Big Ten has already invited Oregon and Washington

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 5/11/2023 at 3:18 PM, Gonzagafan2021 said:

Well I guess that means Washington State and Oregon State are coming to the MWC

 

 

"Well I guess that means..." @Gonzagafan2021 is so full o' shit.

Tells more about your boy Q & who killed JFK.

 

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 5/12/2023 at 8:48 AM, modestobulldog said:

What’s wrong with big oil? Life would suck donkey balls without it.  Better than big tech who spies on me 24/7, even know when I take a crap.

 

Neither super powerful BIG Oil or Tech are good for society as a whole.  ¿Why are you trying to elevate one over the other?  Neither act in the best interest of our nation or world as a whole.  

¿Why do you want to pick your favorite Corp Villain? 

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 5/13/2023 at 6:54 AM, Gonzagafan2021 said:

What about the ACC? If Florida State and Clemson leave does the ACC collapse or do they just poach some schools to the AAC?

 

¿What if this thread is built on total BS + smoke & mirrors?

 

[modestobulldog]

On 5/14/2023 at 2:11 PM, ---I GREEN INFECTION I--- said:

 

Neither super powerful BIG Oil or Tech are good for society as a whole.  ¿Why are you trying to elevate one over the other?  Neither act in the best interest of our nation or world as a whole.  

¿Why do you want to pick your favorite Corp Villain? 

 

Bullshit.  One is bigger, more powerful, more intrusive, and more nefarious than the other.

Reply to “big oil” comment.

[Broncos4Ever]

On 5/13/2023 at 10:06 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Well the p6 thing worked in getting one of their teams to the playoff and then worked in getting that 6th conference added to the new playoffs. So it’s easy to make fun of them from your lower perch on the tree but Aresco/aac did the heavy lifting for the G5 on that one, if it were up to the PAC/big12/etc there wouldn’t be an A6, just A5.  Probably best to let that one go ;)

That said he did just release a somewhat cringey statement saying they’re dropping P6 due to it advancing perceived inequities in cfb.  So once again he’s fighting the good fight for your conference and others..the MWC is the last conference that should make fun of Aresco but there’s always going to be those types out there.

This is so wrong on every level.  Take the term P6 - by definition this is exclusionary.  How is trying to separate yourself from the other have nots “fighting the good fight”?  Aresco never tried to solve perceived inequities - all he did was try to convince everyone the AAC should be part of the P5.  He even referred to the other conferences as “G4”.  Please explain how he and his P6 campaign helped the MWC, MAC, Sun Belt or CUSA?

As much hate as Craig Thompson got on this board he was the most instrumental in getting the G5 a seat at the new playoff table.

[Coog kev]

On 5/13/2023 at 3:02 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Sure you did.  You are stuck with absolute trash like UCF and Houston forever.   Sign a deal without that trash.  

Butthurt much re going nowhere?  Fortunately You and I get to settle all of this on gridiron very, very soon.  We trot on over to Boise next year; ya'll return the Solid in Hou the following year.  First time ever We hit up the gridiron (or any sport for that matter).  IF it sells some suds and popcorn and TV ratings re our matchup..., we do it again down slate in future times.  Why wouldn't we? IF it sells, it sells.  If it doesn't, it doesn't.  

Meanwhile in our OOC we're slated up with 4 PAC teams OOC homey/homey assuming PAC sticks together and adds Aztecs and Ponies.  Colorado, Utah previously booked.  Washington deal announced.  SMU deal in process.  

Scribing of UCF and Houston.   There is this gem.

Come 2024 post Texas & Oklahoma to SEC, I can see these rivalries concluding the regular season final football game:

• TCU/Baylor
   
• West Virginia/Cincy
   
• Texas Tech/Oklahoma State
   
• Kansas/Kansas State
   
• Houston/UCF (for the space city cup)
   
• BYU/Iowa State (by default)

p.s.  OOC homey/homey with UNLV too.  

 

Regarding the OT.  B1G did not invite Washington & Oregon; they merely vetted them.  Neither of B1G or ESPN wants to be blamed for the destruction of PAC.  PAC will find a decent media deal one way or another.  However, if it takes San Diego State & SMU to make that all Go, there is a bit of a June 30 deadline for those two squads to announce their departure from their conferences to join up the new PAC media rights deal which occurs July 1, 2024.  PAC will stay intact, count on it. 

[Wyovanian]

On 5/14/2023 at 3:01 PM, ---I GREEN INFECTION I--- said:

 

 

"Well I guess that means..." @Gonzagafan2021 is so full o' shit.

Tells more about your boy Q & who killed JFK.

 

 

Off topic, but is your written speech impediment a result of your infection?

