Nevada Convert Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 On 12/12/2023 at 4:06 PM, SalinasSpartan said: Not kill a shitload of civilians trying to accomplish a goal that cannot be accomplished militarily. LOL, of course it can. Maybe if it were your military. A few of the 30,000 Hamas terrorists will survive or remain free, but when Israel is done, those 30,000 will be gone and all of the tunnels will be destroyed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalinasSpartan Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 On 12/12/2023 at 8:38 PM, Nevada Convert said: LOL, of course it can. Maybe if it were your military. A few of the 30,000 Hamas terrorists will survive or remain free, but when Israel is done, those 30,000 will be gone and all of the tunnels will be destroyed. lol, ok dumbass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 False flag operations have been occurring: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smltwnrckr Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 On 12/12/2023 at 4:06 PM, SalinasSpartan said: Not kill a shitload of civilians trying to accomplish a goal that cannot be accomplished militarily. Nah. All those little kids were, like, Hamas. Or not people. Or both. 1 Quote Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smltwnrckr Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 On 12/11/2023 at 6:40 AM, toonkee said: This is a good question. Not really. It's a question from people who now realize that all the dead kiddos is a bad look, but don't want to go as far as saying the kiddos are real people who shouldn't be dead. More and more people will be asking this not-so-good question, but then doing a lot of shrugging, as if, you know.... waddayagunnado? It's not a question asked in good faith. It's a question meant as a last-ditch effort to justify what is unjustifiable. Quote Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonkee Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 On 12/13/2023 at 1:58 PM, smltwnrckr said: Not really. It's a question from people who now realize that all the dead kiddos is a bad look, but don't want to go as far as saying the kiddos are real people who shouldn't be dead. More and more people will be asking this not-so-good question, but then doing a lot of shrugging, as if, you know.... waddayagunnado? It's not a question asked in good faith. It's a question meant as a last-ditch effort to justify what is unjustifiable. I asked in good faith. I understand this all didn't begin on October 7th, but how should have Israel responded to the events of that day? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_SD_Dude Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/13/2023 at 1:55 PM, smltwnrckr said: Nah. All those little kids were, like, Hamas. Or not people. Or both. Here’s this year’s Nativity scene in the Lutheran Church (Palestinian Christians) in Bethlehem. 2 1 Quote Thay Haif Said: Quhat Say Thay? Lat Thame Say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sactowndog Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/13/2023 at 3:41 PM, toonkee said: I asked in good faith. I understand this all didn't begin on October 7th, but how should have Israel responded to the events of that day? Not with Phosphorus bombs on Civilian populations, not with half the bombs being dumb bombs, not with coordinated terrorizing of the West Bank. given the amount of warnings Israel was given from multiple sources one cannot rule out this whole campaign was done on purpose. It can only be massive incompetence or intentional. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanforHeisman Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Had Hamas not attacked Israel there wouldn’t be any dead kids in these videos.. not saying Israel hasn’t oppressed Palestine, clearly they have. Hamas will never win a conventional war with Israel, the war they should focus on is the war of public opinion. Get the world on your side. Bad thing is Hamas led Israel into a trap and they fell for it. They’ve already achieved their goal, which was making sure Saudi Arabia and Israel didn’t sign the peace accord. Loss of life means little to them when they’ve been brainwashed by religion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/13/2023 at 8:48 PM, sactowndog said: CNN just repeats what what Hamas tells them and state it as fact. Clarissa Ward, the biggest Hamas mouthpiece cvnt CNN correspondent is one of the worst. It’s absolutely pathetic. Just a second ago, she reported the latest Hamas propaganda on killed journalists that a total of 60 have been killed. The real number of actual real journalists killed is 5. 3 Israeli journalists and 2 Palestinian journalists have been killed in Gaza since October 7th. For example, the UN and many others stupid people think that the people that videotaped Hamas as they left Gaza on their October 7th slaughter were journalists. They were actually part of Hamas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/13/2023 at 10:25 PM, IanforHeisman said: Had Hamas not attacked Israel there wouldn’t be any dead kids in these videos.. not saying Israel hasn’t oppressed Palestine, clearly they have. Hamas will never win a conventional war with Israel, the war they should focus on is the war of public opinion. Get the world on your side. Bad thing is Hamas led Israel into a trap and they fell for it. They’ve already achieved their goal, which was making sure Saudi Arabia and Israel didn’t sign the peace accord. Loss of life means little to them when they’ve been brainwashed by religion. Per intercepted Hamas communications, Hamas miscalculated on the attack. They thought for sure that Biden wouldn’t get involved. They were counting on Hezbollah to attack from the North if Israel invaded Gaza. Hezbollah is afraid of our 2 strikes groups off the coast. They thought wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawlorfaithful Posted December 14, 2023 Author Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/13/2023 at 10:25 PM, IanforHeisman said: Had Hamas not attacked Israel there wouldn’t be any dead kids in these videos.. not saying Israel hasn’t oppressed Palestine, clearly they have. Hamas will