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The "UN"-Official SDSU to the Pac thread.

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Did I hear a WOOSH?

Did I hear a WOOSH?

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On 7/8/2023 at 12:55 AM, utenation said:

But with UCF’s large fanbase, shouldn’t you carry the ratings no matter what?

 

Didn’t Louisville just smoke you in Orlando last year?

They do.

No, but they would smoke your school for sure.  They tried to buy out but couldn’t afford it.  Game was scheduled before the aac existed.

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On 7/7/2023 at 10:58 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

They do.

No, but they would smoke your school for sure.  They tried to buy out but couldn’t afford it.

61st isn’t good bro. I thought you were big time?

I’d love to play Louisville btw. You can’t beat them on the road or at home. 

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On 7/7/2023 at 10:57 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Wilner. Canzano.  Thamel.  Catfish Tony.  Preseason polls.  End of season results.  LA has its own sportscenter.  Pretty simple, in fact both true statements slap you in the face if you can be honest..which you can’t.

 

On 10/15/2022 at 2:49 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

You don’t think there’s west coast bias? You’re calling me stupid? What exactly did any PAC team show to be ranked top 25 preseason this year? Last year? Year before? Even this year where’s the quality game play? Their ooc record? You’re better than this man.

This has been laid out extensively before with the composite trends showing the PAC fading as the season progresses.  Every year.  

 

On 10/15/2022 at 8:21 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

PAC is still benefiting from preseason west coast bias, which will always make you look better in the first half of the season.  It fades annually like clockwork for the PAC.  But seriously, good luck against USC future conference mate. The Massey composite trends are tightening between the PAC and ACC for fourth/fifth place. And 3/4 of the new adds are top 25 caliber teams.  The other would be the best basketball school in the PAC.  

By the way, don’t think UCF is meh anymore.  I’m stunned myself but now that our offense has been let loose we’re one of only three schools in the country with both a top 15 defense and offense (Alabama and Michigan).  

And our Space Game uni’s are the best this year.

 

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G5s better hope that at least one of the Big 12's four additions do better than utenation thinks.  They looked like the four G5s best ready for the P5.  If they can't compete at all, doesn't it make the narrative that there should be no future P5 expansion.  Some of the conversation is already on cutting the fat in the P5, but if they all go 3-9 and look noncompetitive, I doubt there will be much taste for anybody else getting a seat at the table.  At least in football, I have seen great teams at BYU, Central Florida, Houston and Cincinnati in my lifetime.  I'm not sure I have ever seen one at San Diego State.  I have heard how great they were in the Coryell years, but it is a little before my time.  My first Aztec memory came in a nationally televised game for the WAC title in the late 70's.  I think BYU beat them something like 63-14.

I hope San Diego State gets the Pac 12 invite, but I'm not sure how quickly they will be competitive.  It will help to have USC and UCLA gone, but I'm not sure that Southern California isn't about to be Big 10 country instead of Pac 12 country.  Adding San Diego State may not change that equation.  The Big 10 is such a great brand and they do a great job marketing.  Sometimes there isn't enough air left for their competitors to breathe in the markets they share.

As far as the Big 12 still maybe looking at UConn.  What would be so bad on that?  Their basketball program is even better than San Diego State's.  As far as football, they have been down for many years, but they have been to the Fiesta Bowl and won a couple of Big East titles when that was still a decent accomplishment.  With the right hire at coach, which Mora may be, they may get back to those levels.  Even their baseball has been pretty good and I don't even need to mention the success of their women's basketball program.  They are close enough to New York to have a lot of fans there and I doubt they would be a drag on the Big 12 financially.

