The "UN"-Official SDSU to the Pac thread.

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 7/12/2023 at 3:06 PM, sactowndog said:

Fine us arguing on a message board doesn’t really matter.  But my comparison was not cherry picked.  It was same day of week, same time, same station.   You are welcome to try to find other examples but good luck as usually the PAC teams play earlier or on ESPN or both. 
 

And just to be clear I am not arguing Fresno is the same.  But if they brought us in at a half share it’s about commensurate with the ratings everything being equal.  

You are right.  When comparing T.V. numbers it ONLY makes sense to compare similar time slots and channels.  

For example, if the MWC listened to Boise we would be contracted with ESPN.  All the games played on ESPN would have much larger viewing numbers than Fox Sports or CBSSN.  It does not mean our schools are suddenly more valuable T.V. commodities.  

[RebelAlliance]

On 7/12/2023 at 4:45 PM, East Coast Aztec said:

I doubt they have the physical capacity to do that.  Ohio State by design is the lone big research university, as are most Big Ten schools.  The size of CA made it so Cal had to have a southern brother, and they have continued to build so there is research areas for the regions.  Ohio hasn't needed to do such a thing, and they had the physical footprint to grow to account for their students.

Looking at the stats, if Ohio State made the decision to shrink their freshman classes to the size of UCLA and Cal, they would probably be every bit as selective.  I'm sure that the same is true for Wisconsin, Illinois and Minnesota.

[RebelAlliance]

On 7/12/2023 at 4:45 PM, East Coast Aztec said:

I doubt they have the physical capacity to do that.  Ohio State by design is the lone big research university, as are most Big Ten schools.  The size of CA made it so Cal had to have a southern brother, and they have continued to build so there is research areas for the regions.  Ohio hasn't needed to do such a thing, and they had the physical footprint to grow to account for their students.

Quick Google search shows UCLA campus at 419 acres and Ohio State's at 1665, so four times the size.

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 7/12/2023 at 6:02 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

You are right.  When comparing T.V. numbers it ONLY makes sense to compare similar time slots and channels.  

For example, if the MWC listened to Boise we would be contracted with ESPN.  All the games played on ESPN would have much larger viewing numbers than Fox Sports or CBSSN.  It does not mean our schools are suddenly more valuable T.V. commodities.  

For example.  800k viewers is more impressive on FS2 at 9 PM MTN kick than 1.4 million on ESPN at 4:00 PM.....

[Headbutt]

On 7/12/2023 at 6:42 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

For example.  800k viewers is more impressive on FS2 at 9 PM MTN kick than 1.4 million on ESPN at 4:00 PM.....

Ummm, no it’s not. It’s 800K vs 1.4 million. 

[RSF]

On 7/12/2023 at 7:49 PM, Headbutt said:

Ummm, no it’s not. It’s 800K vs 1.4 million. 

1.4 on ESPN is nothing special.  800k on FS2 is record breaking.

[Cougar/Frog]

When comparing viewership, it doesn't make sense to compare only rated games.   If games appear on a network that no one watches, shouldn't those games get a zero viewership or maybe 50k, instead of excluding the games?  If the games had value, they would be rated. 

Most average ratings I have seen exclude unrated games.  Let's do an example: team 1 had 6 rated games for an average of 2.15m viewers per rated game.  However, given that there were 12 regular season games, the average viewer per game was only 1.08m.

Meanwhile, team 2 averaged a somewhat comparable 2.64 million per rated regular game, but had 10 rated games.  Average viewers per game is 2.2million or twice that of team 1.  Team 2 is worth twice as much as team 1, given total regular season viewership was twice that of team 1. 

[sactowndog]

On 7/12/2023 at 3:06 PM, Pelado said:

You think BYU is going to be lobbying for Fresno to be added to the Big 12?  I doubt it.  The BYU admin's first choice would likely be Utah and then Boise State.

I could be wrong but I do know BYU likes to have trips to CA especially for all their Olympic sports. 

[sactowndog]

On 7/12/2023 at 4:35 PM, Someone Else said:

Since all these schools are for profit I would imagine that they would take more students if they could. 

I imagine they would need more infrastructure to handle a substantially higher numbers.

Just a guess though.

For profit???? 

[RSF]

On 7/12/2023 at 8:12 PM, sactowndog said:

I could be wrong but I do know BYU likes to have trips to CA especially for all their Olympic sports. 

And there isn't a sport where they can't continue to do that.

[sactowndog]

On 7/12/2023 at 6:17 PM, RSF said:

And there isn't a sport where they can't continue to do that.

Again it’s doesn’t make my day or not but too much smoke around conversations coming from people who have some journalistic integrity to uphold to think conversations have not occurred at a substantial level.   That doesn’t mean Presidents have signed off or it will happen but conversations have occurred.  

[RSF]

On 7/12/2023 at 8:20 PM, sactowndog said:

Again it’s doesn’t make my day or not but too much smoke around conversations coming from people who have some journalistic integrity to uphold to think conversations have not occurred at a substantial level.   That doesn’t mean Presidents have signed off or it will happen but conversations have occurred.  

