Hamas - Israel - Iran - Middle East - WW III

[madmartigan]

On 1/31/2024 at 9:15 AM, thelawlorfaithful said:

No man, they were uploading the videos to the internet to brag as the attack was happening. The bayonets in the vagina’s at a peace music festival were the point, not some atrocity they tried to cover up.

I've been told there is lots of gopro footage floating around of HAMAS documenting their crimes. I  have zero interest in watching it but it's said to be easy to find. 

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 1/31/2024 at 9:19 AM, madmartigan said:

I've been told there is lots of gopro footage floating around of HAMAS documenting their crimes. I  have zero interest in watching it but it's said to be easy to find. 

There is. It was posted as the attack was happening. It looks and sounds exactly like you think it does.

[Nevada Convert]

On 1/31/2024 at 9:19 AM, madmartigan said:

I've been told there is lots of gopro footage floating around of HAMAS documenting their crimes. I  have zero interest in watching it but it's said to be easy to find. 

It’s not hard to find, and I watched enough of it a couple months or so ago to want to give up on the human race. Dying isn’t the primary issue. Dying the way many did on 10/7 is what makes this attack so exceptionally evil. Evil doesn’t get worse than that. Sodomizing a little girl while they make her watch her parents get their eyes gouged out up close, fingers cut off bit by bit, all while laughing hysterically. Then tie them up together and burn them alive.

It’s important that a decent amount of people watch it as witnesses in case the video starts disappearing years from now. 

Years ago in the early days of the internet, I used to challenge myself and go to the old gore sites and watch the worst I could find. I saw some extreme extreme stuff. Beheading videos even got boring. The 10/7 stuff is by far the worst I’ve ever seen. That includes gruesome car accidents I’ve stopped to help at. 

If anyone is questioning what happened, they deserve to watch this shit. 

[happycamper]

On 1/31/2024 at 11:15 AM, thelawlorfaithful said:

No man, they were uploading the videos to the internet to brag as the attack was happening. The bayonets in the vagina’s at a peace music festival were the point, not some atrocity they tried to cover up.

OK. That is a fair distinction. In modern/civilized/whatever you want to call us militaries, this stuff happens, but we want to minimize or eliminate it, it is shameful. Unlike how the Serbs were in Bosnia (or really the USSR when they got to Germany). 

I believe that the way Israel has prosecuted the invasion of Gaza has been full of war crimes, but I do think there's a difference between "sex crimes happen in invasions" and "sex crimes are an integral part of the war effort of the invasion". 

[SalinasSpartan]

On 1/31/2024 at 12:50 PM, happycamper said:

OK. That is a fair distinction. In modern/civilized/whatever you want to call us militaries, this stuff happens, but we want to minimize or eliminate it, it is shameful. Unlike how the Serbs were in Bosnia (or really the USSR when they got to Germany). 

I believe that the way Israel has prosecuted the invasion of Gaza has been full of war crimes, but I do think there's a difference between "sex crimes happen in invasions" and "sex crimes are an integral part of the war effort of the invasion". 

It really works in Israel’s favor that it is kind of hard to get videos of people being killed by bombs. I imagine if this was able to be recorded, it would greatly affect the media coverage, and also how people feel about bombings in general. Imagine a video of a baby’s head exploding like water melon when a part of a building falls on them. Or what it looks like for a person’s body to be blown apart. Or better yet, don’t imagine that stuff, because it’s horrific. But it’s happened several thousand times over the last several months.

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 1/31/2024 at 12:50 PM, happycamper said:

OK. That is a fair distinction. In modern/civilized/whatever you want to call us militaries, this stuff happens, but we want to minimize or eliminate it, it is shameful. Unlike how the Serbs were in Bosnia (or really the USSR when they got to Germany). 

I believe that the way Israel has prosecuted the invasion of Gaza has been full of war crimes, but I do think there's a difference between "sex crimes happen in invasions" and "sex crimes are an integral part of the war effort of the invasion". 

You’re not wrong. War is hell and it does bring those awful human behaviors to the fore.

Hamas wanted a war. They got their war. Israeli’s are not going to handle it like we did when the conflict’s are half a world away and completely out of mind to those that don’t care.

