Unified thread on all the legal woes of trump & his clown cohorts

[bornontheblue]

On 6/3/2024 at 12:18 PM, toonkee said:

Then so be it.  That's justice. Not you watching fox and thinking you know anything here.

Lol, I haven't watched Fox News in years. 

My opinion agrees with other well respected politicians like Mitt Romney and Susan Collins neither of him are Trump supporters. 

[toonkee]

On 6/3/2024 at 11:26 AM, bornontheblue said:

Lol, I haven't watched Fox News in years. 

My opinion agrees with other well respected politicians like Mitt Romney and Susan Collins neither of him are Trump supporters. 

Do you think Trump is guilty of the crimes he was charged with?

[toonkee]

On 6/3/2024 at 11:25 AM, bornontheblue said:

According to federal prosecutors there was no federal  crime He paid off the pornstar and labeled it legal expenses which is perhaps one of the most benign offenses Trump could do.  The prosecutor with the assistance of the Judge, and a very friendly jury pool manipulated it into a felony made up in fantasy land that only grandjean would fall for. 

I unlike you am against allowing politicians using the judicial system to invent crimes take out their opponents. If that is the way politics are going to devolve in our country we may as well embrace the Venezuelan system and fight fire with fire. Go get em Mississippi. 

I am against the weaponization of the courts. I am also against criminals getting a pass because they are politicians or because bornontheblue sitting on an office chair in Idaho doesn't think the charges were serious enough because of what he read on twitter and saw on fox news or because a politician told him.  

[bornontheblue]

On 6/3/2024 at 12:47 PM, toonkee said:

I am against the weaponization of the courts

lol

On 6/3/2024 at 12:47 PM, toonkee said:

in Idaho doesn't think the charges were serious enough because of what he read on twitter and saw on fox news or because a politician told him.  

The only crime that we can say that was committed was paying off a pornstar and labeling it legal fees in the business records. About as trivial as you can get really. 

You criticize my analyses while you just simply read headlines from sources that say what you want to hear. 

[bornontheblue]

On 6/3/2024 at 12:42 PM, toonkee said:

Do you think Trump is guilty of the crimes he was charged with?

I don't know. The original crime went past the statute of limitations, and the judge won't tell us what the secondary crimes were to bring the original crime back to life as a felony.  Now add to that the fact that the Judge told the Jury to use any combination they needed to to get to 12 guilty votes, and we don't know what those were either. Is this real? You can be convicted of a crime without knowing what the actual crime was. Hugo Chavez would be so proud of us. 

It is some pretty shady shit, but you just nod your head in agreement because you really wanted trump to be guilty anyways. 

 

[renoskier]

On 6/3/2024 at 10:37 AM, bornontheblue said:

From a Jury pool that is 95 percent democrat. 

 

75/25 in NYC

but the fact remains, Trump's lawyers filled 50% of the jury and they only needed to convince 1

[Spaztecs]

On 6/3/2024 at 12:07 PM, bornontheblue said:

It is one of the most necessary things ever. 

If one side is going to weaponize the judicial system to take out a political rival then the same weapon needs to be used in return. Make rogue prosecutors and judges think through the consequences of politicizing their jobs. 

Go Mississippi , figure it out. Make up some charges, they don't even have to be based in reality as proven by the NY Case. 

There is only one side making accusations of weaponizing the Guv and it ain't the Dems.

Everytime something goes against Trump he immediately cries foul and claims the system is against him.

Fortunately for him, he's got millions of rubes like you to agree with him 

[UNLV2001]

On 6/3/2024 at 12:15 PM, renoskier said:

75/25 in NYC

but the fact remains, Trump's lawyers filled 50% of the jury and they only needed to convince 1

Exactly...........the LOSS's attorney's had a say in who sat on the jury, they could have had the LOSS testify on his own behalf (FUN!) and they could have offered up a better defense that "Michael Cohen is a serial liar", when every lie Cohen told, was on behalf of the LOSS who is in fact a serial liar 

[UNLV2001]

Wonder if the LOSS cultists will complain that Beau Biden's trial is in LA, where the jury will be majority democrat leaning and there's a conviction ?!?!