never win a conventional war with Israel, the war they should focus on is the war of public opinion. Get the world on your side. Bad thing is Hamas led Israel into a trap and they fell for it. They’ve already achieved their goal, which was making sure Saudi Arabia and Israel didn’t sign the peace accord. Loss of life means little to them when they’ve been brainwashed by religion. Israel was led into a trap? Egypt and Jordan want nothing to do with Palestinian refugees. The world’s super power is behind Israel. Our biggest rival in the region is bogged down in a territorial war in Ukraine. Israel has a free hand here. Hamas has to go. We’re not seeing regional support like with Iraq. Quote We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanforHeisman Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Only Palestine can get rid of Hamas.. hope they’re strong enough to one day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_SD_Dude Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 1:13 AM, IanforHeisman said: Only Palestine can get rid of Hamas.. hope they’re strong enough to one day. Absolutely nothing that is happening will result in a Palestinian population that is less antagonistic (with reason) towards Israel. If Hamas is destroyed that antagonism will ultimately find expression in another organization in the same way Hamas succeeded the PLO and the PFLP. And based on this limited sample, each succeeding organization becomes more radical. 2 Quote Thay Haif Said: Quhat Say Thay? Lat Thame Say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulldogBeliever Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 1:25 AM, IanforHeisman said: Had Hamas not attacked Israel there wouldn’t be any dead kids in these videos.. not saying Israel hasn’t oppressed Palestine, clearly they have. Hamas will never win a conventional war with Israel, the war they should focus on is the war of public opinion. Get the world on your side. Bad thing is Hamas led Israel into a trap and they fell for it. They’ve already achieved their goal, which was making sure Saudi Arabia and Israel didn’t sign the peace accord. Loss of life means little to them when they’ve been brainwashed by religion. Blame innocents for actions taken by people whom they had no control over. You're sick. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalinasSpartan Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 7:08 AM, Old_SD_Dude said: Absolutely nothing that is happening will result in a Palestinian population that is less antagonistic (with reason) towards Israel. If Hamas is destroyed that antagonism will ultimately find expression in another organization in the same way Hamas succeeded the PLO and the PFLP. And based on this limited sample, each succeeding organization becomes more radical. Exactly. The problem cannot be solved by Israeli militarily. And i guess I’ll clarify what I mean by the problem since I guess it’s unclear: the conditions imposed by the state of Israel that will necessarily lead to extremist groups forming in Palestine, especially Gaza. Those conditions are the actual problem that is ultimately leading to violence. And even people in this thread that think the slaughter of Palestinians is perfectly fine if it is in service of “eradicating” Hamas have freely admitted the conditions in Gaza will lead reasonable people to become militant extremists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkTanked Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 8:39 AM, SalinasSpartan said: Exactly. The problem cannot be solved by Israeli militarily. And i guess I’ll clarify what I mean by the problem since I guess it’s unclear: the conditions imposed by the state of Israel that will necessarily lead to extremist groups forming in Palestine, especially Gaza. Those conditions are the actual problem that is ultimately leading to violence. And even people in this thread that think the slaughter of Palestinians is perfectly fine if it is in service of “eradicating” Hamas have freely admitted the conditions in Gaza will lead reasonable people to become militant extremists. It's a circular argument of blame. The conditions Israel forced on Gaza were due to terrorist attacks emanating from the region. The terrorist attacks emanating from the region are a result of the conditions forced on Gaza from Israel. The conditions Israel forced on Gaza were due to terrorist attacks emanating from the region. The terrorist attacks emanating from the region are a result of the conditions forced on Gaza from Israel. What breaks the cycle and who is responsible for doing so? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/13/2023 at 11:35 PM, Nevada Convert said: CNN just repeats what what Hamas tells them and state it as fact. Clarissa Ward, the biggest Hamas mouthpiece cvnt CNN correspondent is one of the worst. It’s absolutely pathetic. Just a second ago, she reported the latest Hamas propaganda on killed journalists that a total of 60 have been killed. The real number of actual real journalists killed is 5. 3 Israeli journalists and 2 Palestinian journalists have been killed in Gaza since October 7th. For example, the UN and many others stupid people think that the people that videotaped Hamas as they left Gaza on their October 7th slaughter were journalists. They were actually part of Hamas. Apparently you don’t bother to actually read before speaking. That data point comes from the Director of National Intelligence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 9:10 AM, SharkTanked said: It's a circular argument of blame. The conditions Israel forced on Gaza were due to terrorist attacks emanating from the region. The terrorist attacks emanating from the region are a result of the conditions forced on Gaza from Israel. The conditions Israel forced on Gaza were due to terrorist attacks emanating from the region. The terrorist attacks emanating from the region are a result of the conditions forced on Gaza from Israel. What breaks the cycle and who is responsible for doing so? Certainly we have to start with looking at ourselves and a political class too beholden to AIPAC which gives Israel free reign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
