Texas Outlet Mall Mass Shooting

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 5/9/2023 at 11:27 AM, SharkTanked said:

Murder, sure, absolutely. Suicides were already on a sharp trend up. According to that graph, since 08.

I have just noticed a tread to blame everything that is wrong with the world today on the pandemic. I am not trying to dismiss the impact of the pandemic, I am just saying it isn't responsible for some things that were already a growing concern.

So many people losing loved ones, the anxiety and fear.  It's not all policy related, all though some of it surely is, the impacts of the pandemic.  The emotional stress on me and my family was fear of the virus as my loved ones are high risk, and not being able to get adequate medical care.  I don't think it is a coincidence that the gun homicide rates soared when the pandemic started getting out of control.  The experts seem to agree.  The past it the past though and addressing the now means legislation.  Sigh.  

[SharkTanked]

On 5/9/2023 at 10:38 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

So many people losing loved ones, the anxiety and fear.  It's not all policy related, all though some of it surely is, the impacts of the pandemic.  The emotional stress on me and my family was fear of the virus as my loved ones are high risk, and not being able to get adequate medical care.  I don't think it is a coincidence that the gun homicide rates soared when the pandemic started getting out of control.  The experts seem to agree.  The past it the past though and addressing the now means legislation.  Sigh.  

Oh I agree it had an impact. A large one. I just don't want to lose sight of other factors that lead to issues being a growing concern prior to the pandemic. Suicides is a good example. 

[406bleedsblue]

On 5/9/2023 at 11:13 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

It's a sick cycle.  The more people get shot, the more paranoid people get.  The impacts of the pandemic will take decades of study to understand better.  

We may see an "assault weapons" ban passed eventually.  That's fine with me, I don't support it but would not be offended or upset, really.  We won't ever see a ban on all semiautomatic weapons.  Talking about it is akin to me talking about moving to a nuclear power based grid.  Sounds great, just never going to happen.  So, may as well change the discourse to things that might make real impact.

I somewhat agree with you but this tweet sums up my concerns on conceding anything to the gun grabbers.

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 5/9/2023 at 8:12 AM, Akkula said:

Ironically the right wing solution is to make everyone else go to school in prisons instead of making paranoid white men give up their guns.  If you are so paranoid, why not live in a prison?  You keep trying to make it sound like the only option is giving you a lot of guns.  But you could build yourself a cinder block house with bars and a fortified entrance, just like the ones you are suggesting for the kids at schools, no?

You seem confused as to who the paranoid one is.

[Billings]

On 5/9/2023 at 9:30 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Good article posted earlier where some experts weighed in.  The pandemic played no small role.  The current culture of fear.  Surging opioid use mirroring the crack epidemic.   That poor girl gets shot in the head regardless if that man had a revolver.  

most people can't shoot a pistol worth a crap.  he misses and she runs off

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 5/9/2023 at 12:49 PM, Billings said:

most people can't shoot a pistol worth a crap.  he misses and she runs off

Wasn't he using a pistol?  

[Slapdad]

On 5/8/2023 at 5:34 PM, renoskier said:

lol...just 4?

shit, I've got twice that many in my garage but only use 1...just never know quite what to do with the old ones

Every time I turn around and buy the "new style" of skis, they're out of style in two years. The shapes change so drastically from year to year that there's no way to expect to hide the graphics of your skis under a layer of snow now. Avoiding being called a Jerry or a Gapper is becoming increasingly difficult!  

[East Coast Aztec]

On 5/9/2023 at 10:45 AM, 406bleedsblue said:

I somewhat agree with you but this tweet sums up my concerns on conceding anything to the gun grabbers.

The fear completely eliminating even the policies most folks agree are reasonable is not a new phenomenon, and in fact is the very "not speaking in good faith", just like "the opposition" (you know, fellow Americans) .  What is most upsetting is the continued silence on attempting to address the "why" on these happening.  You would expect a bunch of folks who are so frightened of prohibition would work to address things like mental health, drugs, poverty, community strengthening, to lessen the scenarios that breed these crimes that push blame on their guns.  Nope, can't be bothered.  Too busy sending T's and P's and shielding the gun with their proverbial bodies than actually trying to address anything to curb the person feeling like they need to kill a bunch of people.  

The whole attempt to say "bad faith" is quite humorous.  

[MetropolitanCowboy]

On 5/9/2023 at 1:13 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

It's a sick cycle.  The more people get shot, the more paranoid people get.  The impacts of the pandemic will take decades of study to understand better.  

We may see an "assault weapons" ban passed eventually.  That's fine with me, I don't support it but would not be offended or upset, really.  We won't ever see a ban on all semiautomatic weapons.  Talking about it is akin to me talking about moving to a nuclear power based grid.  Sounds great, just never going to happen.  So, may as well change the discourse to things that might make real impact.

Won’t happen after the Bruen decision, unless there’s some precedent for it back in 1783. 

[Bob]

On 5/9/2023 at 8:44 AM, Spaztecs said:

Leave it to Bob to post data on why he is racist 

Didn't know raw data are racist. You clown

[Slapdad]

On 5/8/2023 at 7:57 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

A not insignificant percentage.  The number is not listed on any of he crime statistics.  It's considered the same crime whether home or not.  And again, if someone comes home and finds their home was broken into and they did not own a gun, do you think it would be likely they would purchase one?   I do.  

How about this.  4.5 million people have their home invaded each year.  

 

On 5/8/2023 at 7:33 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

All 1.65M were "invaded" when someone was home?

Edit: I now see that NVGiant answered that. So I'll tweak the question and ask this: What percentage of that 1.65M were home invasions when the owner or tenant was home? Half? One-third?