[halfmanhalfbronco]

 

'Israel has taken more steps to avoid harming civilians than any other military in history,' says West Point professor

 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/urban-warfare-expert-says-israeli-military-taking-unprecedented-steps-to-protect-gaza-civilians

[AztecAlien]

On 2/18/2024 at 1:16 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

 

'Israel has taken more steps to avoid harming civilians than any other military in history,' says West Point professor

 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/urban-warfare-expert-says-israeli-military-taking-unprecedented-steps-to-protect-gaza-civilians

You're making such a difference in the world.

 

 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

Nailed it.  Actual Professors and experts in the study of and history of war from the likes of West Point weighing in and just EVISCERATING the ethnic cleansing and genocide narrative spread by Hamas and eaten up on this board.

"This is a moral bankruptcy of the Western media in particular, as well as large swaths of Western society in general. There is something seriously wrong when people are willing to accept lies by a murderous terrorist group over claims made by a democratic, liberal, progressive country.

How does it make sense that people in the world think that Israel should not enter Rafah and should essentially save Hamas by not degrading it to the greatest extent possible? 

How does it make sense that people become so confused that they think it’s normal for hostages to be held against their will in private homes and that a country shouldn’t do what is necessary to get its people back? 

How does it make sense that there are people willing to accept the lies of a terrorist group over the reports of a country that has rule of law, transparency, accountability, and an open and free press? "

Most of the condemnations today come from the US, the UK and Europe. They don’t come from Morocco, Egypt, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates, or Saudi Arabia. Why do you think that is? What do these Arab countries know that politicians don’t know in Washington DC, London, or Paris?

The answer is that these Arab countries want Israel to succeed in removing Hamas while other countries around the world sometimes appear to want Israel to fail.

These Arab countries know the truth. 

They know that Israel is fighting an enemy the likes of which no military has ever waged war. While we have seen urban warfare before, it has never been at this level, embedded to this extent in civilian infrastructure and, of course, with hundreds and hundreds of miles of tunnels.

And with this challenge, Israel is achieving humanity in a way not seen before. The combatant-civilian death ratio is unprecedented in warfare. "

[Nevada Convert]

On 1/31/2024 at 12:50 PM, happycamper said:

OK. That is a fair distinction. In modern/civilized/whatever you want to call us militaries, this stuff happens, but we want to minimize or eliminate it, it is shameful. Unlike how the Serbs were in Bosnia (or really the USSR when they got to Germany). 

I believe that the way Israel has prosecuted the invasion of Gaza has been full of war crimes, but I do think there's a difference between "sex crimes happen in invasions" and "sex crimes are an integral part of the war effort of the invasion". 

The problem is you can’t prove one single war crime, especially when the only information reported was coming straight from Satan, the Hamas Death Ministry. But reporters, particularly the international media, have taken the info Hamas has given them and reported it as fact. 

So you really have no idea what you’re talking about. I know you think highly of yourself, but you really have no direct line to God to get this info. IDF is almost always wrong, Hamas is almost always right. 

Even with all the 1,000’s of Hamas fighters and human shields killed that the UN/Hamas/Media consider civilians just killed innocently in their homes, there’s no way they can figure out how many are dead with everyone displaced all over. They don’t have the heavy equipment to find out who was actually killed. That 28,000 number came straight out of their ass. 

[Nevada Convert]

On 2/18/2024 at 12:34 AM, AztecAlien said:

You're making such a difference in the world.

 

 

He’s right. 

[happycamper]

On 2/19/2024 at 2:55 AM, Nevada Convert said:

The problem is you can’t prove one single war crime, especially when the only information reported was coming straight from Satan, the Hamas Death Ministry. But reporters, particularly the international media, have taken the info Hamas has given them and reported it as fact. 

So you really have no idea what you’re talking about. I know you think highly of yourself, but you really have no direct line to God to get this info. IDF is almost always wrong, Hamas is almost always right. 

Even with all the 1,000’s of Hamas fighters and human shields killed that the UN/Hamas/Media consider civilians just killed innocently in their homes, there’s no way they can figure out how many are dead with everyone displaced all over. They don’t have the heavy equipment to find out who was actually killed. That 28,000 number came straight out of their ass. 