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On 7/8/2023 at 3:11 AM, masterfrog said:

G5s better hope that at least one of the Big 12's four additions do better than utenation thinks.  They looked like the four G5s best ready for the P5.  If they can't compete at all, doesn't it make the narrative that there should be no future P5 expansion.  Some of the conversation is already on cutting the fat in the P5, but if they all go 3-9 and look noncompetitive, I doubt there will be much taste for anybody else getting a seat at the table.  At least in football, I have seen great teams at BYU, Central Florida, Houston and Cincinnati in my lifetime.  I'm not sure I have ever seen one at San Diego State.  I have heard how great they were in the Coryell years, but it is a little before my time.  My first Aztec memory came in a nationally televised game for the WAC title in the late 70's.  I think BYU beat them something like 63-14.

I hope San Diego State gets the Pac 12 invite, but I'm not sure how quickly they will be competitive.  It will help to have USC and UCLA gone, but I'm not sure that Southern California isn't about to be Big 10 country instead of Pac 12 country.  Adding San Diego State may not change that equation.  The Big 10 is such a great brand and they do a great job marketing.  Sometimes there isn't enough air left for their competitors to breathe in the markets they share.

As far as the Big 12 still maybe looking at UConn.  What would be so bad on that?  Their basketball program is even better than San Diego State's.  As far as football, they have been down for many years, but they have been to the Fiesta Bowl and won a couple of Big East titles when that was still a decent accomplishment.  With the right hire at coach, which Mora may be, they may get back to those levels.  Even their baseball has been pretty good and I don't even need to mention the success of their women's basketball program.  They are close enough to New York to have a lot of fans there and I doubt they would be a drag on the Big 12 financially.

There’s a lot to unpack here, but as for UConn, they don’t care about football..which is a nonstarter for the Big12.  The only way they’ll join is through Olympic affiliation, and I don’t believe enough university presidents are on board with setting the precedent of Olympic only schools at the power level.  It may be a pet project of BY but it has no legs from the membership side.

Utenation is purely satirical and what he says has no basis in logic or fact.  Take the banter from him as purely entertainment, if you will.  There will be an adjustment period from the new 4 but all will adjust just fine eventually.  Some will faster than others.

SDSU will be fine too for another reason you mentioned, there is a lot of fat at the P5 level, particularly in the PAC.  They would have to do a better job in their athletic department as they seem to be kind of bumbling at the upper levels but if they can figure out the program from top to bottom in order they are well positioned to be successful in the new PAC.

Southern California isn’t about to be Big 10 country any more than it was PAC country to begin with.  For its population, it’s an interest desert as it relates to college sports.  USC/UCLA will have a harder time adjusting to the Big 10 than SDSU to the PAC.  They are literally check cashers at this point and couldn’t even be consistent in the anemic PAC, the Big 10 is going to be rude to them. 

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On 7/7/2023 at 10:46 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

And they have a much much larger fanbase across the country, not just regionally in an area that values cfb greater.

And their athletic department is run much better.

And they have better players…and recruiting grounds…and more money… 

It's a fun argument, but the reality is that UCF and now SDSU (with its new stadium and injection of additional funding) are well-above the vast majority of the rest of the G5 schools. 

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On 7/8/2023 at 1:11 AM, masterfrog said:

G5s better hope that at least one of the Big 12's four additions do better than utenation thinks.  They looked like the four G5s best ready for the P5.  If they can't compete at all, doesn't it make the narrative that there should be no future P5 expansion.  Some of the conversation is already on cutting the fat in the P5, but if they all go 3-9 and look noncompetitive, I doubt there will be much taste for anybody else getting a seat at the table.  At least in football, I have seen great teams at BYU, Central Florida, Houston and Cincinnati in my lifetime.  I'm not sure I have ever seen one at San Diego State.  I have heard how great they were in the Coryell years, but it is a little before my time.  My first Aztec memory came in a nationally televised game for the WAC title in the late 70's.  I think BYU beat them something like 63-14.

