Hamas - Israel - Iran - Middle East - WW III

[Akkula]

On 3/15/2024 at 10:51 AM, grandjean87 said:

Schumer has power leverage, but the general view is wider held including in the other party and by many Jewish Americans.  That's not a secret.  It's a conundrum within a conundrum.  Bibi gone would probably be good, but I don't see that leading to the end of the never ending conflict and troubles. 

Bibi and his ilk think that continued settlement and pushing out of Palestinians from their territory is a good idea.  They reject a two-state solution.  MAGAs and religious fundamentalists love Bibi's politics and his racist policies so that is why they like him.  

Many Jews around the world do not agree with this whole perpetual war and trying to usurp land and Bibi is the poster child for this.  Bibi wants to stay in charge to avoid getting voted out.  Bibi's government and policies caused Hamas to gain power and the Israelis were asleep at the switch during the invasion. 

That is all...it isn't more complicated than that.  

[grandjean87]

On 3/15/2024 at 10:57 AM, Akkula said:

Bibi and his ilk think that continued settlement and pushing out of Palestinians from their territory is a good idea.  They reject a two-state solution.  MAGAs and religious fundamentalists love Bibi's politics and his racist policies so that is why they like him.  

Many Jews around the world do not agree with this whole perpetual war and trying to usurp land and Bibi is the poster child for this.  Bibi wants to stay in charge to avoid getting voted out.  Bibi's government and policies caused Hamas to gain power and the Israelis were asleep at the switch during the invasion. 

That is all...it isn't more complicated than that.  

It's way more complicated than that and has been since 1948 and before.  I don't post often in this thread because, quite frankly, I don't have any more handle on ultimate solutions than I did decades in the past.  I have, however, zero issue w/U.S. pressure on Bibi and his gov't.

[Akkula]

On 3/15/2024 at 11:06 AM, grandjean87 said:

It's way more complicated than that and has been since 1948 and before.  I don't post often in this thread because, quite frankly, I don't have any more handle on ultimate solutions than I did decades in the past.  I have, however, zero issue w/U.S. pressure on Bibi and his gov't.

I am certainly oversimplifying but I think the entire world has pretty much saying for a long time....ISRAELS NEEDS TO STAY THE HELL OUT OF THE WEST BANK AND GAZA!  The USA has been looking the other way and enabling Israeli bad behavior for a long time culminating in Trump's pandering.  

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 3/15/2024 at 9:35 AM, Akkula said:

Huh?  Now you are putting words in Sanders and Schumer's mouths?  How can you justify your comments?

Obama's 1967 borders seems to be the most reasonable for everyone.  Those fundamentalist right-wing religious fanatics on all sides 3 sides are the problem.     

It’s not reasonable to Hamas who run Gaza and their supporters. What the hell are you talking about? Schumer and Sanders are trying to save their party by appealing to the idiots who don’t listen when Hamas genuinely calls them idiots for not listening to what they say they want. Count yourself among them.

[grandjean87]

“Our strength consists in our speed and in our brutality. Genghis Khan led millions of women and children to slaughter – with premeditation and a happy heart. History sees in him solely the founder of a state. It’s a matter of indifference to me what a weak western European civilization will say about me.

I have issued the command – and I’ll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by a firing squad – that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy. Accordingly, I have placed my death-head formations in readiness – for the present only in the East – with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish derivation and language. Only thus shall we gain the living space (lebensraum) which we need. Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?”

Maybe this is the final solution?

https://genocideeducation.org/background/hitler-and-the-armenian-genocide/

 

[Akkula]

On 3/15/2024 at 12:44 PM, thelawlorfaithful said:

It’s not reasonable to Hamas who run Gaza and their supporters. What the hell are you talking about? Schumer and Sanders are trying to save their party by appealing to the idiots who don’t listen when Hamas genuinely calls them idiots for not listening to what they say they want. Count yourself among them.

Who cares what Hamas thinks?  Israel has the unilateral power to make a two-state solution a reality...Hamas does not.  Israel could declare it so tomorrow.  They could say, "you stay on your side of the line and we will do the same."  But many Israelis actually don't want that...they want to encroach inch by inch to take more territory.  They don't respect the border either!

Israel could have had a plan to install an Arab government to govern Gaza but had no solution in place.  Most of the authoritarian governments hate Hamas just as much if not more than the Israelis.  