[Coog kev]

Focusing on more B12 matters regarding the PAC and our congeniality matters.  TY BYU for bringing the Independence Bowl into the B12 post season camp.  That will make two matchups with PAC next year.  The Alamo Bowl, always, and the Shreveport Bowl.  

Big12 Home Page

 

[utgrizfan]

On 5/14/2023 at 2:14 PM, madeinhawaii said:

PAC should invite a couple of teams ASAP to give those teams a year or two of upgraded recruiting opportunities to improve their sports rankings.  Should Oregon and Washington leave after that, the PAC will still have a chance of surviving. 

If they did this they'd probably have to go with 4 teams (again highly improbable) which would be difficult as with the media deal issues already occurring it would just make it worse. Granted if they toned down their academic snobbery it would make it easier:

SDSU, SMU, Fresno State, UTSA

Only picked these because it has the 2 teams that have been mentioned (SMU and SDSU) and adds 2 more that I feel would add value. Fresno State helps replace as much of the California market as possible with SDSU and UTSA would be more successful in the San Antonio market then SMU would in Dallas. 

Won't happen due to them refusing to lower academic standards but only like the idea for purely selfish reasons. 

[Coog kev]

^^^ I like Fresno and UTSA to PAC if it takes 14 to get a good media deal.  However, the PAC is the PAC and from what I have read via PAC mouthpiece Wilner outta San Jose Mercury News...if it has to be 14...it is the Tulane and Rice.  San Diego State and SMU are super solid for a jump to 12.  No reason at all to go to 14.  Just keep it all together and get a decent media rights deal for no longer than 6 or 7 years, including the obligatory GOR lock up.  

[Gonzagafan2021]

On 5/14/2023 at 8:29 PM, Coog kev said:

^^^ I like Fresno and UTSA to PAC if it takes 14 to get a good media deal.  However, the PAC is the PAC and from what I have read via PAC mouthpiece Wilner outta San Jose Mercury News...if it has to be 14...it is the Tulane and Rice.  San Diego State and SMU are super solid for a jump to 12.  No reason at all to go to 14.  Just keep it all together and get a decent media rights deal for no longer than 6 or 7 years, including the obligatory GOR lock up.  

When you guys were rumored to go the PAC 12. Were you open to it?

[4UNLV]

On 5/13/2023 at 12:20 AM, utgrizfan said:

IF this is true (a big IF) I'm expecting this to be the body blow for the PAC12 that takes it down. Would probably have the following occur:

-4 Corners go to the Big12 making it the Big16 (as they're open to rebranding the name)

-Cal and Stanford go Independent 

-OSU and WSU merge with the MWC creating a 14 team league.

No.

On 5/13/2023 at 7:39 AM, Spaztecs said:

Sorry, MW squads will join what's left of the Pac.

It's a far more valuable brand and will be in possession of all those exit fees and Tourney Credits to help lure in potential candidates. 

 

Definitely this. If one or the other survives it will be the PAC whatever, MW schools will join.

Besides, if the PAC schools were to go to the MW, they might not like Boise's sweetheart deal, . It's not happening. However, I could see them opting for a better deal than any MW schools that they bring in, kind of like Utah had for the first few years.

[Coog kev]

On 5/14/2023 at 7:46 PM, Gonzagafan2021 said:

When you guys were rumored to go the PAC 12. Were you open to it?

Yes.  Prior to the XII invite, there was scuttlebutt re UH to the PAC and quasi-quantified by op-ed Wilner swan song.  There were probably exploratory matters mutual with our legacy hoops friend UCLA as likely sponsor to PAC invite.  However, at that time it would made no sense at all unless we had a Go To geo buddy.  And that means Rice.  Rice is wonderful academically, but a little bit problematic re sports money at that time.  

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 5/14/2023 at 5:40 PM, Broncos4Ever said:

This is so wrong on every level.  Take the term P6 - by definition this is exclusionary.  How is trying to separate yourself from the other have nots “fighting the good fight”?  Aresco never tried to solve perceived inequities - all he did was try to convince everyone the AAC should be part of the P5.  He even referred to the other conferences as “G4”.  Please explain how he and his P6 campaign helped the MWC, MAC, Sun Belt or CUSA?

As much hate as Craig Thompson got on this board he was the most instrumental in getting the G5 a seat at the new playoff table.

I’m not sure you read the post very well.

He brought up p6 originally because of the prevailing p5 inequities; he wanted to break that down and the conference did successfully from a performance standpoint, opening up the playoff to the entire g5 and ensuring new playoffs included at least one non p5 conference school.  If you don’t see how that helped break down inequities of the time then there isn’t much help for you.  

New climates (post g5 playoff + playoff expansion) bring new inequities; he then dropped p6 label due to the inequities I already mentioned that you brought up as if I didn’t mention it explicitly in the post.  Playoffs are already a success, he has inclusion (most likely), now he wants to remove all labels associated with conference groupings.  Again this benefits all g5 (and really all non p2 conferences).