[renoskier]

On 6/3/2024 at 12:30 PM, UNLV2001 said:

Wonder if the LOSS cultists will complain that Beau Biden's trial is in LA, where the jury will be majority democrat leaning and there's a conviction ?!?!

 

and the judge has already prohibited a Biden witness and evidence 

[grandjean87]

On 6/3/2024 at 12:47 PM, toonkee said:

I am against the weaponization of the courts. I am also against criminals getting a pass because they are politicians or because bornontheblue sitting on an office chair in Idaho doesn't think the charges were serious enough because of what he read on twitter and saw on fox news or because a politician told him.  

Hunter Biden, under federal indictments and one after political pressure took back a plea deal, is also against weaponization of the courts and DoJ.  I mean, when the AG opens up a separate catch all inquiry into all things Hunter (Barr did this) that's weaponization.  Dad is probably against weaponization of Congress after the impeachment inquiry proved the biggest pile of and waste of time. 
 

As for the NY case, it's pretty simple.  Trump violated Ş 175.10 + Ş 17-152.  We know what he did. We know what was done.  

 

The NY Tax fraud aside, the 3rd party payment by Cohen was a FECA violation

FEC 113.1 (g) (6): "Third party payments.  Notwithstanding that the use of funds for a particular expense would be a personal use under this section, payment of that expense by any person other than the candidate or the campaign committee shall be a contribution under subpart B of part 100 to the candidate unless the payment would have been made irrespective of the candidacy." ...Generally, payments of expenses that would be personal use if made by the candidate or the
candidate’s committee will be considered contributions to the candidate if made by a third party."

Btw: From 2018 when you couldn't touch the sitting president. Too bad FECA is like the NCAA of federal agencies.  

[grandjean87]

On 6/3/2024 at 1:30 PM, UNLV2001 said:

Wonder if the LOSS cultists will complain that Beau Biden's trial is in LA, where the jury will be majority democrat leaning and there's a conviction ?!?!

Beau won't show for an obvious reason, but I'm sure there are goobers wishing the LA trial was in Bumpkis, Alabama.  Then again, it's a federal trial so no chance for red state prosecutor revenge. 

 

[UNLV2001]

https://www.propublica.org/article/donald-trump-criminal-cases-witnesses-financial-benefits

Nine witnesses in the criminal cases against former President Donald Trump have received significant financial benefits, including large raises from his campaign, severance packages, new jobs, and a grant of shares and cash from Trump’s media company.

The benefits have flowed from Trump’s businesses and campaign committees, according to a ProPublica analysis of public disclosures, court records and securities filings. One campaign aide had his average monthly pay double, from $26,000 to $53,500. Another employee got a $2 million severance package barring him from voluntarily cooperating with law enforcement. And one of the campaign’s top officials had her daughter hired onto the campaign staff, where she is now the fourth-highest-paid employee.

[toonkee]

On 6/3/2024 at 11:58 AM, bornontheblue said:

I don't know. The original crime went past the statute of limitations, and the judge won't tell us what the secondary crimes were to bring the original crime back to life as a felony.  Now add to that the fact that the Judge told the Jury to use any combination they needed to to get to 12 guilty votes, and we don't know what those were either. Is this real? You can be convicted of a crime without knowing what the actual crime was. Hugo Chavez would be so proud of us. 

It is some pretty shady shit, but you just nod your head in agreement because you really wanted trump to be guilty anyways. 

[bornontheblue]

On 6/3/2024 at 1:49 PM, grandjean87 said:

he 3rd party payment by Cohen was a FECA violation

Except federal prosecutors said it wasn't , and they wouldn't prosecute it. Seems like something that testimony should have been allowed on. Why did the judge not allow this testimony? 

Where is the evidence that deducting it as legal fees is tax fraud. He paid his lawyer to get a person to sign an NDA. Celebrities do this all the time and no doubt they expense it as legal fees and no doubt many , many politicians do this all the time. It is suddenly a crime when Trump does it. Why?  Could it be because you have Bidens testcles in your good masagging hand. 