Israel has killed far more women and children than they lost to the terrorist attack...just as Hamas wanted.  Now they have a bunch of pissed off little orphans to turn into suicide bombers.  Both Hamas and the Israelis could give a shit about the innocent people in that open air prison.  

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 3/15/2024 at 12:37 PM, Akkula said:

Who cares what Hamas thinks?  Israel has the unilateral power to make a two-state solution a reality...Hamas does not.  Israel could declare it so tomorrow.  They could say, "you stay on your side of the line and we will do the same."  But many Israelis actually don't want that...they want to encroach inch by inch to take more territory.  They don't respect the border either!

Israel could have had a plan to install an Arab government to govern Gaza but had no solution in place.  Most of the authoritarian governments hate Hamas just as much if not more than the Israelis.  

Israel has killed far more women and children than they lost to the terrorist attack...just as Hamas wanted.  Now they have a bunch of pissed off little orphans to turn into suicide bombers.  Both Hamas and the Israelis could give a shit about the innocent people in that open air prison.  

Palestinians care about what Hamas thinks. That’s how they came to power. That’s why they’ve stayed in power. And that, and the support of the from the river to the sea Palestinian morons abroad, is why they won’t agree to an unconditional surrender, which is the only way to install an Arab government that doesn’t want the Jews murdered.

Seen any Japanese orphans become kamikaze fighters against America in the past 74 years? No.

[toonkee]

 

 

[sactowndog]

 

[Akkula]

The Israelis want their hostages back.  The USA should say they will declare their support for a two state solution in exchange for an unconditional release of all hostages.   That would be a HUGE  win for the USA and Biden.  Almost all Jews here believe in a two state solution too.

[CV147]

I'm not sure that the U.S. declaring that they're still for the two-state solution will be so persuasive these days.

And Biden... meh. He's between a rock and a hard place, between the progressive wing and the establishment wing. He's trying to walk a tightrope but will lose either way he goes.

[thelawlorfaithful]

We still have American hostages held by Hamas.

[SalinasSpartan]

On 3/23/2024 at 4:34 PM, thelawlorfaithful said:

We still have American hostages held by Hamas.

Hopefully the IDF doesn’t blow them up. 

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 3/23/2024 at 7:41 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

Hopefully the IDF doesn’t blow them up. 

Yes it would be a shame if their kidnappers were interrupted in their indefinite abuse, rape, and sodomizing the hostages by starting a war.

[SalinasSpartan]

On 3/23/2024 at 11:18 PM, thelawlorfaithful said:

Yes it would be a shame if their kidnappers were interrupted in their indefinite abuse, rape, and sodomizing the hostages by starting a war.

So what is implied in this post is that you think the IDF should blow them up? What a dumb ass post.

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 3/24/2024 at 8:20 AM, SalinasSpartan said:

So what is implied in this post is that you think the IDF should blow them up? What a dumb ass post.

It’s implied that you are retarded. The thing is, that’s explicit. It’s not the IDF’s fault war was declared and Hamas took hostages.

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 3/24/2024 at 12:02 PM, thelawlorfaithful said:

It’s implied that you are retarded. The thing is, that’s explicit. It’s not the IDF’s fault war was declared and Hamas took hostages.

 Japan declared war on the US.  Germany declared war on France.  Palestine declared war on Israel.  Palestine and Hamas are one and the same.  Until they are not.  

[SalinasSpartan]

On 3/24/2024 at 11:02 AM, thelawlorfaithful said:

It’s implied that you are retarded. The thing is, that’s explicit. It’s not the IDF’s fault war was declared and Hamas took hostages.

Yea. Thought you’d be a little bitch and not stand by that take.

[SalinasSpartan]

Glad to see the ceasefire resolution pass the UN Security Council, though I’m sure it’s a disappointing to the posters on here that support the ongoing genocide in Gaza.

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 3/25/2024 at 12:11 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

Glad to see the ceasefire resolution pass the UN Security Council, though I’m sure it’s a disappointing to the posters on here that support the ongoing genocide in Gaza.

There is no genocide in Gaza.  The IDF has taken measures no army in the history of man has taken limit civilian casualties.

Daily reminder that Hames=Palestine and Palestine=Hamas.  Until it does not.