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On 5/8/2023 at 5:35 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

No.  A home invasion does not require somebody to be home when it was invaded.  

OK, I'll rephrase again. During what percentage of the 1.65M was someone at home?

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On 5/8/2023 at 6:52 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

OK, I'll rephrase again. During what percentage of the 1.65M was someone at home?

A not insignificant percentage.  The number is not listed on any of he crime statistics.  It's considered the same crime whether home or not.  And again, if someone comes home and finds their home was broken into and they did not own a gun, do you think it would be likely they would purchase one?   I do.  

How about this.  4.5 million people have their home invaded each year.  

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On 5/8/2023 at 6:52 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

OK, I'll rephrase again. During what percentage of the 1.65M was someone at home?

When I was about 12 my dad and I came home late one night to find a bunch of sacks of our belongings loaded in bags in our kitchen. We’re both wondering WTF. So my dad goes into his bedroom and I hear him talking to someone. I go see what’s up and this dude is hiding on one side of the bed. 

Fortunately he didn’t have a gun or we might have been dead. My dad was a pretty big guy and the dude was on the small side. So my dad grabs him and hauls him next door to our neighbor who calls the police. 

My dad goes to court to testify and the dude had been let out of prison two weeks prior for burglary. They sent him back for seven more years. 

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On 5/8/2023 at 5:34 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Well it's pretty much common sense.  If multiple people break into your home a semi automatic means a good chance of living.  A blot action means much more likely death.  That's why someone would need one.  The same reasons that make them deadlier in homicides make them more likely to save your life in self defense.

That is why you use a shotgun.   Just aim at door frame.

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On 5/8/2023 at 5:49 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Self defensive gun use estimates range from 60,000 to 2.5 million times a year.  Do 60,000 people a year accidently shoot their dick off.  I bet those girls murdered in Moscow which they had a semi automatic hand gun with them that night.  

There were 1,650,000+ home invasions in 2022 in the US.  That's not...uncommon.  If I was the victim of a home invasion I would much rather have a semiautomatic weapon to defend myself.  Pretty simple.  That's why someone would need one.  

What?  You people really live in fear.   How many home invasions are there really?  I live in a place with no guns and where home invasions have happened.  I don't need a gun.  They make a home more dangerous. 

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On 5/8/2023 at 6:52 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

OK, I'll rephrase again. During what percentage of the 1.65M was someone at home?

"Home invasion" is now synonymous with a burglary where nobody was home?  Most of the time people are trying to commit theft and are actively avoiding the owner. 

If you want to commit a rape our murder, you are much better off doing it away from the victims home turf.  

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On 5/8/2023 at 7:32 PM, soupslam1 said:

When I was about 12 my dad and I came home late one night to find a bunch of sacks of our belongings loaded in bags in our kitchen. We’re both wondering WTF. So my dad goes into his bedroom and I hear him talking to someone. I go see what’s up and this dude is hiding on one side of the bed. 

Fortunately he didn’t have a gun or we might have been dead. My dad was a pretty big guy and the dude was on the small side. So my dad grabs him and hauls him next door to our neighbor who calls the police. 

My dad goes to court to testify and the dude had been let out of prison two weeks prior for burglary. They sent him back for seven more years. 

Good thing nobody had a gun and nobody died.  Today, the guy would have gotten a gun at a gun show with no background check. 

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On 5/8/2023 at 7:43 PM, Akkula said:

"Home invasion" is now synonymous with a burglary where nobody was home?  Most of the time people are trying to commit theft and are actively avoiding the owner. 

If you want to commit a rape our murder, you are much better off doing it away from the victims home turf.  

Home invasion has always had the same definition.  Always.  Take it up with the FBI or whoever.  

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On 5/8/2023 at 7:40 PM, Akkula said:

What?  You people really live in fear.   How many home invasions are there really?  I live in a place with no guns and where home invasions have happened.  I don't need a gun.  They make a home more dangerous. 

I'm glad you are speaking from a place of such privilege but stop looking down on black people and women.

