Texas Outlet Mall Mass Shooting

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On 5/7/2023 at 6:35 PM, sactowndog said:

I’m not advocating anything.  Just characterizing.   
 

when 80% wants a policy to occur and yet nothing happens you have by definition a tyranny.  

[UNLV2001]

On 5/7/2023 at 6:29 PM, sactowndog said:

I like that idea but at best 30 will do it.  The tyranny of the minority is based in 20 southern states. 

That's why I said in some states any legislation will die a quick death, but just bring up a few bills & make the NRA spend, even if it's a few hundred........because they can't throw $$ at every state -- Thats just at state legislative levels.........run gun control candidates in any race available so the NRA has to counter those races for House & Senate 

The NRA Has Lost Over a Million Members Since Corruption Allegations Surfaced

https://thereload.com/nra-has-lost-over-a-million-members-since-corruption-allegations-surfaced/

The National Rifle Association keeps shrinking.

Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre told attendees at the gun-rights group’s most recent board meeting that the organization is down to 4.3 million members, according to multiple sources. That number is corroborated by the group’s November 2022 Financial Statement Package obtained by The Reload. That represents a downturn of more than a million members since allegations of financial impropriety were leveled against LaPierre and other members of NRA leadership in 2019. The NRA is now smaller than it has been since 2012 when internal documents show the group had 4 million members.

The drop in membership has driven a stark decline in the NRA’s revenue over the same period. The presentation shows revenues were down nearly $24 million, or 11 percent, between 2021 and 2022, while expenses grew by more than $11.5 million, or 5.5 percent. A $37.4 million, or 32 percent, shortfall in membership dues was behind the revenue collapse. At the same time, a $16.4 million, or 47.4 percent, overrun in legal expenses led the group to finish in the red for the year.

The financial statement shows the NRA added 282,950 new members through the first eleven months of 2022, a shortfall of over 175,000 members from what the group had projected. That left the group with a $14 million hole in their budget. The story only gets worse when looking at membership renewals, where the NRA converted nearly 165,000 fewer than expected, leading to a $17.7 million deficit. Overall, the group brought in $32.4 million less than anticipated from member dues during that time.

[GoDogs22]

On 5/7/2023 at 5:46 PM, mysfit said:

Let's stop white washing the violence and show the graphic images. Here's the cost of unfettered access to weapons.

 

If they're going to shove images of dead fetuses in front of every woman going to get a mammogram at Planned Parenthood, what's stopping groups from showing pictures of victims of gun violence outside of gun shops and gun shows?

[grandjean87]

On 5/7/2023 at 7:26 PM, SharkTanked said:

So... play that out and let me know if it ends up resulting in more dead people than not. Last time lots and lots of people died.

Quit introducing rationalism into the emotionalism party here. Lol. 

[Akkula]

On 5/7/2023 at 7:35 PM, sactowndog said:

I’m not advocating anything.  Just characterizing.   
 

when 80% wants a policy to occur and yet nothing happens you have by definition a tyranny.  

That isn't really true...Democrats just had the senate.   We just had shitbags like Sinema filling their pockets.

Many of you in here thought I was a wild eyed nut for wanting to eliminate the filibuster only a few years ago.   I was right this whole time and the rank and file are starting to understand that and make it a voting issue for senate candidates. 

[UNLV2001]

On 5/7/2023 at 6:37 PM, SharkTanked said:

I just don't think you beat them at the money game. When people prize guns over children's lives, the money isn't gonna be an issue.

Hit them hard in public opinion. Flash up video of the dead bodies of kids, mangled beyond recognition. Play it during every televised sporting event. Buy up billboards all over the red stated.

NRA has taken a membership hit........Saw where the NRA had to get a $20M line of credit just to cover some costs -- Eventually the gun cult will get tapped out or close to it. 

There's no amount of counter messaging that will change the hardcore's minds..........you can see NRA talking points parroted in this thread - It's in the DNA of some at this point.

 

[Akkula]

On 5/7/2023 at 7:39 PM, GoDogs22 said:

 

If they're going to shove images of dead fetuses in front of every woman going to get a mammogram at Planned Parenthood, what's stopping groups from showing pictures of victims of gun violence outside of gun shops and gun shows?

Maybe they are afraid of getting shot?

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On 5/7/2023 at 6:42 PM, UNLV2001 said:

NRA has taken a membership hit........Saw where the NRA had to get a $20M line of credit just to cover some costs -- Eventually the gun cult will get tapped out or close to it. 

There's no amount of counter messaging that will change the hardcore's minds..........you can see NRA talking points parroted in this thread - It's in the DNA of some at this point.

 

Right even if the NRA dies, something will take its place, but public opinion can change sometimes quickly. I think we could be reaching an inflection point even in deep red states. 

All it takes is some leadership. Which is woefully lacking from the Dems.

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On 5/7/2023 at 6:41 PM, grandjean87 said:

Quit introducing rationalism into the emotionalism party here. Lol. 

I am hoping for some rationalized emotionalism. We should be emotional. We should be furious. We should be enraged. We should also focus that into tangible, realistic action that can have real and lasting impact. It is possible. I haven't given up on our institutions yet.

If the left were half as organized around anti-gun as they are around anti-abortion, there might be some movement. 

But maybe dead kids are good for both sides? Haven't figured that one out yet.

I remember when I could go anywhere without having to scan the area for firearms and twitchy people. And Nevada has always been an open carry state. Now my kid will never feel the safety I did, and yeah that pisses me off.

[GoDogs22]

On 5/7/2023 at 6:43 PM, Akkula said:

Maybe they are afraid of getting shot?