Convert, the entire blockade of Gaza prior to 10/7 was itself a war crime. Since then? Israel's own reports show war crimes. Deliberately destroying all educational infrastructure? That's a war crime. Not allowing civilians to leave? That's a war crime. Looting? That's a war crime. These all come from Israeli sources.

 

[AztecAlien]

On 2/19/2024 at 1:02 AM, Nevada Convert said:

He’s right. 

Yet no one cares or is listening to the silent screams outside of this message board. 

 

 

[youngredbullfan]

Ethnic cleansing continues as regularly scheduled

[SalinasSpartan]

On 2/18/2024 at 9:38 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Nailed it.  Actual Professors and experts in the study of and history of war from the likes of West Point weighing in and just EVISCERATING the ethnic cleansing and genocide narrative spread by Hamas and eaten up on this board.

"This is a moral bankruptcy of the Western media in particular, as well as large swaths of Western society in general. There is something seriously wrong when people are willing to accept lies by a murderous terrorist group over claims made by a democratic, liberal, progressive country.

How does it make sense that people in the world think that Israel should not enter Rafah and should essentially save Hamas by not degrading it to the greatest extent possible? 

How does it make sense that people become so confused that they think it’s normal for hostages to be held against their will in private homes and that a country shouldn’t do what is necessary to get its people back? 

How does it make sense that there are people willing to accept the lies of a terrorist group over the reports of a country that has rule of law, transparency, accountability, and an open and free press? "

Most of the condemnations today come from the US, the UK and Europe. They don’t come from Morocco, Egypt, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates, or Saudi Arabia. Why do you think that is? What do these Arab countries know that politicians don’t know in Washington DC, London, or Paris?

The answer is that these Arab countries want Israel to succeed in removing Hamas while other countries around the world sometimes appear to want Israel to fail.

These Arab countries know the truth. 

They know that Israel is fighting an enemy the likes of which no military has ever waged war. While we have seen urban warfare before, it has never been at this level, embedded to this extent in civilian infrastructure and, of course, with hundreds and hundreds of miles of tunnels.

And with this challenge, Israel is achieving humanity in a way not seen before. The combatant-civilian death ratio is unprecedented in warfare. "

The genocide is not a narrative, just fact.

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 2/21/2024 at 9:41 AM, SalinasSpartan said:

The genocide is not a narrative, just fact.

It's not though....in fact, even if you believe the Hamas death figures, which you should not, the civilian to combatant death ratio is historically an outlier for being so low, despite no army ever dealing with such logistics putting civilians in harms way, by design.

No army has ever gone to such lengths to prevent civilian deaths.  I know you hate hearing that but THAT is a fact, with you, like, you know, numbers backing it up.....

[SalinasSpartan]

On 2/21/2024 at 11:05 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

It's not though....in fact, even if you believe the Hamas death figures, which you should not, the civilian to combatant death ratio is historically an outlier for being so low, despite no army ever dealing with such logistics putting civilians in harms way, by design.

No army has ever gone to such lengths to prevent civilian deaths.  I know you hate hearing that but THAT is a fact, with you, like, you know, numbers backing it up.....

O, cool, a bunch of stuff that doesn’t have anything to do with whether or not a genocide is being carried out.

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 2/21/2024 at 2:49 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

O, cool, a bunch of stuff that doesn’t have anything to do with whether or not a genocide is being carried out.

And a genocide is not taking place.  No army has ever taken such care to minimize civilian deaths.  Nobody to blame for Hamas using schools, hospitals, places of worship and homes other than those living in Palestine....

If you believe the Hamas death figures, which again you should not, the civilian to militant death ratio is 1:1.8, the lowest in history in which we have such figures, despite civilian infrastructure being intertwined in urban areas in a way no army has ever faced before.  No army has ever worked to prevent civilian casualties as hard as the IDF has in Gaza.  I know people hate hearing that but that's what the numbers and logistics say.

[SalinasSpartan]

On 2/21/2024 at 1:54 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

And a genocide is not taking place.  No army has ever taken such care to minimize civilian deaths.  Nobody to blame for Hamas using schools, hospitals, places of worship and homes other than those living in Palestine....

A genocide is taking place. 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 2/21/2024 at 3:01 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

A genocide is taking place. 

No