Joel Klatt predicts teams will eventually be dropped from Conferences

[Gonzagafan2021]

https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2023/05/27/joel-klatt-predicts-teams-will-eventually-be-dropped-from-conferences/

 

[ph90702]

Welcome UNLV!

[Headbutt]

On 5/27/2023 at 5:13 PM, Gonzagafan2021 said:

https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2023/05/27/joel-klatt-predicts-teams-will-eventually-be-dropped-from-conferences/

 

Wow, breaking news...sarcasm.

Klatt definitely presents one aspect of the trajectory CFB is on.  Let's address another one.  The Pac and the MWC comprise the only conferences in 50% of the country's time zones.  If the Big 12 fails to adequately raid those conferences (I don't think the B1G will go much further out west considering the east coast pickings available), then there will still be viable media interest out west that is NEEDED for content.  Yes, a low population without the interest in CFB that the Southeast and upper Midwest bring, but still 50% of the country.  It's not a lot to cling to, but it is legitimate.  I do believe most of the political gyrations in CFB will be centered out east.

[utgrizfan]

Intersting and very much possible. If/when it happens off the top of my head the for sure teams gone:

SEC:

-Kick Vanderbilt 

BIG10:

-Kick Northwestern 

-Kick Prudue 

ACC:

-Can't think of any teams that would add value over their current members off the top of my head.

Outside of that not to sure considering the Big12 and PAC12 would probably take all they could to try and increase their value and be rooting against the other to lose schools so they could potentially poach them.

 

[TheTedfordTrain]

Looking at athletic budgets and fan support, it’s obvious which school needs to be dropped from this conference. And it’s okay, no need to feel guilty about it, they already know it and destroyed half their stadium in anticipation. 

[Gonzagafan2021]

On 5/27/2023 at 9:24 PM, TheTedfordTrain said:

Looking at athletic budgets and fan support, it’s obvious which school needs to be dropped from this conference. And it’s okay, no need to feel guilty about it, they already know it and destroyed half their stadium in anticipation. 

Fresno??

[TheTedfordTrain]

On 5/27/2023 at 6:25 PM, Gonzagafan2021 said:

Fresno??

Are you retarded? 

[godogsgo]

[Nevada Convert]

On 5/27/2023 at 6:27 PM, TheTedfordTrain said:

Are you retarded? 

I read there’s 2 significant trends that are affecting coach burnout which is also starting to threaten the future of G5’s. The transfer portal is certainly one major issue for G5 HC’s because of the workload increase it with very limited budgets. 

The other trend is increased HC expectations combined with obsessive fans that treat their HC’s like they’re some sort of comic strip super hero’s. Many of these obsessive fans treat their HC as if he was the daddy they never had, and this results in coaches having to get restraining orders. 

After landing in jail a few times for violating them, these crazy people typically turn to conference message boards to proclaim their obsessive man-crush love. Fortunately, they’re easy to spot. Their monikers stand out like a shirtless MS-13 gang member does at a Joel Olsteen church service. 

[Headbutt]

On 5/27/2023 at 8:12 PM, Nevada Convert said:

I read there’s 2 significant trends that are affecting coach burnout which is also starting to threaten the future of G5’s. The transfer portal is certainly one major issue for G5 HC’s because of the workload increase it with very limited budgets. 

The other trend is increased HC expectations combined with obsessive fans that treat their HC’s like they’re some sort of comic strip super hero’s. Many of these obsessive fans treat their HC as if he was the daddy they never had, and this results in coaches having to get restraining orders. 

After landing in jail a few times for violating them, these crazy people typically turn to conference message boards to proclaim their obsessive man-crush love. Fortunately, they’re easy to spot. Their monikers stand out like a shirtless MS-13 gang member does at a Joel Olsteen church service. 

Really nothing new here, other than your jail time.  You probably should have worn the dress shorts to court.

[Nevada Convert]

On 5/27/2023 at 7:16 PM, Headbutt said:

Really nothing new here, other than your jail time.  You probably should have worn the dress shorts to court.

You have it reversed. I should tell the story again since it’s been so long and so many remember it wrong.

I tried to fight a couple tickets in San Diego in 83 & 84, and a third of the place in the courtroom wore dress shorts. Normal, totally accepted.