Craig Thompson provided venues and coffee during playoff negotiations, those are his kind of contributions.  He is not well respected when it comes to talking turkey and is likely going to be canned within two years.  He’s not the worst commish out there (GK) but it’s foolish to try to compare him to Gill, Aresco, or Benson.  

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 5/15/2023 at 12:46 AM, Coog kev said:

Yes.  Prior to the XII invite, there was scuttlebutt re UH to the PAC and quasi-quantified by op-ed Wilner swan song.  There were probably exploratory matters mutual with our legacy hoops friend UCLA as likely sponsor to PAC invite.  However, at that time it would made no sense at all unless we had a Go To geo buddy.  And that means Rice.  Rice is wonderful academically, but a little bit problematic re sports money at that time.  

We were actually the problem for that one, that was also mentioned in the same Wilner piece….believe it also referenced the famed Navigate studies that tends to be ignored here.  Anyway, we had what they wanted and were looking for but couldn’t wrap head around the insane geography so they shelved the whole thing.  

[Coog kev]

On 5/15/2023 at 12:17 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

We were actually the problem for that one, that was also mentioned in the same Wilner piece….believe it also referenced the famed Navigate studies that like to be ignored here.  Anyway, we had what they wanted and were looking for but couldn’t wrap head around the insane geography so they shelved the whole thing.  

UCF was never explored for PAC expansion.  None.  Zero.  Nada.  Zip.  Nonetheless, welcome to XII, space buddy.  

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 5/15/2023 at 1:26 AM, Coog kev said:

UCF was never explored for PAC expansion.  None.  Zero.  Nada.  Zip.  Nonetheless, welcome to XII, space buddy.  

The exact same as Houston, agree it was zero, because of our geography.  It’s literally in the same article you’re mentioning.  I’ve posted it probably 10 times and nobody ever reads it.

Edit: actually you were distant second in the metrics being referenced but due to less crappy geography you were considered first but without us you were a no go.  Chicken or the egg..

[Coog kev]

It will take me some time to drag up the Wilner story re UH best candidate to the PAC at that time.  Now I finally understand why folks do not like UCF types much at all.  Honesty, during our American Conference times, no one on the local front gave a rat's ass about UCF. It was just another ball game, boring to the tilt.  Unfortunately, we are stuck together.  For now, until the Big12 media rights deal is up for ReDo in 2030 or so. 

Methinks no one in Big12 really wants to go to hapless Disney.  Down the line very early next decade...UCF to imploding, recovery ACC post internal ACC demise, picking up scraps and pieces. 

Big12 should have selected Memphis instead.  Why that did not happen to keep it all geo tight side is a bit astounding.  

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 5/15/2023 at 2:02 AM, Coog kev said:

It will take me some time to drag up the Wilner story re UH best candidate to the PAC at that time.  Now I finally understand why folks do not like UCF types much at all.  Honesty, during our American Conference times, no one on the local front gave a rat's ass about UCF. It was just another ball game, boring to the tilt.  Unfortunately, we are stuck together.  For now, until the Big12 media rights deal is up for ReDo in 2030 or so. 

Methinks no one in Big12 really wants to go to hapless Disney.  Down the line very early next decade...UCF to imploding, recovery ACC post internal ACC demise, picking up scraps and pieces. 

Big12 should have selected Memphis instead.  Why that did not happen to keep it all geo tight side is a bit astounding.  

Let’s try to have a thoughtful discussion here, so you’re upset that I accurately noted that in the very article you brought up it mentions UCF’s geography being problematic for Houston and any other ‘eastern’ adds to the PAC? This has nothing to do with my affiliation, nor did i attack you in any way or cause an affront.  Dont go boise fan on me here...take the emotion out of it.  You were the last pickup in expansion, don’t go throwing stones in your glass house either man.  If you’re going to hate UCF, hate them for your poor performances against them on the field, not because you don’t like facts. And don’t act like your fan base being bored at UCF is our problem.  It sounded like a home game last time we played you in Houston.  We are excitement, you can’t fill your stadium or create a strong home field advantage.  Reel it in some.
 

edit: 

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/08/26/if-the-pac-12-were-to-expand-one-school-stands-as-the-clear-no-1-pick/

[EvilPoke]

On 5/14/2023 at 7:23 PM, 4UNLV said:

No.

Definitely this. If one or the other survives it will be the PAC whatever, MW schools will join.

Besides, if the PAC schools were to go to the MW, they might not like Boise's sweetheart deal, . It's not happening. However, I could see them opting for a better deal than any MW schools that they bring in, kind of like Utah had for the first few years.

Yeah, but if there's only 4 schools left, there's no conference. All the leaving schools would sue to get the conference annulled.