Like who?  Yoda is not a bastion of integrity, journalistic or otherwise.  Canzano said they had some conversations. BFD.  That was months ago, and Yormark has no doubt talked to everybody since he took over.

[AztecSU]

On 7/12/2023 at 5:58 PM, Cougar/Frog said:

When comparing viewership, it doesn't make sense to compare only rated games.   If games appear on a network that no one watches, shouldn't those games get a zero viewership or maybe 50k, instead of excluding the games?  If the games had value, they would be rated. 

Most average ratings I have seen exclude unrated games.  Let's do an example: team 1 had 6 rated games for an average of 2.15m viewers per rated game.  However, given that there were 12 regular season games, the average viewer per game was only 1.08m.

Meanwhile, team 2 averaged a somewhat comparable 2.64 million per rated regular game, but had 10 rated games.  Average viewers per game is 2.2million or twice that of team 1.  Team 2 is worth twice as much as team 1, given total regular season viewership was twice that of team 1. 

This is funny because part of how you could determine who had/has value in the MW besides Boise was the amount of CBSSN selections a school had. That’s changed some with the new tv deal but was painfully obvious for the previous one. 

[utenation]

On 7/12/2023 at 6:58 PM, Cougar/Frog said:

When comparing viewership, it doesn't make sense to compare only rated games.   If games appear on a network that no one watches, shouldn't those games get a zero viewership or maybe 50k, instead of excluding the games?  If the games had value, they would be rated. 

Most average ratings I have seen exclude unrated games.  Let's do an example: team 1 had 6 rated games for an average of 2.15m viewers per rated game.  However, given that there were 12 regular season games, the average viewer per game was only 1.08m.

Meanwhile, team 2 averaged a somewhat comparable 2.64 million per rated regular game, but had 10 rated games.  Average viewers per game is 2.2million or twice that of team 1.  Team 2 is worth twice as much as team 1, given total regular season viewership was twice that of team 1. 

I think when it comes down to the bean counters that make specific decisions on expansion with TV Rating value for schools, the decision makers have a lot more data than what’s shared with the public. Including specific market penetration in and out of foot prints as well as DMAs. Not just overall ratings. 

[sactowndog]

On 7/12/2023 at 6:22 PM, RSF said:

Like who?  Yoda is not a bastion of integrity, journalistic or otherwise.  Canzano said they had some conversations. BFD.  That was months ago, and Yormark has no doubt talked to everybody since he took over.

The Fresno 247 board owner who also runs the Cal, Hawaii and SJSU board and has covered Fresno for maybe 10 years, is more plugged in than the Bee Writers and is not one at all prone to hyperbole.   There are certainly people who are prone to hyperbole but Jackson isn’t one of them.   The kid is a good journalist.   

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 7/12/2023 at 6:49 PM, Headbutt said:

Ummm, no it’s not. It’s 800K vs 1.4 million. 

Ummmm no.  A major part of your value is how you compare to other programing in the same slot.  

[RSF]

On 7/12/2023 at 8:43 PM, sactowndog said:

The Fresno 247 board owner who also runs the Cal, Hawaii and SJSU board and has covered Fresno for maybe 10 years, is more plugged in than the Bee Writers and is not one at all prone to hyperbole.   There are certainly people who are prone to hyperbole but Jackson isn’t  of them.   The kid is a good journalist.   

A board owner.

 

 

Well,  that changes everything.

[sactowndog]

On 7/12/2023 at 6:30 PM, utenation said:

I think when it comes down to the bean counters that make specific decisions on expansion with TV Rating value for schools, the decision makers have a lot more data than what’s shared with the public. Including specific market penetration in and out of foot prints as well as DMAs. Not just overall ratings. 

Absolutely.  We can take proxy data and estimate penetration into Bakersfield and the San Joaquin Valley portion of Sac/Stockton/Modesto DMA.  The networks know and can make real projections.  They absolutely will share that data with Yormark.  

[sactowndog]

On 7/12/2023 at 6:47 PM, RSF said:

A board owner.

 

 

Well,  that changes everything.

Make all the snide comments you want but he is very plugged into Fresno State.  As someone who decides where to spend my money for information he is clearly the first choice.  

[utenation]

On 7/12/2023 at 7:48 PM, sactowndog said:

Absolutely.  We can take proxy data and estimate penetration into Bakersfield and the San Joaquin Valley portion of Sac/Stockton/Modesto DMA.  The networks know and can make real projections.  They absolutely will share that data with Yormark.  

At one of my previous jobs, I was an Event Coordinator/Sponsorship Manager for a large Sports Complex that had kids and parents coming from all over the West for competition. 
 

It was my job to understand all the demographics to get local businesses to cough up good money for sponsorships. 
 

We had to pay 3 different marketing firms to get all our data to present to clients.  So yes, the dirty deep details cost money, not something found on a basic google search.