It was the summer of 1985 and I was going north on 395 just north of Adelanto. I had a guard red Porsche 924 and a CHP was hiding a couple hundred yards off the road out in the desert on a hill and I immediately saw him because I knew their hiding places. I was hauling ass and I slowed down to 55. Speed limits back then were horrendous. The CA state speed limit was 55 everywhere. 

So I’m cruising at 55, and he stays way back hoping I don’t see him and speed up again. He couldn’t get me on radar when I was speeding because I was at a near perpendicular angle to him. Finally after 10 miles he pulls me over and writes me up for 75!! That Fvcker was flat out lying. He said he followed me and clocked me. 

The cop was out of Barstow, so I showed up at a courtroom there in August to fight it. It was like 113 that day. So I walk into court, sit down. And I watched countless losers walk in with ‘wake up’ hair wearing worn Levi’s and crappy t-shirts and dirty tennis shoes. 

So the old fart bailiff comes out and sternly/angrily says, “The Honorable Shantytown Dipshit (don’t remember his real name) is aware that there’s someone here that’s wearing shorts. He’s going to give this defendant the opportunity to leave the court and return appropriately dressed. Failure to do so will result in being charged with Contempt of Court, and will be immediately jailed.”

So the Bailiff left, and some people were looking at me like I just killed their dog. I decided to sit there and weigh my options. I was pretty pissed, and stubborn. Part of me wanted to call his bluff, and If I got arrested, it would be funny and I could go to the media and embarrass the judge. So I sat there for 5 minutes, which was an eternity. People were looking at me like I’m dressed like an alien from another planet that likes to go to jail. 

Finally, the “I just want to get this over with and get out of here” won over the stubborn side and I left. I was at home for the weekend so I had some Levi’s in my bag in my car, so I just changed out in the open in the court parking lot and then came back in. The judge was already hearing a case.

So my turn came, and I knew I had no chance to win, and the old fart arrogant judge never gave me a chance. So being young and dumb, I tried to see what I could get away with being a smart ass, and I wasn’t able to get away with much. I told him, “wearing dress shorts in a civilized area such as a San Diego courtroom where it’s actually 1985 is totally normal and acceptable. My apologies to you and the court for not knowing that it’s going to take Barstow quite a while longer to get there. It’s my fault, and I shouldn’t have made that assumption. So the judge just lost it, and I was lucky he didn’t make an example out of me. 

 

[East Coast Aztec]

On 5/27/2023 at 4:56 PM, utgrizfan said:

Intersting and very much possible. If/when it happens off the top of my head the for sure teams gone:

SEC:

-Kick Vanderbilt 

BIG10:

-Kick Northwestern 

-Kick Prudue 

ACC:

-Can't think of any teams that would add value over their current members off the top of my head.

Outside of that not to sure considering the Big12 and PAC12 would probably take all they could to try and increase their value and be rooting against the other to lose schools so they could potentially poach them.

 

Charter members aren't getting the boot from established power conferences.  

[CPslograd]

On 5/27/2023 at 9:39 PM, East Coast Aztec said:

Charter members aren't getting the boot from established power conferences.  

agreed.  Although various revenue models other than equal shares is possible.

[RebelAlliance]

What is the mechanism to drop charter or even longstanding members from a conference.  It had better have long been codified in the conference's bylaws or the lawsuits will be gargantuan.

Northwestern and Purdue are not getting kicked out of the B1G.  Northwestern is the best academic school in the league (it is the B1G we're talking about) and has been relatively competitive in football for the last thirty years.  Purdue has solid middle of the pack academics (by B1G standards), a power in basketball and usually has a couple of solid football seasons per decade.

[utgrizfan]

On 5/28/2023 at 11:45 AM, RebelAlliance said:

What is the mechanism to drop charter or even longstanding members from a conference.  It had better have long been codified in the conference's bylaws or the lawsuits will be gargantuan.

Northwestern and Purdue are not getting kicked out of the B1G.  Northwestern is the best academic school in the league (it is the B1G we're talking about) and has been relatively competitive in football for the last thirty years.  Purdue has solid middle of the pack academics (by B1G standards), a power in basketball and usually has a couple of solid football seasons per decade.

