grandjean87 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Says NYT column w/some extra thoughts: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/23/briefing/ron-desantis.html "DeSantis is expected to formally enter the race as soon as tomorrow. Here are two narratives about his candidacy that could use revising. Narrative 1: DeSantis is toast. Reality: There is an opening for a Trump alternative, whether it’s DeSantis or someone else. Narrative 2: DeSantis’s biggest problem is Donald Trump. Reality: Yes, but he has another problem to confront first." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tailingpermit Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 MAKE AMERICA FLORIDA!!!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmartigan Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/23/2023 at 11:52 AM, tailingpermit said: MAKE AMERICA FLORIDA!!!!! Only if it has as good of beaches as Orlando. 1 Quote There are only two things I can't stand in this world: people who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailingpermit Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/23/2023 at 1:58 PM, madmartigan said: Only if it has as good of beaches as Orlando. Close… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailingpermit Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 He’s going to announce it on Twitter with Musk, lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azgreg Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Trump is going to kill him. 1 1 Quote People, not a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailingpermit Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/23/2023 at 2:53 PM, azgreg said: Trump is going to kill him. They’re going to kill each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNLV2001 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/23/2023 at 11:53 AM, azgreg said: Trump is going to kill him. This coming GOP primary might be the greatest crap show in US history !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjean87 Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 On 5/23/2023 at 11:43 AM, grandjean87 said: Related: I think all the other Rs in the race will point the Trump term-limited factor. Obviously, a second Trump term could be succeeded by another R, but it's still a good political point to make in the primary which will probably turn out different in some ways than foretold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Coast Aztec Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 These election cycles are starting to feel like spending a week in NOLA with binge drinkers. "Really, we are doing this already? I am not even over my hangover!" 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoDogs22 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 He's toast, but he's going to do better than the other elected officials that have already entered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renoskier Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/23/2023 at 12:04 PM, tailingpermit said: They’re going to kill each other. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjean87 Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 On 5/23/2023 at 2:20 PM, GoDogs22 said: He's toast, but he's going to do better than the other elected officials that have already entered He's more mashed potatoes and gravy than toast, but we digress. DeSantis has a few things that will last and Trump doesn't have majority support w/in the party. Biden just has a high supermajority disapproval in this polarized era. RdS's $100+ million war chest goes a looong ways. He can make mistakes, look bad in debates, and reframe his candidacy over and over again. I think he's already done that subtlety w/Ukraine. He's got an attractive wife who will play the Hillary '92 role better and (assuming) not have to deal with an affair scandal. Casey wants First Lady. She's not getting sidetracked even if missing expectations in Iowa. The early default view that a crowded field, and it seems like Christie is also headed into the waters, hands the nomination to Trump is not assured. I don't think any of them fear, or are really intimidated by, Trump any longer. We'll probably see a lot of gang tackling. And, there are ways for the gang to criticize Trump, point out his weaknesses esp. in the general, and avoid alienating most of the humpers. Anyway, I think we'll see a fair amount of unexpected things as the primary race heats up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNLV2001 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 My thinking the order will be 1) trump - his cult is dedicated & won't waver from following their leader 2) Deathsantis - His fascist antics in Florida are popular among the republican base who's main goal is "owning the libs" but probably isn't overly popular with the declining % of registered republicans who still maintain some level of sanity & can see that Deathsantis policies are just culture war battles to own the libs 3) Everyone else - All the rest will be fumbling along in the shadows of trump & Deathsantis feverishly attempting to get any traction that can muster while trump eviscerates 'Desanctimonious' every hour sucking the air out of every news day over the coming 532 days until election day Will be the biggest shit show ever in American politics & something right out of the movie IDIOCRACY <--- There's a good % of the republican base that would vote for any candidate who actually did this during a campaign stop 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmartigan Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/23/2023 at 3:09 PM, UNLV2001 said: My thinking the order will be 1) trump - his cult is dedicated & won't waver from following their leader 2) Deathsantis - His fascist antics in Florida are popular among the republican base who's main goal is "owning the libs" but probably isn't overly popular with the declining % of registered republicans who still maintain some level of sanity & can see that Deathsantis policies are just culture war battles to own the libs 3) Everyone else - All the rest will be fumbling along in the shadows of trump & Deathsantis feverishly attempting to get any traction that can muster while trump eviscerates 'Desanctimonious' every hour sucking the air out of every news day over the coming 532 days until election day Will be the biggest shit show ever in American politics & something right out of the movie IDIOCRACY <--- There's a good % of the republican base that would vote for any candidate who actually did this during a campaign stop What are some of DeSantis fascist antics? I haven't followed closely (I don't watch the news) so I'm curious. Quote There are only two things I can't stand in this world: people who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNLV2001 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/23/2023 at 2:16 PM, madmartigan said: What are some of DeSantis fascist antics? I haven't followed closely (I don't watch the news) so I'm curious. https://time.com/6266618/ron-desantis-florida-governance-essay/ It takes awhile to list the crapfest that dersantis has caused in FLA Most is the general right wing hot button issues of the moment........book banning, fighting the imaginary scourge of 'drag shows', immigration failures killing some biz, the ongoing war with Mickey Mouse that riles up the dumbasses in the base, and the usual racist / fascist leanings that are popular in right wing circles these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornontheblue Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/23/2023 at 1:56 PM, grandjean87 said: I think all the other Rs in the race will point the Trump term-limited factor. Obviously, a second Trump term could be succeeded by another R, but it's still a good political point to make in the primary which will probably turn out different in some ways than foretold. Haven't you heard. If Trump is reelected he is just going to call it the 1st term do over and he can try to get a third term. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornontheblue Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/23/2023 at 3:09 PM, UNLV2001 said: Will be the biggest shit show ever in American politics & something right out of the movie IDIOCRACY Kind alike the time Trump called out the debate moderator in 2016 for being on the rag, or when the conversation turned into a cock measuring contest, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjean87 Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 On 5/23/2023 at 3:16 PM, madmartigan said: What are some of DeSantis fascist antics? I haven't followed closely (I don't watch the news) so I'm curious. Fascist is hyperbolic, but the guy has taken actions and messaged in a number ways that echo Orban's authoritarianism in Hungary (or a Trump wet dream). The actions against Disney for basically "speech" is concerning (and stoopid). His framing and actions of the hot button sexuality issues are political strategy, but they are concerning regarding 1st Amendment rights. The Florida Leg introducing bills like blogger registrations and banning CRT teaching in higher ed with RdS nodding in politically motivated agreement are also leaning into the authoritarian mold. There's more in many articles. I could link, but an easy Google search will bring plenty to digest. This really isn't new -- use of power to punish and leverage wedge issues. A few years back in NC, iirc, a sitting governor lost election, his party controlled the leg, and in a lame duck session they stripped a handful of powers from the governor's office before the other party took over. But, that's the kind of stuff that has happened across the post-Cold War democracies and seems to be more and more at risk here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
