soupslam1 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 12:29 PM, smltwnrckr said: I mean, see my response above. If we're gonna play the counterfactual history game, we should go back to the causes of the causes. I would have more sympathy for the good faith question if the the state of Israel didn't immediately send spokesmen to international media sources to tell the world that we should absolve them of all their actions after Oct. 7 because of what happened. So, they didn't ask the question you are asking. Why should I ask it for them? But, again, IMO what you shouldn't do after a brutal attack that killed 1,400 people is to brutally attack and kill 16,000 and counting and demand that the entire international community (and God) absolve you of it. That is the opposite of the answer, IMO. Still deflecting. Answer the question. What should Israel’s course of action been after October 7. If nothing, just say it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smltwnrckr Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 4:25 PM, soupslam1 said: Still deflecting. Answer the question. What should Israel’s course of action been after October 7. If nothing, just say it. I said in the first place it's a pointless question, and explained why it is pointless and its answers are meaningless at this point except to justify violence. What they should have done from the beginning is give an occupied people their rights. What they shouldn't have done is kill 20,000 people. If you think that's deflection, that's on you. 2 Quote Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupslam1 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 5:48 PM, smltwnrckr said: I said in the first place it's a pointless question, and explained why it is pointless and its answers are meaningless at this point except to justify violence. What they should have done from the beginning is give an occupied people their rights. What they shouldn't have done is kill 20,000 people. If you think that's deflection, that's on you. You sound like a politician. C’mon, show some moxie, answer the question. What are you afraid of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smltwnrckr Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 5:02 PM, soupslam1 said: You sound like a politician. C’mon, show some moxie, answer the question. What are you afraid of? No, I sound like a historian. We don't do counterfactuals, cuz they're dumb. But it doesn't take much education to compare the numbers... you shouldn't do 20,000 bad bad things in response to 1400 bad things. At least in my opinion. Quote Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupslam1 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 6:11 PM, smltwnrckr said: No, I sound like a historian. We don't do counterfactuals, cuz they're dumb. But it doesn't take much education to compare the numbers... you shouldn't do 20,000 bad bad things in response to 1400 bad things. At least in my opinion. How about just one bad thing? Would that be ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smltwnrckr Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 5:13 PM, soupslam1 said: How about just one bad thing? Would that be ok? I dunno, you tell me. I mean, answer your own question if you think it should be answered. How many Palestinian children need to die to avenge the blood of one Israeli child? Adults? 1 Quote Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupslam1 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 6:16 PM, smltwnrckr said: I dunno, you tell me. I mean, answer your own question if you think it should be answered. How many Palestinian children need to die to avenge the blood of one Israeli child? Adults? You can’t reason with fanatics. I’d do exactly what the Israelis are doing. You want to kill our people, we’re going to kill 20 for every one that you killed. And that’s pretty much what the US did in response to 9/11 except it was a lot more than 20:1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecAlien Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 I'm guessing Jews are a little edgy after constantly being exiled throughout the world, including from the land some claim they're occupying. Six million of them were exterminated in 12 years. 25% in three months. And who knows how many Jews have lost their lives in conflicts since 1948, including on October 7th? But hey, it wasn't the Palestinians. Jeebus!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonkee Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 2:24 PM, RSF said: When the Palestinians bombed Pearl Harbor... The American lack of self-awareness in this thread is truly mind-blowing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawlorfaithful Posted December 20, 2023 Author Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 8:15 PM, toonkee said: The American lack of self-awareness in this thread is truly mind-blowing. No shit. This board is full of the damn dumbest smart people you’ll ever come across. Quote We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 5:21 PM, soupslam1 said: You can’t reason with fanatics. I’d do exactly what the Israelis are doing. You want to kill our people, we’re going to kill 20 for every one that you killed. And that’s pretty much what the US did in response to 9/11 except it was a lot more than 20:1. Does that include the Palestinian Christian’s and a Catholic Church’s Israel has attacked? https://www.christianpost.com/news/christians-worry-about-future-in-gaza-after-women-killed-in-church.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupslam1 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 9:35 PM, sactowndog said: Does that include the Palestinian Christian’s and a Catholic Church’s Israel has attacked? https://www.christianpost.com/news/christians-worry-about-future-in-gaza-after-women-killed-in-church.html When a war breaks out innocent people dying has always been an unfortunate byproduct of the fighting. You seem to forget who initiated this conflict. These people would still be alive if Hamas didn’t attack Israel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalinasSpartan Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/15/2023 at 12:42 PM, toonkee said: Chippewa, Cherokee, Irriqoui, Navajo... Doesn't matter who was there first. Never has. Yea, I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalinasSpartan Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 12:49 PM, AztecAlien said: How far back do you go? You know the saying about history repeating itself. However, it doesn't seem like humans have learned anything from it. Cleanse and repeat. How far back? Easy answer, late 1800s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalinasSpartan Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 5:21 PM, soupslam1 said: You can’t reason with fanatics. I’d do exactly what the Israelis are doing. You want to kill our people, we’re going to kill 20 for every one that you killed. And that’s pretty much what the US did in response to 9/11 except it was a lot more than 20:1. Yea but nobody on this earth gives a phuck what you would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornontheblue Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 6:21 PM, soupslam1 said: You can’t reason with fanatics. I’d do exactly what the Israelis are doing. You want to kill our people, we’re going to kill 20 for every one that you killed. And that’s pretty much what the US did in response to 9/11 except it was a lot more than 20:1. Terrorize the terrorists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoDogs22 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 5:21 PM, soupslam1 said: And that’s pretty much what the US did in response to 9/11 except it was a lot more than 20:1. And how did that work out for us? War on Terror was a blinding success, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_SD_Dude Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/20/2023 at 9:34 AM, GoDogs22 said: And how did that work out for us? War on Terror was a blinding success, right? 1 1 Quote Thay Haif Said: Quhat Say Thay? Lat Thame Say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 12:29 PM, smltwnrckr said: I mean, see my response above. If we're gonna play the counterfactual history game, we should go back to the causes of the causes. I would have more sympathy for the good faith question if the the state of Israel didn't immediately send spokesmen to international media sources to tell the world that we should absolve them of all their actions after Oct. 7 because of what happened. So, they didn't ask the question you are asking. Why should I ask it for them? But, again, IMO what you shouldn't do after a brutal attack that killed 1,400 people is to brutally attack and kill 16,000 and counting and demand that the entire international community (and God) absolve you of it. That is the opposite of the answer, IMO. You didn't even attempt to answer his question.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 5:48 PM, smltwnrckr said: I said in the first place it's a pointless question, and explained why it is pointless and its answers are meaningless at this point except to justify violence. What they should have done from the beginning is give an occupied people their rights. What they shouldn't have done is kill 20,000 people. If you think that's deflection, that's on you. Nonsense post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