 

Logical fear, especially given the number of angry tinydicks that think they need guns to get through the day. As evidenced by all of those who carry whenever they leave the house just in case ISIS comes to Kroger. They're just living out their fantasy of REALLY wanting to shoot another human without consequences

[GoDogs22]

On 5/7/2023 at 6:52 PM, SharkTanked said:

Now my kid will never feel the safety I did, and yeah that pisses me off.

 

School districts ban backpacks and books, but states won't ban guns. Life in the freest country on Earth 

[SJSUMFA2013]

On 5/7/2023 at 6:39 PM, GoDogs22 said:

 

If they're going to shove images of dead fetuses in front of every woman going to get a mammogram at Planned Parenthood, what's stopping groups from showing pictures of victims of gun violence outside of gun shops and gun shows?

Generally speaking desperate young women with a lot to lose are easier to intimidate than men who clearly don’t value their own lives nor anyone else’s.  

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On 5/7/2023 at 6:57 PM, GoDogs22 said:

 

School districts ban backpacks and books, but states won't ban guns. Life in the freest country on Earth 

I don't blame the school districts banning backpacks. They are trying to make the best of a shitty situation. 

And we don't need to ban guns. We need to ask ourselves what we really need as a society for safety and then force the manufacturers to comply. 

Banning is culturally impossible and moves the conversation away from meaningful reform. It is the idiotic discussion. 

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On 5/7/2023 at 7:01 PM, SJSUMFA2013 said:

Generally speaking desperate young women with a lot to lose are easier to intimidate than men who clearly don’t value their own lives nor anyone else’s.  

I think women are far less easy to intimidate. That's why men are the majority gun owners and not women.

[SJSUMFA2013]

On 5/7/2023 at 7:01 PM, SharkTanked said:

I don't blame the school districts banning backpacks. They are trying to make the best of a shitty situation. 

And we don't need to ban guns. We need to ask ourselves what we really need as a society for safety and then force the manufacturers to comply. 

Banning is culturally impossible and moves the conversation away from meaningful reform. It is the idiotic discussion. 

Look if you buy a rifle for hunting and a pistol for self defense then you don’t really ever need another gun again. That’s not a financially sustainable model for gun companies. They’d go out of business. Mass shootings are really just a guerrilla marketing campaign that is so successful that it will never stop. 

[grandjean87]

On 5/7/2023 at 7:52 PM, SharkTanked said:

I am hoping for some rationalized emotionalism. We should be emotional. We should be furious. We should be enraged. We should also focus that into tangible, realistic action that can have real and lasting impact. It is possible. I haven't given up on our institutions yet.

If the left were half as organized around anti-gun as they are around anti-abortion, there might be some movement. 

But maybe dead kids are good for both sides? Haven't figured that one out yet.

I remember when I could go anywhere without having to scan the area for firearms and twitchy people. And Nevada has always been an open carry state. Now my kid will never feel the safety I did, and yeah that pisses me off.

Let's not confuse having emotions with emotionalism.  The over emotional responses here whether hinting at civil war/revolution or just labeling the whole country (well, males) in ridiculous caricatures don't solve anything.  They don't even get to the realities of this very serious matter.  

I don't worry any at all where ever I go on foot.  I worry more in my vehicle especially on head-on roads.  But, I don't discount those feelings.  It should not be this way. 

[Akkula]

On 5/7/2023 at 7:56 PM, GoDogs22 said:

 

Logical fear, especially given the number of angry tinydicks that think they need guns to get through the day. As evidenced by all of those who carry whenever they leave the house just in case ISIS comes to Kroger. They're just living out their fantasy of REALLY wanting to shoot another human without consequences

The implied threat from carriers of firearms is that if they don't like what you say,  who you are, whatever... they will +++++ing murder you.   You don't get a vote and you won't be so smart when you face is caved in by a bullet.  They get to have the ultimate murder/suicide Trump card so don't mouth off and make them do it. 

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On 5/7/2023 at 7:04 PM, grandjean87 said:

Let's not confuse having emotions with emotionalism.  The over emotional responses here whether hinting at civil war/revolution or just labeling the whole country (well, males) in ridiculous caricatures don't solve anything.  They don't even get to the realities of this very serious matter.  

I don't worry any at all where ever I go on foot.  I worry more in my vehicle especially on head-on roads.  But, I don't discount those feelings.  It should not be this way. 

I do worry post Covid. Though Oct 1 has a lot to do with that probably. Vegas suburbs are not a crime cesspool and we do not have the near Civil War that is happening in Texas and elsewhere. Less extremism here. Still it is a reality in a world where guns are prolific, there are few controls on ownership, we are open carry, and we have more than our fair share of mental and emotional problems here.

But I get the emotional vs emotionalism distinction. All you can do is try to steer the convo in a productive way. Some will never get there. Such is life.

[Akkula]

On 5/7/2023 at 8:04 PM, SJSUMFA2013 said:

Look if you buy a rifle for hunting and a pistol for self defense then you don’t really ever need another gun again. That’s not a financially sustainable model for gun companies. They’d go out of business. Mass shootings are really just a guerrilla marketing campaign that is so successful that it will never stop. 

Pistols should really be banned unless they are revolvers.   Shotguns are seemingly better for home defense.   Nobody needs to carry a gun around all the time concealed without VERY specialized needs and permissions. 

[SJSUMFA2013]

On 5/7/2023 at 7:10 PM, Akkula said:

Pistols should really be banned unless they are revolvers.   Shotguns are seemingly better for home defense.   Nobody needs to carry a gun around all the time concealed without VERY specialized needs and permissions. 

Dude you’re going to make firearms executives have to update their resumes and, like, go to interviews and shit. How heartless are you?