Only reason I picked them was based on what Conferences see as "value" which translates to $$ in this day and age. Wasn't a dig against either based on their on the field performance.

[East Coast Aztec]

On 5/28/2023 at 12:08 PM, utgrizfan said:

Only reason I picked them was based on what Conferences see as "value" which translates to $$ in this day and age. Wasn't a dig against either based on their on the field performance.

Nortwestern is likely untouchable.  A private elite academic institution in the heart of the Big Ten is exactly what the Big Ten would want.  They can put up with less than stellar athletics for that.  Purdue is still a big university with well-paid and heavily supportive alumni, mostly situated in the Midwest.  Big Ten would ditch Maryland and Rutgers and the LA schools well before they would consider dropping them.  Money matters, but Big Ten is akin to old money, so the perspective is different than most other conferences.

[818SUDSFan]

On 5/28/2023 at 10:45 AM, RebelAlliance said:

What is the mechanism to drop charter or even longstanding members from a conference.  It had better have long been codified in the conference's bylaws or the lawsuits will be gargantuan.

Northwestern and Purdue are not getting kicked out of the B1G.  Northwestern is the best academic school in the league (it is the B1G we're talking about) and has been relatively competitive in football for the last thirty years.  Purdue has solid middle-of-the-pack academics (by B1G standards), a power in basketball and usually has a couple of solid football seasons per decade.

Kicking schools out is a really bad look for a college conference. It's much better to force them to leave. Rather than concede to the insistence of Tulane and Georgia Tech in the late fifties and sixties that academics should be more important than football, the rest of the SEC doubled down and made football twice as important as academics - or 3-4 times more important in the case of Alabama. (https://tulanehullabaloo.com/61062/sports/why-tulane-left-the-sec/ )

Although I don't envision such a scenario ever occurring with the B1G, I do think it's inevitable that inequitable revenue sharing, NIL money, and the like will result in Vanderbilt eventually suffering the same fate in the SEC.

Also seemingly inevitable is that unless Congress steps in to stop it, the B1G and the SEC are going to leave the NCAA and develop their own new level of college football composed of 40 or so schools. Also probable is that the next most valuable 40-ish football programs will manage in some manner to continue to qualify for the CFP but only the most highly rated 2-4 will be guaranteed a slot.

[RebelAlliance]

On 5/28/2023 at 3:04 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

Kicking schools out is a really bad look for a college conference. It's much better to force them to leave. Rather than concede to the insistence of Tulane and Georgia Tech in the late fifties and sixties that academics should be more important than football, the rest of the SEC doubled down and made football twice as important as academics - or 3-4 times more important in the case of Alabama. (https://tulanehullabaloo.com/61062/sports/why-tulane-left-the-sec/ )

Although I don't envision such a scenario ever occurring with the B1G, I do think it's inevitable that inequitable revenue sharing, NIL money, and the like will result in Vanderbilt eventually suffering the same fate in the SEC.

Also seemingly inevitable is that unless Congress steps in to stop it, the B1G and the SEC are going to leave the NCAA and develop their own new level of college football composed of 40 or so schools. Also probable is that the next most valuable 40-ish football programs will manage in some manner to continue to qualify for the CFP but only the most highly rated 2-4 will be guaranteed a slot.

I could see it happening in the SEC with Vanderbilt.  The difference between the SEC and the B1G is that the football powers that are driving athletic revenue aren't Bama and LSU.  In fact, one I'd call an elite public (Michigan), and the other three (Wisconsin, Ohio State and Penn State), I'd place in the group right behind Michigan.

[Wyobraska]

Wouldn't a new type of league or conference be formed rather than the legal battle of dropping conference members, especially long standing ones.

[SalinasSpartan]

On 5/28/2023 at 12:51 PM, East Coast Aztec said:

Nortwestern is likely untouchable.  A private elite academic institution in the heart of the Big Ten is exactly what the Big Ten would want.  They can put up with less than stellar athletics for that.  Purdue is still a big university with well-paid and heavily supportive alumni, mostly situated in the Midwest.  Big Ten would ditch Maryland and Rutgers and the LA schools well before they would consider dropping them.  Money matters, but Big Ten is akin to old money, so the perspective is different than most other conferences.

I agree with your general point, but the “LA schools” are not equal. USC is far too valuable for the B1G to ever drop.