DeSantis nails this one.

[Nevada Convert]

On 5/13/2023 at 7:18 AM, Spaztecs said:

Hell, while we're at it, let's included Muslims, Jews, Mexicans, LGBTQ, and Libs.

 

Dude, you’re epistemophobic. Pull the head out. 

[sactowndog]

On 5/13/2023 at 11:49 AM, East Coast Aztec said:

Big difference on non-citizens buying lands and homes vs Americans with various backgrounds buying lands and homes.  

Correct many foreigner countries put limits on foreign nationals buying homes.  The problem is it can and has turn racially nasty.   I don’t know the details of the Florida law but I hope permanent residents of Chinese descent are not included.   Otherwise it is straight up racism.  

[bsu_alum9]

On 5/12/2023 at 12:34 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Desantis nails this one.

State should control and regulate who can own property?

[Nevada Convert]

On 5/13/2023 at 11:06 PM, sactowndog said:

Correct many foreigner countries put limits on foreign nationals buying homes.  The problem is it can and has turn racially nasty.   I don’t know the details of the Florida law but I hope permanent residents of Chinese descent are not included.   Otherwise it is straight up racism.  

The problem is China pays the school bill for a lot of students that come over from China. They like them to get jobs in companies that interest the Chinese government.

The deal is that once they get the jobs, settle down, get the trust of their employer and co-workers, at any point they can be told they’re being activated to steal secrets in a number of different areas. It’s been devastating to our military and other areas.

We’ve discovered that China has enforcers all over the country that deal with Chinese refusing to do their duty for the CCP. We recently discovered a secret Chinese police station on an entire floor of a building in Manhattan that was there to deal with Chinese workers in NYC. Many Chinese have a lot of family back home and they can also be imprisoned if they don’t cooperate. 

So it’s a very real and concerning situation. I think the FBI needs to look at anyone buying property in the vicinity of a military base, particularly Chinese people that are 1st or 2nd generation from China. The race isn’t the issue. It’s the particular country that they’re coming from. I think we’d be just as concerned if the old Soviet Union were planting whites in our industries to spy and steal. 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 5/14/2023 at 12:22 AM, bsu_alum9 said:

State should control and regulate who can own property?

For American citizens?  No.

[sactowndog]

On 5/13/2023 at 11:37 PM, Nevada Convert said:

The problem is China pays the school bill for a lot of students that come over from China. They like them to get jobs in companies that interest the Chinese government.

The deal is that once they get the jobs, settle down, get the trust of their employer and co-workers, at any point they can be told they’re being activated to steal secrets in a number of different areas. It’s been devastating to our military and other areas.

We’ve discovered that China has enforcers all over the country that deal with Chinese refusing to do their duty for the CCP. We recently discovered a secret Chinese police station on an entire floor of a building in Manhattan that was there to deal with Chinese workers in NYC. Many Chinese have a lot of family back home and they can also be imprisoned if they don’t cooperate. 

So it’s a very real and concerning situation. I think the FBI needs to look at anyone buying property in the vicinity of a military base, particularly Chinese people that are 1st or 2nd generation from China. The race isn’t the issue. It’s the particular country that they’re coming from. I think we’d be just as concerned if the old Soviet Union were planting whites in our industries to spy and steal. 

You need to spend some time looking at how Asians were treated at the start of the century.  You are treading very close to some nasty stuff.  

[Nevada Convert]

On 5/14/2023 at 12:33 AM, sactowndog said:

You need to spend some time looking at how Asians were treated at the start of the century.  You are treading very close to some nasty stuff.  

I’m completely aware of how the Chinese were treated in the 1800’s out west all the way to the Japanese in WWII. There’s a myth that all the Japanese were forced to stay in camps against their will. Actually, in some camps they could come and go if they wanted, but they had nowhere to go since their assets were seized. The main crime wasn’t the internment, it was the government theft of their assets. They were not returned after the war.

The internment was an unfortunate over-reaction, but I think it was totally understandable in the context of what the free world was up against at that time. They couldn’t afford to be wrong. They were catching plenty of Japanese citizens on the west coast and Hawaii working for Japan. They were treated very well in the camps. The crime was not getting their property back. 