 

Why don't we know the exact crimes that he was found guilty of to elevate this to a felony? Seems only fair to know exactly what crime you have been found guilty 

Last time I checked you need to have a unanimous verdict on a single crime to be convicted of a single crime.  Why did the judge allow multiple combinations to get to 12 guilty votes? 

You know the answer to all three  of those questions, but you wanted this verdict soooo bad that you will let yourself be fooled by nonsense.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[grandjean87]

On 6/3/2024 at 1:57 PM, UNLV2001 said:

https://www.propublica.org/article/donald-trump-criminal-cases-witnesses-financial-benefits

Nine witnesses in the criminal cases against former President Donald Trump have received significant financial benefits, including large raises from his campaign, severance packages, new jobs, and a grant of shares and cash from Trump’s media company.

The benefits have flowed from Trump’s businesses and campaign committees, according to a ProPublica analysis of public disclosures, court records and securities filings. One campaign aide had his average monthly pay double, from $26,000 to $53,500. Another employee got a $2 million severance package barring him from voluntarily cooperating with law enforcement. And one of the campaign’s top officials had her daughter hired onto the campaign staff, where she is now the fourth-highest-paid employee.

Read that earlier this morning. Surprising the crime boss does crime things.

[toonkee]

On 6/3/2024 at 1:03 PM, bornontheblue said:

Except federal prosecutors said it wasn't , and they wouldn't prosecute it. Seems like something that testimony should have been allowed on. Why did the judge not allow this testimony? 

Where is the evidence that deducting it as legal fees is tax fraud. He paid his lawyer to get a person to sign an NDA. Celebrities do this all the time and no doubt they expense it as legal fees and no doubt many , many politicians do this all the time. It is suddenly a crime when Trump does it. Why?  Could it be because you have Bidens testcles in your good masagging hand. 

 

Why don't we know the exact crimes that he was found guilty of to elevate this to a felony? Seems only fair to know exactly what crime you have been found guilty 

Last time I checked you need to have a unanimous verdict on a single crime to be convicted of a single crime.  Why did the judge allow multiple combinations to get to 12 guilty votes? 

You know the answer to all three  of those questions, but you wanted this verdict soooo bad that you will let yourself be fooled by nonsense.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[toonkee]

On 6/3/2024 at 12:49 PM, grandjean87 said:

Hunter Biden, under federal indictments and one after political pressure took back a plea deal, is also against weaponization of the courts and DoJ.  I mean, when the AG opens up a separate catch all inquiry into all things Hunter (Barr did this) that's weaponization.  Dad is probably against weaponization of Congress after the impeachment inquiry proved the biggest pile of and waste of time. 
 

As for the NY case, it's pretty simple.  Trump violated Ş 175.10 + Ş 17-152.  We know what he did. We know what was done.  

 

The NY Tax fraud aside, the 3rd party payment by Cohen was a FECA violation

FEC 113.1 (g) (6): "Third party payments.  Notwithstanding that the use of funds for a particular expense would be a personal use under this section, payment of that expense by any person other than the candidate or the campaign committee shall be a contribution under subpart B of part 100 to the candidate unless the payment would have been made irrespective of the candidacy." ...Generally, payments of expenses that would be personal use if made by the candidate or the
candidate’s committee will be considered contributions to the candidate if made by a third party."

Btw: From 2018 when you couldn't touch the sitting president. Too bad FECA is like the NCAA of federal agencies.  

But the earth looks really flat dude. How can this be?

[Akkula]

On 6/3/2024 at 2:03 PM, bornontheblue said:

Except federal prosecutors said it wasn't ,

 

That isn't true.  Merrick Garland was just too chicken shit to prosecute.  It was an open and shut case but he DIDNT prosecute becuase of political pressure from Trump.

[bornontheblue]

On 6/3/2024 at 2:14 PM, toonkee said:

But the earth looks really flat dude. How can this be?

He didn't really say anything other than what I said, Yes proof of the secondary crime elevates the first to a felony.  grandjean will just take anything that is spoon fed to him that is what he wants to believe anyways, and he will pepper in some "analyses" that makes it sound smart. 

Grandjean is more of an easily manipulated moron who provides  analyses disguised as rationalization.