lawsuit where elements need to be proven and there is a burden of proof and so on. Its not and never has been a black and white thing, no matter how much people pretend it is.

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 5/6/2024 at 10:27 AM, SalinasSpartan said:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/2378d

That’s the actual statute. Relevant part for those interested:

No assistance shall be furnished under this chapter or the Arms Export Control Act [22 U.S.C. 2751et seq.] to any unit of the security forces of a foreign country if the Secretary of State has credible information that such unit has committed a gross violation of human rights.

There is a definitions section at the end of the statute, but “unit” is not defined. Please cite where your black and white definition of unit is located in the statute, or sit in the corner and shut phuck up, adults are talking.

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/PP410_INVEST_v2.1.pdf

 

You’re just a glutton for punishment aren’t you. Go away now, I need to zip up.

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 5/6/2024 at 10:15 AM, toonkee said:

Guys, he's not THE LAW lor FAITHFUL for nothing. 

Ba dum cha!

You won’t catch me spouting off about car engines, or knives, or Marvel movies because I know that I don’t know anything about it. How the law works I do the reading.

[grandjean87]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-speaks-netanyahu-cease-fire-talks-evacuation-rafah-rcna150863

Biden and Bibi talked this morning (U.S. time).  CIA chief Burns on the way to Israel from Doha.  Maybe the cease-fire happens, but not seeming likely at the moment.   The aid shipment delay noted.  

"Biden and his administration have warned Israel against launching a military offensive in Rafah. Last week, the White House halted a large shipment of offensive weapons to Israel, as the IDF is ramping up that possible ground invasion, according to two senior administration officials familiar with the decision. 

The shipment included 2,000-pound bombs and other ammunition that would likely be used in Rafah, the officials said. Israel already has a large arsenal so while this shipment is not likely to stop an offensive, it could have been very helpful to them in one.  

While the officials said this does not indicate a larger change in policy about providing weapons to Israel, it has been very rare for the U.S. to withhold weapons and equipment from Israel because of concerns over how they can be used."

All w/in broad executive powers and that section 116 which can be read to require the aid w/holding in this circumstance.  

[toonkee]

On 5/6/2024 at 10:25 AM, renoskier said:

if we're agreeing that one side will never quit how do we convince the other side to do so?

The beatings will continue until morale improves.