[sactowndog]

On 5/14/2023 at 1:27 AM, Nevada Convert said:

I’m completely aware of how the Chinese were treated in the 1800’s out west all the way to the Japanese in WWII. There’s a myth that all the Japanese were forced to stay in camps against their will. Actually, in some camps they could come and go if they wanted, but they had nowhere to go since their assets were seized. The main crime wasn’t the internment, it was the government theft of their assets. They were not returned after the war.

The internment was an unfortunate over-reaction, but I think it was totally understandable in the context of what the free world was up against at that time. They couldn’t afford to be wrong. They were catching plenty of Japanese citizens on the west coast and Hawaii working for Japan. They were treated very well in the camps. The crime was not getting their property back. 

They weren’t.  You need to learn some history and stop being ignorant.  

[Nevada Convert]

On 5/14/2023 at 8:06 AM, sactowndog said:

They weren’t.  You need to learn some history and stop being ignorant.  

Don’t lecture me about the history you don’t know enough of. 

• There were about 150,000 Japanese in Hawaii, and only about 7,500 of those were interred.
• 1/3 of the Japanese in the west were non-US Citizens. They tended to stay loyal to Japan and kept their native culture. They were known as Issei.
• 2/3 were 2nd generation Japanese, born in the US getting Citizenship. They considered themselves loyal Americans accepting the culture. They were known as Nisei.
• Then there was a smaller group of US loyal 3rd gen Japanese.
• Nisei kids ready to go to college were allowed to leave and go off to college. 4,000
• Nisei were allowed to work, and as noted below, Nisei that were verified as loyal Americans were allowed to leave all together. 
• The Issei were the non-citizens that weren’t interested in adopting American culture were the people they were most worried about.

“Meanwhile, however, the government had begun to investigate Japanese Americans more closely and concluded that some were loyal Americans. Individuals certified as loyal were allowed to leave the camps, usually to take jobs in the Midwest or the East. Others were allowed to work as temporary migrant labourers in the West, and still others enlisted in the U.S. Army. On the same day as the Korematsu decision, in its ruling on Ex parte Endo, the Supreme Court skirted the constitutionality of internment as a policy but determined that the government could not detain a U.S. citizen whose loyalty was recognized by the U.S. government.”

 

https://www.britannica.com/place/Minidoka-Internment-National-Monument

 

[sactowndog]

On 5/14/2023 at 10:28 AM, Nevada Convert said:

Don’t lecture me about the history you don’t know enough of. 

• There were about 150,000 Japanese in Hawaii, and only about 7,500 of those were interred.
• 1/3 of the Japanese in the west were non-US Citizens. They tended to stay loyal to Japan and kept their native culture. They were known as Issei.
• 2/3 were 2nd generation Japanese, born in the US getting Citizenship. They considered themselves loyal Americans accepting the culture. They were known as Nisei.
• Then there was a smaller group of US loyal 3rd gen Japanese.
• Nisei kids ready to go to college were allowed to leave and go off to college. 4,000
• Nisei were allowed to work, and as noted below, Nisei that were verified as loyal Americans were allowed to leave all together. 
• The Issei were the non-citizens that weren’t interested in adopting American culture were the people they were most worried about.

“Meanwhile, however, the government had begun to investigate Japanese Americans more closely and concluded that some were loyal Americans. Individuals certified as loyal were allowed to leave the camps, usually to take jobs in the Midwest or the East. Others were allowed to work as temporary migrant labourers in the West, and still others enlisted in the U.S. Army. On the same day as the Korematsu decision, in its ruling on Ex parte Endo, the Supreme Court skirted the constitutionality of internment as a policy but determined that the government could not detain a U.S. citizen whose loyalty was recognized by the U.S. government.”

 

https://www.britannica.com/place/Minidoka-Internment-National-Monument

 

What happened in Hawaii where Japanese citizens were a much higher percentage of the population was much different than Japanese on the west coast where they were a minority.  
 

people were sent to live in race track horse stables.  I just went to a full lecture on this topic.  Quit excusing some of the worst shit in our history.  It’s beneath you and disgusting.  

[RSF]

On 5/13/2023 at 1:31 AM, Nevada Convert said:

I’ll beat him to it. Dude, don’t be stupid. It’s not so much just an issue of how much they buy, but what influence they can gain in owning it. They’ve been buying up American farms to gain influence on the economy. They’ve been buying land very near military bases to use to spy on us. 

The land I was referring to east of Reno wasn’t too far from the Fallon Naval Air Base. 
 

