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On 4/6/2023 at 12:20 PM, UNLV2001 said:

trump has multiple court case coming - he's going to be sweating bigly 

Although it seems to me that the "I just want to find 11,780 more votes" case is the strongest, it will unfortunately be tried in Georgia where at least one of the 12 jurors figures to be a diehard Trumpist.

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On 4/6/2023 at 12:55 PM, SharkTanked said:

Interesting perspective...

Jason Oh, now a professor at Cleveland State Law School who until recently was at UCLA, and Lawrence Tribe of Harvard Law School are among legal scholars who think the NY case against Trump is stronger than many have said. As I mentioned before, a couple pundits on CNN who criticized the case are not even lawyers, much less recognized legal scholars. And then there's this person: https://edailybuzz.com/2021/02/10/quinta-jurecic-wiki-bio-wife-husband-age-partner-net-worth-salary-birthday-married/ She was one of the first to gain traction by blasting the charges against Trump. Just how has she suddenly been handed the mantle of legal expert?

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On 4/6/2023 at 12:55 PM, SharkTanked said:

Interesting perspective...

 

 

On 4/6/2023 at 1:20 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

Jason Oh, now a professor at Cleveland State Law School who until recently was at UCLA, and Lawrence Tribe of Harvard Law School are among legal scholars who think the NY case against Trump is stronger than many have said. As I mentioned before, a couple pundits on CNN who criticized the case are not even lawyers, much less recognized legal scholars. And then there's this person: https://edailybuzz.com/2021/02/10/quinta-jurecic-wiki-bio-wife-husband-age-partner-net-worth-salary-birthday-married/ She was one of the first to gain traction by blasting the charges against Trump. Just how has she suddenly been handed the mantle of legal expert?

 

These are interesting points. My sense has been that the case isn't so strong because the novel legal theory of using what seem to be largely federal elections crimes as the impetus to charge as felonies under state law. But NY is a cop state, and NYC is a cop city. Always has been. And they have a nice long history of criminalizing things that would otherwise be mundane but were associated with organized crime or black people. Hell, pinball was illegal in NYC until like the 70s. So maybe there is something here, where this holds up more under NY State law. 

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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On 4/6/2023 at 1:32 PM, smltwnrckr said:

These are interesting points. My sense has been that the case isn't so strong because the novel legal theory of using what seem to be largely federal elections crimes as the impetus to charge as felonies. But NY is a cop state, and NYC is a cop city. Always has been. And they have a nice long history of criminalizing things that would otherwise be mundane but were associated with organized crime or black people. Hell, pinball was illegal in NYC until like the 70s. So maybe there is something here, where this holds up more under NY State law. 

It's not exactly a secret that I detest Trump. However, if I was convinced the NY case against him is truly garbage, I would flat out say so because I would join those who are concerned that bringing an unmeritorious case against him before other apparently muscular litigation has run its course could harm the national reaction to the latter stuff.

Quinta Jurecic now works for something called the Lawfare Institute. I had never heard of it before nor had I heard of the term "lawfare": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawfare I note that the term was coined by this guy who is still involved with that institute: https://law.duke.edu/fac/dunlap/ As a retired AF colonel teaching at Duke, his politics are probably not exactly left wing.

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On 4/6/2023 at 2:32 PM, smltwnrckr said:

 

 

These are interesting points. My sense has been that the case isn't so strong because the novel legal theory of using what seem to be largely federal elections crimes as the impetus to charge as felonies under state law. But NY is a cop state, and NYC is a cop city. Always has been. And they have a nice long history of criminalizing things that would otherwise be mundane but were associated with organized crime or black people. Hell, pinball was illegal in NYC until like the 70s. So maybe there is something here, where this holds up more under NY State law. 

It's taxes.  Election laws as in NY 17-152 may come into play, but the noose that hangs if it ever gets that far is taxes.  

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On 4/6/2023 at 1:52 PM, grandjean87 said:

It's taxes.  Election laws as in NY 17-152 may come into play, but the noose that hangs if it ever gets that far is taxes.  

I haven't seen that tax law could play a role until just now, but I'm also confused at how taxes play a role here. Not confused enough to read about it, though... lol.

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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On 4/6/2023 at 3:03 PM, smltwnrckr said:

I haven't seen that tax law could play a role until just now, but I'm also confused at how taxes play a role here. Not confused enough to read about it, though... lol.

I should have been more clear.  Election laws obviously come into play.  Baggs clearly pointed to 17-152 in his presser on at least one answer to questions.  But, the involvement of tax fraud via falsified records is what nails him. The document evidence is extensive.  It also demonstrates a pattern of behavior involving three different payoffs which goes to intent.  

But, it's almost 8 months to the first hearing where presumably the Trump team will move to dismiss.  Assuming that fails, we're looking at Spring 2024 for the next hearing before any trial date is set.  I can't imagine Georgia not coming into play well before then as well as Jack Smith.  It's going to be a crazy election cycle. 
 

Edit:  Ad I've posted multiple times, 175.05 (misdemeanor) is a slam dunk.  For the felony charge (below), the bar for the predicate crime is low to include intent rather than conviction or court evidence (which appears in AMI's non-prosecution agreement).  

§ 175.10 Falsifying business records in the first degree:

A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree
when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.

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On 4/6/2023 at 1:05 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

Good. According to her contacts, former Trump WH staffer and now CNN contributor Alyssa Farah Griffin has said this legal stuff has been really bothering Mr. Grumpy. That's pretty obvious by how much Mr. G has ridiculed not just the folks involved with his NY escapades but also federal prosecutor Jack Smith. Examples: Name calling Smith and hilariously asserting that Jack Smith wasn't always the guy's name. (Well, that was his name in his HS yearbook and Smith couldn't have changed it before then because he wasn't of age.)

I had just graduated HS when Nixon resigned and after what Gerald Ford called "our national nightmare," I thought there would never be such a disreputable person in the WH again. However, Trump has made Nixon look small time in comparison. The Republican leadership's refusal to turn their back on Grumpy has made me think that an event of double-epic proportions by the POS is needed to prevent another such recurrence. Lock him up! And throw away the key!

It would seem the Georgia Indictments have more teeth. NY should have waited. Especially, with what appears to be misdemeanors. This gives the appearance of Weaponization to his base.

In the public eye, this weakens the Georgia Indictments.

Let's hope and pray, the Electorate rejects him and the Maga Movement.

Again.

"We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories."

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On 4/6/2023 at 10:51 AM, grandjean87 said:

When I was a kid, his dirty words and stuff was hilarious.  He had great timing and mannerism.  A great comic. 

I see Carlin often trending on Twitter usually with some political insights that posters feel relevant to news.  He appealed to the nihilism in people.  Trump sort of does that.  George often wrapped up the complexity of our world with static determinism and many thought/think that profound.  

Sounds like the type of people who enjoy "Imagine".

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