The "UN"-Official SDSU to the Pac thread.

[818SUDSFan]

On 7/5/2023 at 1:14 PM, kingpotato said:

There has been a lot of chatter on social media and everyone around the country sees this as massive egg on tecs face except SDSU fans. Most SDSU fans give very weak responses to what is going on.

However, there was one that I believe is true. IF SDSU does end up getting that invite from the Pac soon, they will essentially have gotten exactly what they wanted, which was to not pay the $34m they would have had to pay for leaving after June 30th. It's an all-in gamble that will either be a $17m savings or leave them without a conference. I'm leaning that they will end up getting their Pac invite and the MW contract will be renegotiated down but the loss will be subsidized for a few years with SDSU's basketball run. Thanks for the parting gift.

People who have been involved in the resolution of impasses know that in the great majority of cases the settlement reached involves some face saving by both parties. The back and forth between the leadership of SDSU and the MWC has been an embarrassment to both and if this pissing match gets before a trial court judge, he or she is going to say exactly that to them, probably in chambers but who knows, and tell them to just go away until they can start behaving like adults.

[Headbutt]

On 7/5/2023 at 4:00 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

People who have been involved in the resolution of impasses know that in the great majority of cases the settlement reached involves some face savings by both parties. The back and forth between the leadership of SDSU and the MWC has been an embarrassment to both and I feel comfortable in saying that if this pissing match gets before a trial court judge, he or she is going to say exactly that to them, probably in chambers but who knows, and tell them to just go away until they can start acting like adults.

Actually, I think both parties have been behaving as expected in looking out for their own interests.  I don't know what the resolution will be, but whoever leaked the first letter (and to some extent subsequent ones) needs to be unemployed.  This is nothing if handled behind closed doors.

[818SUDSFan]

On 7/5/2023 at 3:04 PM, Headbutt said:

Actually, I think both parties have been behaving as expected in looking out for their own interests.  I don't know what the resolution will be, but whoever leaked the first letter (and to some extent subsequent ones) needs to be unemployed.  This is nothing if handled behind closed doors.

I disagree. One of the reasons you hire an attorney is so the attorney can speak for you so you don't put your foot in your mouth and prejudice your case and embarrass yourself.

It would behoove both De La Torre and Nevarez to heed that caveat and stop appearing to be highly educated female versions of Donald Trump.

[RSF]

On 7/5/2023 at 5:07 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

I disagree. One of the reasons you hire an attorney is so the attorney can speak for you so you don't put your foot in your mouth and prejudice your case and embarrass yourself.

It would behoove both De La Torre and Nevarez to heed that caveat and stop appearing to be highly educated female versions of Donald Trump.

Nevarez has a law degree.  From Berkeley.  De La Torre does not.

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 7/5/2023 at 3:40 PM, AztecSU said:

It's likely, depending on if/when SDSU formally provides notice, that the "exit fee" will be in the neighborhood of $22-25m, assuming they leave before the 24-25 athletic year. That or the full $34m over something crazy like 20 years, considering the chances the conference changes course and make no issue with SDSU staying one more year since the formal resignation will be after 6/30. 

Fingers crossed for you guys.

[Headbutt]

On 7/5/2023 at 4:07 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

I disagree. One of the reasons you hire an attorney is so the attorney can speak for you so you don't put your foot in your mouth and prejudice your case and embarrass yourself.

It would behoove both De La Torre and Nevarez to heed that caveat and stop appearing to be highly educated female versions of Donald Trump.

I can assure you that Nevarez's reply to the initial letter was vetted by council, she's an attorney so she's savvy enough to run it by another attorney.  If de la Torre's initial letter was vetted by council, they need new council.

Still should have been handled behind closed doors.

[Old_SD_Dude]

On 7/5/2023 at 3:33 PM, Headbutt said:

I can assure you that Nevarez's reply to the initial letter was vetted by council, she's an attorney so she's savvy enough to run it by another attorney.  If de la Torre's initial letter was vetted by council, they need new council.

Still should have been handled behind closed doors.

Counsel. 

[Headbutt]

On 7/5/2023 at 3:40 PM, AztecSU said:

It's likely, depending on if/when SDSU formally provides notice, that the "exit fee" will be in the neighborhood of $22-25m, assuming they leave before the 24-25 athletic year. That or the full $34m over something crazy like 20 years, considering the chances the conference changes course and make no issue with SDSU staying one more year since the formal resignation will be after 6/30. 

LOL!!   Yeah, it's pretty clear that the conference will make no issue with SDSU picking up an extra year without the extra $17 million.  Do you read the newspaper? 

[Headbutt]

On 7/5/2023 at 4:36 PM, Old_SD_Dude said:

Counsel. 

Correct.  Thank you.

That's why you run what you write by somebody else. 

