The "UN"-Official SDSU to the Pac thread.

[utenation]

On 7/7/2023 at 12:28 PM, Yoda said:

Again,  yet again, BY has not said one word about which schools he hopes to add.

And, at this late date, continuing to say that he has been "very open" about wanting the 4-Cs is an outright lie that entirely discounts his stated desire to be a coast to coast conference. 

Knock it off. 

Let me guess, he wants Fresno instead? Your school isn’t going anywhere dumbass. 

[Dirtball]

SDSU will struggle in P12 for a while. In fact, we will struggle this year in the MWC. 

That being said, IDGAF. Need to get to P12.

[Wyobraska]

On 7/7/2023 at 2:21 PM, Dirtball said:

SDSU will struggle in P12 for a while. In fact, we will struggle this year in the MWC. 

That being said, IDGAF. Need to get to P12.

Is this Hoke's last year?  

[Dirtball]

On 7/7/2023 at 1:33 PM, Wyobraska said:

Is this Hoke's last year?  

I hope so.

[kingpotato]

On 7/7/2023 at 10:45 AM, NorCalCoug said:

So you think SDSU would transition better than a TCU football program that finished #3 in the nation in just their third year in the BigXII?

Yeah, that was a joke of a comment. Plus, both of those schools were already playing in NY6 bowls and and finishing in the top 5. Their program's were far beyond SDSU when they moved up.

[Fowl]

On 7/7/2023 at 8:54 AM, SparkysDad said:

I look at SDSU because of desirable location/market size as one of the few schools that will make the P5 transition faster. I would put them well ahead of Utah and edging out TCU, when those two programs "moved on up".

JMHO, but SDSU avoids the "Boise State Problem", i.e., lack of fertile, heavily-populated recruiting grounds coupled with a small TV market which could lead to disaster in a P5 conference if Boise State becomes average or less at football. 

Sorry but TCU and Utah, before they made the move up, were light years ahead of where SDSU is now.  The year prior to moving up TCU beat Wisky in the Rose Bowl and finished #2 in the country.  Utah's exploits are well known.  Also both schools were playing in a MW that was far stronger than the current MW in which SDSU can't even win a conference championship.

IF SDSU gets called up it will take a long time to get to respectability barring a new coach coming in and setting the place on fire.  Also, if called up, SDSU would only have three non-conference games which makes it tougher to become bowl eligible.  For the first two years SDSU has two HnH's with Pac schools so we could hopefully replace those with one creampuff but in year three we have a game with UCLA and then year four vs Mizzou and @ Oklahoma, year five at Mizzou, and year six vs Oklahoma.  So there's not a lot of leeway in the non-conference schedule to play easier schools.

Under that scenario I'd be very happy just getting to bowl eligibility in any year.

[Brew_Poke]

On 7/7/2023 at 12:23 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

Yup. Although there are a number of non-Aztecs here who don't get it, the MWC needs SDSU much more than SDSU needs the MWC.

As for De La Torre, if she's seen as the reason SDSU doesn't join the Pac, she's going to be under so much pressure from alumni that she'll be looking for another job.

Right. We left SDSU for dead and they got back in because of Boise State, were ready to part ways with Boise State over the term sheet, but for some reason now we really, really need SDSU. You can tell by how we're reacting now to SDSU's latest shenanigans. Get real

[kingpotato]

On 7/7/2023 at 2:21 PM, Dirtball said:

SDSU will struggle in P12 for a while. In fact, we will struggle this year in the MWC. 

That being said, IDGAF. Need to get to P12.

They would struggle early, but they'd get their footing. I mean, the Pac has schools like Wazzu, OSU, Cal, and Arizona which aren't exactly juggernauts.

They'd have an easy transition in basketball.

[jdgaucho]

Meanwhile, no B12 interest in the Aztecs?  And Wicker?  Well...

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/san-diego-state-not-part-of-big-12-expansion-plans-as-aztecs-face-uncertain-future-with-mountain-west-pac-12/

 

Wicker has indicated from the beginning that his school will deserve a full conference share wherever it goes. That would have been $31.7 million as currently distributed by the Big 12. That league is not even giving full shares to its four newest additions as BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and UCF are only receiving $18 million in 2023 and $19 million in 2024 as they get accustomed to the Big 12.

Of course, nothing can be fully settled until the Pac-12 lands a media rights deal. Without it, there is no idea what a full share would be for SDSU.

[Dogs4Me]

On 7/7/2023 at 11:28 AM, utenation said:

It takes time to get your recruiting budget up and overall football expenses up. Coaching salaries, facilities up, nutrition programs, sports medicine all this takes time to improve on. 
 

It will take 3-4 years of solid recruiting classes to improve depth and overall talent to handle a whole season of P5 games, not just 1 or 2  a year. 
 

I’ve never seen a G5 program step up within a year. It takes time. 
 

I’d like to see SDSU. I’ll believe it when I see it. 

Not trying to put words in your mouth here, but for the sake of context, I think what you outline is for a G5 school to make the jump and maintain equal program performance. If a G5 made the jump, they could easily be a bottom feeder like every P5 conference bottom feeder.

 

I know, I know…it’s Captain Obvious shyte, but we do have some dim MF’ers here.

[retrofade]

Which SUDS poster was it that gave me shit for saying their team had likely crapped the bed with the B12? From the latest reporting, it sounds like I was right on that one. 

[kingpotato]

On 7/7/2023 at 3:13 PM, jdgaucho said:

Meanwhile, no B12 interest in the Aztecs?  And Wicker?  Well...

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/san-diego-state-not-part-of-big-12-expansion-plans-as-aztecs-face-uncertain-future-with-mountain-west-pac-12/

 

Wicker has indicated from the beginning that his school will deserve a full conference share wherever it goes. That would have been $31.7 million as currently distributed by the Big 12. That league is not even giving full shares to its four newest additions as BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and UCF are only receiving $18 million in 2023 and $19 million in 2024 as they get accustomed to the Big 12.