I'm still wading through this thread, so maybe this has been answered past this page, but if not, this insurance site states that 72% of home invasion burglaries occur when nobody is home. I've been to several home invasion calls that occurred when someone was home and the firepower used always surprises me. In fact, I'm pretty surprised at the firepower out there on the streets used in just about any crime (extended magazines, semi-automatic, etc). 

I have said this in previous posts, but I'll repeat it here. I own guns, but they belonged to my dad and most are bolt-action or shotguns that hold 2 to 5 shells as well as a few handguns with up to 7 or 8 to a magazine. If they banned guns, it wouldn't really affect me at all as far as my daily life goes, so part of me says we should do so. But I don't think it's a realistic expectation that banning guns would take the guns off of the street, so I'm hesitant advocate going that route, but something needs to be done. A Texas bill to raise the age to 21 made it out of committee and I think that's a good start. I agree that there really should be no need for automatic or even in most cases, semi-automatic weapons, but I guess that's easy to say until someone finds themselves in a situation where they would need it. 

The takes on this thread are all over the place. 

[RSF]

On 5/9/2023 at 3:35 PM, Bob said:

Didn't know raw data are racist. You clown

that's not raw data, Mr Wizard.

[AztecSU]

On 5/9/2023 at 1:35 PM, Bob said:

Didn't know raw data are racist. You clown

Its not, you are

[Bob]

On 5/9/2023 at 2:47 PM, RSF said:

that's not raw data, Mr Wizard.

The raw data show that minorities commit way more murders than white people. Don't know what to tell you. But pointing that is is somehow racist according to you. A program to help minorities not commit so many murders would also be racist, I'm guessing. 

[AztecSU]

On 5/9/2023 at 2:04 PM, Bob said:

The raw data show that minorities commit way more murders than white people. Don't know what to tell you. But pointing that is is somehow racist according to you. A program to help minorities not commit so many murders would also be racist, I'm guessing. 

No, it didn't, and in fact, I pointed out inconsistencies with your claims based on your own charts and graphs which I've noticed you ignore instead of replying and acknowledging your racist bullshit. 

[East Coast Aztec]

On 5/9/2023 at 2:04 PM, Bob said:

The raw data show that minorities commit way more murders than white people. Don't know what to tell you. But pointing that is is somehow racist according to you. A program to help minorities not commit so many murders would also be racist, I'm guessing. 

Investing in community programs for youth and families, job connection, beat cops and well-funded witness protection programs in the high crime areas (which is what I am giving you the benefit of the doubt on what you mean when you say "minorities"), while ending the drug wars, maintaining the reduction in stop and frisk and jump out teams, and alienation in the political process wouldn't be racist.  Wouldn't be supported, I'm guessing.

 

 

[RSF]

On 5/9/2023 at 4:04 PM, Bob said:

The raw data show that minorities commit way more murders than white people. Don't know what to tell you. But pointing that is is somehow racist according to you. A program to help minorities not commit so many murders would also be racist, I'm guessing. 

All I said is that isn't raw data.  But your defensive response is...revealing.

 

But the 2 charts you posted show nothing of the sort. You can't put 2 unrelated charts side by side and prove anything.  Except in your mind.  Also revealing.

[818SUDSFan]

On 5/8/2023 at 6:32 PM, soupslam1 said:

When I was about 12 my dad and I came home late one night to find a bunch of sacks of our belongings loaded in bags in our kitchen. We’re both wondering WTF. So my dad goes into his bedroom and I hear him talking to someone. I go see what’s up and this dude is hiding on one side of the bed. 

Fortunately he didn’t have a gun or we might have been dead. My dad was a pretty big guy and the dude was on the small side. So my dad grabs him and hauls him next door to our neighbor who calls the police. 

My dad goes to court to testify and the dude had been let out of prison two weeks prior for burglary. They sent him back for seven more years. 

Our house has been burglarized twice.

The first time by a HS friend of our son that my wife and I saw bolt from our front door holding a pillow case as we came in through the back. I didn't chase him because I knew he could outrun me and I thought there was a chance it was just a prank. When our son drove up, we told him what happened and he went to the kid's apartment and the kid admitted having stolen some jewelry that he was too ignorant to know was worth next to nothing. He later called offering to return it and my son, who was very into martial arts at the time, told him never to show up at our house again. When he did anyway a couple months later, my wife and I had to hold our son back so  he wouldn't do some serious damage to the kid, who was so scared we never heard hide nor hair from him again.

The second time was about 3 a.m. when the neighbor kid outside his house for a smoke saw a guy walk out of my home office located in a corner of our 3-car garage. It was just too coincidental that earlier that week an appraiser came by and saw all the sports memorabilia out in my office. The burglar, who was carrying a large box, ignored the neighbor kid and sped off and unfortunately, the photo the kid took of the car's rear license plate was fuzzy and the burglar didn't leave a single useful fingerprint.

Warning to the uninformed: Finger prints are damn near useless unless left on a totally flat surface and unless the culprit's prints are already in a database. 

[utenation]

On 5/9/2023 at 2:35 PM, Bob said:

Didn't know raw data are racist. You clown

Yeah, you’re not a racist. Just a common, good ole GOP fella looking for common ground solutions… 

On 5/1/2023 at 8:42 PM, Bob said:

It’s also welfare culture, entitlement culture and victim culture . Lot of rot in black culture

 

[Spaztecs]

On 5/9/2023 at 9:58 AM, AztecSU said:

The US is an embarrassment 

 

 

That is just sick and sad.

The only thing they missed was the Cops shooting the good guys who took down the shooter.