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On 5/8/2023 at 7:49 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

I'm glad you are speaking from a place of such privilege but stop looking down on black people and women.

Black people and women will be better off if their oppressors are disarmed.   Many blacks and women are killed with firearms.   Abusive men with guns kill so many women and children.   It has been proven more guns equals more death for kids and women. 

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On 5/8/2023 at 7:58 PM, Akkula said:

Black people and women will be better off if their oppressors are disarmed.   Many blacks and women are killed with firearms.   Abusive men with guns kill so many women and children.   It has been proven more guns equals more death for kids and women. 

Yes, if only anybody ever thought about disarming the gangs, thieves and rapists.  Brilliant.  

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On 5/8/2023 at 7:59 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Yes, if only anybody ever thought about disarming the gangs, thieves and rapists.  Brilliant.  

Bro, they do it in every other country.   You put criminals in jail.   You really believe everyone getting in shootouts is the answer?  Arming teachers?  Good guy with a gun theory?  Haven't you been paying attention?  All the platitudes have been thoroughly disproven as the bodies pile up. 

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On 5/8/2023 at 8:03 PM, Akkula said:

Bro, they do it in every other country.   You put criminals in jail.   You really believe everyone getting in shootouts is the answer?  Arminging teachers?  Good guy with a fun?  Haven't you been paying attention?  All the platitudes have been thoroughly disproven as the bodies pile up. 

Bro, in this country, the gang banger will always have guns.  We do put them in jail.  We have the highest incarceration rate in the world.  There is no incentive for criminals to participate in a buy back program.  You kept asking how that illegal immigrant got a gun.  Black market.  That's how.  It was probably incredibly easy as well.  You are asking people to agree to be further out gunned by criminals.  No man living in the hood is going want to give up his semiautomatic weapon he keeps for defense of his person and home.  No woman who has ever been sexually assaulted, or single mom with a stalker will as well.  

I'm glad you are in such a place of privilege you have nothing to fear in your life.  That's not the case for many.

Actual defensive gun use in this country is likely in the hundreds of thousands.  It's a thing.  

Good guy with a gun has not been "disproven"  just recently two would be mass shooters were killed by good guys with guns before they could inflict carnage. 

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On 5/8/2023 at 7:09 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Bro, in this country, the gang banger will always have guns.  We do put them in jail.  We have the highest incarceration rate in the world.  There is no incentive for criminals to participate in a buy back program.  You kept asking how that illegal immigrant got a gun.  Black market.  That's how.  It was probably incredibly easy as well.  You are asking people to agree to be further out gunned by criminals.  No man living in the hood is going want to give up his semiautomatic weapon he keeps for defense of his person and home.  No woman who has ever been sexually assaulted, or single mom with a stalker will as well.  

I'm glad you are in such a place of privilege you have nothing to fear in your life.  That's not the case for many.

In a way you are saying that there are so many guns in circulation nothing can be done. I think that it relatively true right now. But is it true 15 or 20 years into a new ban? We don’t know. And consider your own words. We have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world and we are still one of the worst countries in the world for gun violence. Time for something other than it’s too late we can’t do anything now. 

 

 

 

 

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On 5/8/2023 at 8:09 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Bro, in this country, the gang banger will always have guns.  We do put them in jail.  We have the highest incarceration rate in the world.  There is no incentive for criminals to participate in a buy back program.  You kept asking how that illegal immigrant got a gun.  Black market.  That's how.  It was probably incredibly easy as well.  You are asking people to agree to be further out gunned by criminals.  No man living in the hood is going want to give up his semiautomatic weapon he keeps for defense of his person and home.  No woman who has ever been sexually assaulted, or single mom with a stalker will as well.  

I'm glad you are in such a place of privilege you have nothing to fear in your life.  That's not the case for many.

But the gang bangers and rapists aren't the one slaughtering everyone in schools and malls. "Good guys with guns"  are the ones killing our kids.   Other countries manage to keep their citizens safe and put away violent criminals.  The USA has a high incarceration rate because we lock up non violent people a LOT.

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