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/19/china-buying-us-farms-foreign-purchase-499893

the amount of farm land the chinese own would fit into one corner of the King Ranch.  Yawn.

[Nevada Convert]

On 5/14/2023 at 2:16 PM, sactowndog said:

What happened in Hawaii where Japanese citizens were a much higher percentage of the population was much different than Japanese on the west coast where they were a minority.  
 

people were sent to live in race track horse stables.  I just went to a full lecture on this topic.  Quit excusing some of the worst shit in our history.  It’s beneath you and disgusting.  

Dude, it was obviously the wrong thing to do. I’m just saying the fear and hysteria were understandable in context. As I highlighted, even at the time they partially realized their over-reaction fairly quickly, and made adjustments by letting a lot of them go.

It cracks me up how some of you hate something like a Trump, in this case the Japanese internment, and you have this narrative in your head that filters out any information that doesn’t jive with that narrative. You want it to be even worse than it actually is or was. I’m just pointing out the factual info. that you filter out on this subject. If you were filtering out all the bad, then I’d be highlighting all the bad. 

[sactowndog]

On 5/14/2023 at 7:20 PM, Nevada Convert said:

Dude, it was obviously the wrong thing to do. I’m just saying the fear and hysteria were understandable in context. As I highlighted, even at the time they partially realized their over-reaction fairly quickly, and made adjustments by letting a lot of them go.

It cracks me up how some of you hate something like a Trump, in this case the Japanese internment, and you have this narrative in your head that filters out any information that doesn’t jive with that narrative. You want it to be even worse than it actually is or was. I’m just pointing out the factual info. that you filter out on this subject. If you were filtering out all the bad, then I’d be highlighting all the bad. 

They didn’t let people go in CA.   Hawaii was a completely different situation because they were damn near a majority.  You are conflating what happened in Hawaii and on the west coast.  It was very different.  

I have talked directly with many people who went through it.  My grandparents lived in CA when it happened.  I am well aware of the fears at the time as my Grandmother expressed them directly to me.  She also told me she didn’t want me to date a JAP.  I told her I would just to prove a point (my grandmother and I were very close).   Where I live now has a huge Japanese population and none of them were released until after the war.  Unless they went and fought like the 442.  

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/442nd-regimental-combat-team

Those that didn’t want to fight because they thought it was unfair they fought while their family was imprisoned were convicted of crimes.  As were those who were citizens and didn’t comply with orders.  
 

perhaps you should watch this video….

 

 

[FresnoFacts]

Proclamation 2525 resulted in the arrest of Japanese.

But FDR a day later signed 2526 and 2527 which treated Italians and Germans the same as the Japanese. Many Italians and Germans were arrested and interrogated by the FBI based on files Hoover had prepared before war started.

Joe DiMaggio’s mother was one Italian immigrant arrested in San Francisco but Joe was able to arrange her release.

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/proclamation-2527-internment-italian-americans

 

 

[Nevada Convert]

On 5/14/2023 at 7:59 PM, sactowndog said:

They didn’t let people go in CA.   Hawaii was a completely different situation because they were damn near a majority.  You are conflating what happened in Hawaii and on the west coast.  It was very different.  

I have talked directly with many people who went through it.  My grandparents lived in CA when it happened.  I am well aware of the fears at the time as my Grandmother expressed them directly to me.  She also told me she didn’t want me to date a JAP.  I told her I would just to prove a point (my grandmother and I were very close).   Where I live now has a huge Japanese population and none of them were released until after the war.  Unless they went and fought like the 442.  

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/442nd-regimental-combat-team

Those that didn’t want to fight because they thought it was unfair they fought while their family was imprisoned were convicted of crimes.  As were those who were citizens and didn’t comply with orders.  
 

perhaps you should watch this video….

 

 

Dude, you don’t know what you’re talking about. I grew up near Manzanar and know all about it because of that. They were allowed to publish their own newspaper without any interference from camp management. 
 

From the US Park Service Manzanar Historical Site. Great museum:

“Internees attempted to make the best of a bad situation. The WRA formed an advisory council of internee-elected block managers. Internees established churches, temples, and boys and girls clubs. They developed sports, music, dance, and other recreational programs; built gardens and ponds; and published a newspaper, the Manzanar Free Press.

Most internees worked in the camp. They dug irrigation canals and ditches, tended acres of fruits and vegetables, and raised chickens, hogs, and cattle. They made clothes and furniture for themselves and camouflage netting and experimental rubber for the military. They served as mess hall workers, doctors, nurses, police officers, firefighters, and teachers.