I hope San Diego State gets the Pac 12 invite, but I'm not sure how quickly they will be competitive.  It will help to have USC and UCLA gone, but I'm not sure that Southern California isn't about to be Big 10 country instead of Pac 12 country.  Adding San Diego State may not change that equation.  The Big 10 is such a great brand and they do a great job marketing.  Sometimes there isn't enough air left for their competitors to breathe in the markets they share.

As far as the Big 12 still maybe looking at UConn.  What would be so bad on that?  Their basketball program is even better than San Diego State's.  As far as football, they have been down for many years, but they have been to the Fiesta Bowl and won a couple of Big East titles when that was still a decent accomplishment.  With the right hire at coach, which Mora may be, they may get back to those levels.  Even their baseball has been pretty good and I don't even need to mention the success of their women's basketball program.  They are close enough to New York to have a lot of fans there and I doubt they would be a drag on the Big 12 financially.

All those teams (other than SDSU) have shown they are P5 caliber at various times in the past. They’ll struggle in the beginning, but with the infusion of more money and better recruiting they’ll be fine sooner than later. Basketball is where they’ll initially really take their lumps (other than SDSU). 

On top of that both the Big 12 and PAC have several punching bags the noobs will be competitive with. 

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On 7/7/2023 at 9:38 PM, jdgaucho said:

 

Does De La Torre saying pro rata count?

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2023-05-26/san-diego-state-sdsu-aztecs-power-conference-relignment-pac-12-big-12-mountain-west-june-30-deadline

 

“I’m really confident about our future in a Power 5 conference,” de la Torre said last week, speaking with the Union-Tribune at the announcement for an MLS expansion team at Snapdragon Stadium beginning in 2025. “I’m also confident that, when we talk about the Pac-12, they need to get the best deal possible for us to get the pro rata share we deserve.

Stating she is confident in the future of SDSU in another conference, while at the same time sending a letter to the MWC that SDSU never intended to leave and remains a member…

 I’m starting to really question her wherewithal.  She’s certainly making the lawyers’ jobs more difficult.  
 

EDIT - never mind it appears this article and quote you cite is from May.  

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On 7/5/2023 at 5:09 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Like 98% sure.  The exit fee was pretty minimal, it was not until after Boise left that it increased to 5 million, which Fresno and Nevada negotiated down.

Fresno and Nevada didn't negotiate it down. The $5m exit fee at the time only applied to the first team to leave, there was no fee for a second team to leave, so they were able split the full $5m exit fee. 

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On 7/8/2023 at 8:58 AM, Koji Vu said:

It's a fun argument, but the reality is that UCF and now SDSU (with its new stadium and injection of additional funding) are well-above the vast majority of the rest of the G5 schools. 

SDSU was before their stadium opened.  Now they’re operating in the red which can kill a program, would like to see them balance a budget.  That is all.

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On 7/8/2023 at 11:57 AM, utenation said:

I already did. Go read the posts I quoted smart guy.  So why don’t you tell us what it means.

So you made it up.  I don’t think I’ve ever mentioned those two schools and our offense was largely one sided in ‘22 so you need to to your game if you’re going to just up and lie about stuff.  

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On 7/8/2023 at 6:52 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Can we finally put to bed the idea that SDSU had a Big 12 invite and did not accept it?  

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/san-diego-state-not-part-of-big-12-expansion-plans-as-aztecs-face-uncertain-future-with-mountain-west-pac-12/

Well, Dennis Dodd has never exactly displayed objectivity toward SDSU. Nevertheless, JD Wicker no longer has any credibility with me either since one of his subordinates straight out told me SDSU was "in" and since others who would know have told me SDSU's football staff, who similarly indirectly report to Wicker, have supposedly been telling HS recruits for several months that if they come to SDSU, the university will be in the Pac by the time they suit up. Granted, that's all hearsay but at a minimum, it speaks poorly of Wicker as a department head. And btw, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that Wicker has been gullible in believing slanted talk from Kliavkoff who looks good as a conference commissioner only in comparison to Larry Scott.

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