SDUT article on BSU special deal

[An Admirer from the East]

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2023-09-20/san-diego-state-sdsu-aztecs-mountain-west-boise-state-1-8-million-carve-out-tv-contract-craig-thompson

Highlights of the article:

• Still sore subject especially in light of BSU declining performance
• Hair claims he told the MWC Board not to do it, that BSU had nowhere else to go
• Gloria is quoted as saying  she won't revisit...."we cant...it's a contract...been tried before...it is what it is."
• Mentions if MWC goes to PAC would have to be addressed. 

[CPslograd]

On 9/21/2023 at 1:52 PM, An Admirer from the East said:

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2023-09-20/san-diego-state-sdsu-aztecs-mountain-west-boise-state-1-8-million-carve-out-tv-contract-craig-thompson

Highlights of the article:

• Still sore subject especially in light of BSU declining performance
• Hair claims he told the MWC Board not to do it, that BSU had nowhere else to go
• Gloria is quoted as saying  she won't revisit...."we cant...it's a contract...been tried before...it is what it is."
• Mentions if MWC goes to PAC would have to be addressed. 

Thanks for posting that.  It will be interesting to see how PAC Mountain goes forward, and whether it is equal or unequal revenue 

[AztecAlien]

The way the special agreement for BSU was drawn up is the problem. Not allowing for changes to that agreement based on future performance or having an expiration/negotiation date wasn't smart. However, Boise St had some solid arguments for getting more money at the time and why they continue to do so.

"At the time, Boise State had gone 84-8 over the previous seven seasons, including a four-year stretch where they were 50-3 and ranked as high as No. 4 in the AP poll."

"Their argument, though, is based less on victories than viewership. In the last 10 conference championship games, those with Boise State have drawn a 31.7 percent larger audience than those without. Bowl game viewership has shown a 53 percent bump with the Broncos. (Regular-season games are harder to compare because CBS Sports Network, the other primary TV partner, isn’t part of the Nielsen ratings system.)"

I would say very solid arguments. The way the special agreement was written and allowed lies on the rest of the conference members at the time as well. 

 

 

 

 

 

[wolfpack1]

On 9/21/2023 at 4:12 PM, CPslograd said:

Thanks for posting that.  It will be interesting to see how PAC Mountain goes forward, and whether it is equal or unequal revenue 

Thinking it will be unequal

[soupslam1]

On 9/21/2023 at 6:09 PM, wolfpack1 said:

Thinking it will be unequal

WSU and OSU are likely going to want bigger shares which could become a sticking point. Uneven revenue sharing is divisive and I’m for equal shares even if Boise State loses the extra cash. 

If there is unequal sharing it should be tied to performance and TV demand, and adjusted every year. 

[Bob]

It needs to go away.

[4UNLV]

On 9/22/2023 at 7:20 AM, soupslam1 said:

WSU and OSU are likely going to want bigger shares which could become a sticking point. Uneven revenue sharing is divisive and I’m for equal shares even if Boise State loses the extra cash. 

If there is unequal sharing it should be tied to performance and TV demand, and adjusted every year. 

My feeling is that if MW schools join what’s left of the Pac, WSU and OSU should get bigger shares for a certain number of years, no way into perpetuity. If those 2 join the MW, not so much, but they’re not going to tolerate Boise getting more than them. But I think it should go the other way for PAC reasons, and we need to get rid of Boise’s extra, which might be the only way to do it. Like Hair said, where else were they going to go? 

[Super six]

With an additional 1.8 million dollars, one might expect Boise to have a baseball team. However, they choose to pay their coaches more money even though they consistently lose to Fresno State, whose coaching staff is superior.

[aardvark6]

On 9/22/2023 at 10:21 AM, Super six said:

With an additional 1.8 million dollars, one might expect Boise to have a baseball team. However, they choose to pay their coaches more money even though they consistently lose to Fresno State, whose coaching staff is superior.

Boise did restart their baseball program after a long period with no baseball.  In 2020.  It lasted 14 games.  Covid 1, BSU Baseball 0.  Final.

It hasn't been seen since.

[wolfpack1]

On 9/22/2023 at 7:20 AM, soupslam1 said:

WSU and OSU are likely going to want bigger shares which could become a sticking point. Uneven revenue sharing is divisive and I’m for equal shares even if Boise State loses the extra cash. 

If there is unequal sharing it should be tied to performance and TV demand, and adjusted every year. 

They will get bigger shares it will just be how much and how long but a lot of it will depend on TV partners that we have as well. I would think if they want to do a reverse merger they will want a bigger share like other conferences are doing and then get to full shares later on. 

Thing is schools need to know a hard number with their funding and not guessing year to year if anything do what ACC is doing, put that money into a pool and distributed out like a bonus for how well you do, not tied into the money a school will get according to a TV deal. 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 9/21/2023 at 6:07 PM, AztecAlien said:

The way the special agreement for BSU was drawn up is the problem. Not allowing for changes to that agreement based on future performance or having an expiration/negotiation date wasn't smart. However, Boise St had some solid arguments for getting more money at the time and why they continue to do so.

"At the time, Boise State had gone 84-8 over the previous seven seasons, including a four-year stretch where they were 50-3 and ranked as high as No. 4 in the AP poll."

"Their argument, though, is based less on victories than viewership. In the last 10 conference championship games, those with Boise State have drawn a 31.7 percent larger audience than those without. Bowl game viewership has shown a 53 percent bump with the Broncos. (Regular-season games are harder to compare because CBS Sports Network, the other primary TV partner, isn’t part of the Nielsen ratings system.)"

I would say very solid arguments. The way the special agreement was written and allowed lies on the rest of the conference members at the time as well. 

 

 

 

 

 

This is my beef. The MWC NEEDED Boise at the time.  At the time during that contract, and even this most recent contract.  Boise was the program they cared about.  More than any other.  Every school in the MWC has made more money with the Boise deal than if Boise stayed in the AAC, by, like, a lot.  

For example look at what happened to the WAC deal when Boise left.  ESPN valued Boise at 60% the total net worth of the entire conference.  

[Headbutt]

On 9/22/2023 at 10:45 AM, 4UNLV said:

My feeling is that if MW schools join what’s left of the Pac, WSU and OSU should get bigger shares for a certain number of years, no way into perpetuity. If those 2 join the MW, not so much, but they’re not going to tolerate Boise getting more than them. But I think it should go the other way for PAC reasons, and we need to get rid of Boise’s extra, which might be the only way to do it. Like Hair said, where else were they going to go? 

I wouldn't give them bigger shares, just let them keep everything they get from the Pac implosion.  I'm not oppose to unequal revenue as long as it's earned and not guaranteed.  Take 14 schools and a media contract and divide the contract by 20 shares (random #, just making a point).  Every team can count on one share.  The extra six can be used as a post season bonus based on a predetermined formula.  X share for the dance, X% of a share for a bowl, etc.  You get to eat what you kill without harming the overall health of the conference.  Put a little aside for Oly sports championships.  Find a formula everyone can agree on and let the battles begin.

Stable conference with incentives.

[sactowndog]

The promotion relegation model is a form of performance bonus which is fine because it can be earned by all.   

[sactowndog]

Boise is a very litigious University which has some advantages but I’m sure has made them more than a few enemies.  

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/college-sports/2023/suny-morrisville-black-turf-boise-state-trademark-1234738880/

I would guess their rep has impacted their ability to move up.