Professionals were paid $19 per month, skilled workers received $16, and nonskilled workers got $12. Many pooled their resources and created a consumer cooperative that published the Manzanar Free Press and operated a general store, beauty parlor, barbershop, and bank. As the war turned in America’s favor, restrictions were lifted, and Japanese Americans were allowed to leave the camps. Church groups, service organizations, and some camp administrators helped find sponsors and jobs in the Midwest and the East. From all 10 camps, 4,300 people received permission to attend college, and about 10,000 were allowed to leave temporarily to harvest sugar beets in Idaho, Montana, Utah, and Wyoming.

A total of 11,070 Japanese Americans were processed through Manzanar. From a peak of 10,046 in September 1942, the population dwindled to 6,000 by 1944. The last few hundred internees left in November 1945, three months after the war ended. Many of them had spent three-and-a-half years at Manzanar.”

[grandjean87]

The Manzanar Press won a Pulitzer, iirc, on its publishing of "Uncle Sam as a Loyal Master." 

[Spaztecs]

On 5/14/2023 at 2:27 AM, Nevada Convert said:

I’m completely aware of how the Chinese were treated in the 1800’s out west all the way to the Japanese in WWII. There’s a myth that all the Japanese were forced to stay in camps against their will. Actually, in some camps they could come and go if they wanted, but they had nowhere to go since their assets were seized. The main crime wasn’t the internment, it was the government theft of their assets. They were not returned after the war.

The internment was an unfortunate over-reaction, but I think it was totally understandable in the context of what the free world was up against at that time. They couldn’t afford to be wrong. They were catching plenty of Japanese citizens on the west coast and Hawaii working for Japan. They were treated very well in the camps. The crime was not getting their property back. 

Japanese in Hawaii were not interned. They continued in their jobs as they were an integral part of the manual labor force in Hawaii.

 

[Spaztecs]

On 5/13/2023 at 8:18 AM, Spaztecs said:

Hell, while we're at it, let's included Muslims, Jews, Mexicans, LGBTQ, and Libs.

 

This band of Conservatives are intent on doing Conservatism one step better. It's only matter of time before this movement, like all other extremist movements, starts purifying the ranks.

Mark my words.

[sactowndog]

On 5/14/2023 at 10:06 PM, Nevada Convert said:

Dude, you don’t know what you’re talking about. I grew up near Manzanar and know all about it because of that. They were allowed to publish their own newspaper without any interference from camp management. 
 

From the US Park Service Manzanar Historical Site. Great museum:

“Internees attempted to make the best of a bad situation. The WRA formed an advisory council of internee-elected block managers. Internees established churches, temples, and boys and girls clubs. They developed sports, music, dance, and other recreational programs; built gardens and ponds; and published a newspaper, the Manzanar Free Press.

Most internees worked in the camp. They dug irrigation canals and ditches, tended acres of fruits and vegetables, and raised chickens, hogs, and cattle. They made clothes and furniture for themselves and camouflage netting and experimental rubber for the military. They served as mess hall workers, doctors, nurses, police officers, firefighters, and teachers.

Professionals were paid $19 per month, skilled workers received $16, and nonskilled workers got $12. Many pooled their resources and created a consumer cooperative that published the Manzanar Free Press and operated a general store, beauty parlor, barbershop, and bank. As the war turned in America’s favor, restrictions were lifted, and Japanese Americans were allowed to leave the camps. Church groups, service organizations, and some camp administrators helped find sponsors and jobs in the Midwest and the East. From all 10 camps, 4,300 people received permission to attend college, and about 10,000 were allowed to leave temporarily to harvest sugar beets in Idaho, Montana, Utah, and Wyoming.

A total of 11,070 Japanese Americans were processed through Manzanar. From a peak of 10,046 in September 1942, the population dwindled to 6,000 by 1944. The last few hundred internees left in November 1945, three months after the war ended. Many of them had spent three-and-a-half years at Manzanar.”

Did you watch the link I posted? 

[Nevada Convert]

On 5/15/2023 at 5:57 AM, Spaztecs said:

Japanese in Hawaii were not interned. They continued in their jobs as they were an integral part of the manual labor force in Hawaii.

 

Why don’t you read the thread, and then go read up on history before make false statements. Most weren’t, but some were.