Of course, nothing can be fully settled until the Pac-12 lands a media rights deal. Without it, there is no idea what a full share would be for SDSU.

This is where SDSU has lost all of it's leverage when they gave the MW notice to leave. They are left out to dry and will likely take any demands the Pac throws out to them. 

[teappotts]

The SDSU President and AD are looking just foolish at this point. Why send that letter if you don't have an invite in hand? What the hell were they thinking? What an absolute shit show, entertaining, but just head scratching.

[utenation]

On 7/7/2023 at 3:21 PM, Dogs4Me said:

Not trying to put words in your mouth here, but for the sake of context, I think what you outline is for a G5 school to make the jump and maintain equal program performance. If a G5 made the jump, they could easily be a bottom feeder like every P5 conference bottom feeder.

 

I know, I know…it’s Captain Obvious shyte, but we do have some dim MF’ers here.

Agree. I’m just saying the transition isn’t as easy as some make it sound.  It was hard for Utah but overall we have good coaches and 2 AD’s with vision and good money management. 

[FresnoFacts]

On 7/7/2023 at 2:13 PM, jdgaucho said:

Meanwhile, no B12 interest in the Aztecs?  And Wicker?  Well...

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/san-diego-state-not-part-of-big-12-expansion-plans-as-aztecs-face-uncertain-future-with-mountain-west-pac-12/

 

Wicker has indicated from the beginning that his school will deserve a full conference share wherever it goes. That would have been $31.7 million as currently distributed by the Big 12. That league is not even giving full shares to its four newest additions as BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and UCF are only receiving $18 million in 2023 and $19 million in 2024 as they get accustomed to the Big 12.

Of course, nothing can be fully settled until the Pac-12 lands a media rights deal. Without it, there is no idea what a full share would be for SDSU.

 

I can understand publicly saying SDSU deserves a full share to pump up donors, alums, and fans.

But if Wicker and de la Torre were saying that privately in discussions with the PAC or Big 12 I would question what they were thinking.

[818SUDSFan]

On 7/7/2023 at 2:06 PM, kingpotato said:

They would struggle early, but they'd get their footing. I mean, the Pac has schools like Wazzu, OSU, Cal, and Arizona which aren't exactly juggernauts.

They'd have an easy transition in basketball.

The Pac has excellent QBs overall this year and you're overlooking the good, young HCs at WSU and OSU. With all the holes in its roster on offense, I'm glad the Aztecs won't be playing in the Pac until at least the 2024 season because they could actually finish last in the standings in 2023.

[MissionTrails]

On 7/7/2023 at 3:14 PM, FresnoFacts said:

 

I can understand publicly saying SDSU deserves a full share to pump up donors, alums, and fans.

But if Wicker and de la Torre were saying that privately in discussions with the PAC or Big 12 I would question what they were thinking.

I've never seen Wicker or de la Torre say anything about deserving a full share from the get-go. Of course, expansion media coverage is a mish-mash of questionable sourcing and opinions presented as facts.

[Headbutt]

On 7/7/2023 at 12:23 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

Yup. Although there are a number of non-Aztecs here who don't get it, the MWC needs SDSU much more than SDSU needs the MWC.

As for De La Torre, if she's seen as the reason SDSU doesn't join the Pac, she's going to be under so much pressure from alumni that she'll be looking for another job.

I think Fox and CBS will determine that.

[FresnoFacts]

On 7/7/2023 at 3:38 PM, MissionTrails said:

I've never seen Wicker or de la Torre say anything about deserving a full share from the get-go. Of course, expansion media coverage is a mish-mash of questionable sourcing and opinions presented as facts.

Dodd appears to be referring to a January article he wrote after speaking with Wicker.

In that article, Dodd wrote:

"You want San Diego State in your league at [a full media rights share] because you don't want us in the Big 12," said Wicker. "All the Big 12 schools [would] have a reason to come to Southern California to recruit."

That Pac-12 media rights share is being determined. If the Pac-12 goes heavy with a streaming partner, it would mark a first for a Power Five conference. In general, the conference is expected to earn around the same per team as the Big 12 ($31.6 million) when the latter agreed to its deal in October. (That figure does not include revenue from the NCAA Tournament, College Football Playoff and bowl games.)

However, it is common practice for schools moving into a Power Five league to start at a lesser share of media rights revenue and graduate to a full share over a period of time. 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/with-a-sparkling-stadium-and-surging-program-san-diego-state-has-an-easy-case-for-pac-12-expansion/

 

I don't know what Wicker said to Dodd in the bracket that was edited., Maybe Wicker said a dollar amount, maybe Dodd asked about getting a full share and Wicker's reply used something unspecific like "that". But apparently Dodd felt his edit accurately reflected what was said.

[Koji Vu]

On 7/7/2023 at 8:32 AM, utenation said:

I like SDSU a lot. But some of this stuff I’ve heard lately about this is the P12’s fault for SDSU’s mistakes and they have the P12 by the balls gives me pause. 
 

Just because they apparently like to burn bridges doesn’t mean we are to blame.

It's all a media and message board dramafest with no actual substance.

The Pac 12 isn't going to invite or not invite SDSU based on a letter authored by the President of SDSU regardless of what her behind-the-times, whiny, old-man-yelling-at-clouds detractors say. She's not getting fired, and her legacy is intact. She is a great representative and advocate for SDSU in every single way.

Also, the MWC isn't going to kick SDSU out based on those letters either - because SDSU is a major contributor to the conference AND they won't want to give SDSU a legal reason to not pay anything at all for leaving.