[kingpotato]

On 7/5/2023 at 3:16 PM, jdgaucho said:

Potato, will anyone be surprised to see this going down to the wire?

I wouldn't be surprised by anything anymore. The weirdest shet seems to happen nowadays in conference alignment.

[Super six]

Poor San Diego St is stuck in the welfare conference for a few more years.

[WYO1016]

On 7/5/2023 at 4:33 PM, Headbutt said:

I can assure you that Nevarez's reply to the initial letter was vetted by council, she's an attorney so she's savvy enough to run it by another attorney.  If de la Torre's initial letter was vetted by council, they need new council.

Still should have been handled behind closed doors.

I feel like you're underestimating the arrogance that is prevelant in the realm of attorneys. It's not the majority, but there are PLENTY of attorneys who think they're smarter than everyone else and don't feel a need to bounce ideas off of anyone else. Navarez doesn't strike me as that kind of person, but saying that attorneys are saavy enough to run things by other attorneys is a reach at best.

[MissionTrails]

On 7/5/2023 at 2:38 PM, Javale McGees Burner said:

No way, this is way harder than you'd think for basketball. You have to fill 18 games from the last week of december until the first week of March. Why would anyone decent who is already playing at least twice a week pause their conference schedule to play you? They wouldn't. So if you schedule 18 more non conference games in October-December, you're playing 30 games in 2.5 months. Brutal. Then if you're good and are in a position to get an at-large bid (no conference means no auto-bid) you will be coming off only practicing for 3 and a half months straight. Not only that how are you gonna get an at-large bid when the committee hasn't seen you play since Christmas? This would be a nightmare for mbb and every other sport 

We'd have a full year's head start. Dutcher is well respected in the coaching community. It wouldn't be a slam dunk by any means, and SOS would take a hit overall, but he could get it done. There's a lot of west coast mid-majors, and a few one-off high majors looking to bump up their SOS while doing Dutcher a favor. It's not going to come to that though.

[818SUDSFan]

On 7/5/2023 at 3:13 PM, RSF said:

Nevarez has a law degree.  From Berkeley.  De La Torre does not.

True enough. However, I don't get your point. I said that regardless of having impressive educational backgrounds, neither woman handled this situation well. If you disagree because Nevarez is - or was - an attorney, it is noted that she practiced law for such a "brief" period after passing the bar and then going into academia that none of her bios seems to explain how long that was.

[AztecSU]

So SDSU will be the first school to follow exit fee regs exactly as written. Is that what some of you believe? lol

[Pelado]

On 7/5/2023 at 5:15 PM, AztecSU said:

So SDSU will be the first school to follow exit fee regs exactly as written. Is that what some of you believe? lol

What evidence do you have that they will not have to pay at least $17 million?  What are the mitigating circumstances?

[soupslam1]

I see the following. SDSU gets their invite sometime in the next few months. To forego paying an extra $17M they don’t leave the MWC until 2025. 

The caveat is whether the MWC plays hardball and won’t let them play in 2024. I don’t see that happening. They’ll be allowed to play in 2024 with a penalty or no penalty at all. If they kick the Aztecs out the attorneys will get a lot of chargeable time. 

This all could have been avoided if the Aztecs didn’t get ants in their pants and simply waited for the written invite before giving the MWC formal notice to leave. 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 7/5/2023 at 5:22 PM, soupslam1 said:

I see the following. SDSU gets their invite sometime in the next few months. To forego paying an extra $17M they don’t leave the MWC until 2025. 

The caveat is whether the MWC plays hardball and won’t let them play in 2024. I don’t see that happening. They’ll be allowed to play 2024 with a penalty or no penalty at all. 

I will be out of town backpacking from the 14th through the 30th.  Two trips broken up by a day.  I can see coming back to civilization and having and reading any number of scenarios from SDSU being formally offered membership by the PAC 12 for the 24-25 season.  Membership for the 25-26 season.  The PAC announcing they will not expend.  SDSU and the MWC making nice, or the start of a really ugly legal battle.

It's anybody's  guess

[Headbutt]

On 7/5/2023 at 5:39 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

I will be out of town backpacking from the 14th through the 30th.  Two trips broken up by a day.  I can see coming back to civilization and having and reading any number of scenarios from SDSU being formally offered membership by the PAC 12 for the 24-25 season.  Membership for the 25-26 season.  The PAC announcing they will not expend.  SDSU and the MWC making nice, or the start of a really ugly legal battle.

It's anybody's  guess

We'll send smoke signals.  Watch to the south.

[AztecSU]

On 7/5/2023 at 4:19 PM, Pelado said:

What evidence do you have that they will not have to pay at least $17 million?  What are the mitigating circumstances?

They might. My only point is there isn’t a single example of an exit clause being followed to a T that anyone has provided.