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The "UN"-Official SDSU to the Pac thread.

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On 6/18/2023 at 7:30 PM, NorthWestCowboy said:

I don’t blame SDSU for wanting to join the PAC.  It’s their best option at this time.  Still, I can’t help but think this could all be temporary.  If any two of Washington, Oregon, Colorado or Arizona leave the PAC the whole thing falls apart with other schools running for the exits.  How many of the current PAC schools find a home in another conference is anybody’s guess.  It’s very likely SDSU ends up back with some, most or all of us at some point.

Well even if the Pac-11 loses some schools in 5 years, SDSU will still unquestionably be in a much better position when that time comes as a result of making this move. Whether it’s from the Pac leftovers poaching the top MWC schools or the Big 12 adding them to break into CA, SDSU will be fine.

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On 6/18/2023 at 7:29 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

Yea, they asked. Not a big deal, I have said that on this thread, as have some others. What I am confused about is why you are so invested in arguing about what the outcome will be, because the exact amount of the exit fee, at the end of the day, will be pretty irrelevant to SDSU long term. In 5 years if you guys pay 14M vs 25M vs 30M… what difference will it really make? None.
 

For example, UConn got taken to the cleaners in their negotiations with the AAC, and how much did it end up mattering? It didn’t, at all.

It was enough of an issue for some party involved to leak the letter from the SDSU president to the MWC to the press. I don't think SDSU did that unless it is being used to light a fire on the PAC's media rights partner to get this done before the end of June. I don't believe that to be the case but it was discussed on the Trojanswire website. Right now, these letters have been the biggest topic concerning realignment of the week and there are two threads on that subject on this board.

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On 6/18/2023 at 8:39 PM, Aztec1984 said:

It was enough of an issue for some party involved to leak the letter from the SDSU president to the MWC to the press. I don't think SDSU did that unless it is being used to light a fire on the PAC's media rights partner to get this done before the end of June. I don't believe that to be the case but it was discussed on the Trojanswire website. Right now, these letters have been the biggest topic concerning realignment of the week and there are two threads on that subject on this board.

Oregon doesn’t have a president until July 1.  If you were the interim guy, would you sign a new (controversial) media deal?  Me neither. If you’re the future president but not officially in office, is your signature binding?  This will just have to wait. That’s SDSU’s problem. They’re not getting kicked out after all. 

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Obviously AdT and JD have absolute confidence in a Pac invite to warrant asking the MW to negotiate their exit after the 2023-2024 AY.

Other than that, this is a head scratcher of a move.

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On 6/19/2023 at 1:40 PM, azgreg said:

The YBU booster named Calvin doesn't get it.

SDSU IS going to join the Pac. The question is no longer WHETHER that will occur but WHEN that will happen. If the MWC is in fact considering SDSU's first letter as a formal withdrawal as of June 30, 2024 and SDSU joins the Pac effective July 1, 2024, SDSU will still owe the MWC "just" $17M because the MWC will have received more than 12 months notice of withdrawal.

I think that's ultimately what's going to happen and it's not the MWC but rather the PAC that is going to benefit because the Pac already had the upper hand in negotiations with SDSU and the Pac now really has SDSU by the nuts.

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On 6/19/2023 at 1:57 PM, azgreg said:

Would you still join if it's only the PAC-4 left?

About half of YOUR fan base wants to join the B12.

UW and UO want to join the B1G but UO has zero chance of being offered.

About half of CU's fan base wants to join the B12 but it's just as likely that CU will be offered B1G membership instead.

Based on that, I'd say the odds are good that come 2030, UW, CU and Arizona will no longer be in the conference and the chances of any other school leaving are next to none.

So the proper question is whether SDSU would still join if it knew the Pac-10 will become the Pac-7 and the answer is hell yes. A conference only needs eight members to have its champion qualify for the CFP and even with just SDSU and not also SMU, CSU and possibly UNLV, the Pac champ would qualify. Furthermore, although you might not understand this since your school has been receiving major TV revenue for years, we Aztecs don't compare how much our school's Pac TV revenue might be with that of the Big 2 conferences, we compare it to what the MW will earn. In that regard, a MW without SDSU and CSU, to say nothing of UNLV and possibly Fresno, will earn no more than it's earning right now and that's almost nothing. 

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On 6/19/2023 at 2:07 PM, Koji Vu said:

Yes.  Especially if one of those teams is Stanford.

And Cal, since Cal will absolutely never, ever join the B12 and the chances of it joining the B1G will never be more than 50/50. Indeed, I'll say this. I think the chances of Cal joining the B1G are no better than the chances of UCLA returning to the Pac. If Jason Scheer would disagree, I'm certain I'm correct about that.

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On 6/18/2023 at 3:05 PM, lobo-tomy said:

Anyone who would consider a move to the MW a stepup probably isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so they'd probably like a conference that looks out for the interests of the remaining schools.

It is the Presidents of those remaining schools that will make any decisions to alter the existing agreements. I don’t see that really happening unless there are justifiable reasons. How these agreements hold up is very important to the conference moving forward. This key piece is all about protecting the conference from being raided without receiving some financial assistance to recoup from the immediate loss of top teams.

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On 6/19/2023 at 2:14 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

And Cal, since Cal will absolutely never, ever join the B12 and the chances of it joining the B1G will never be more than 50/50. Indeed, I'll say this. I think the chances of Cal joining the B1G are no better than the chances of UCLA returning to the Pac. If Jason Scheer would disagree, I'm certain I'm correct about that.

I'd guess if only four remained it would be Stanford, Cal, WSU, and OSU.  4 corners would go to Big 12 and Washington/Oregon would go to Big 10 (?)

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https://themw.com/documents/2020/8/5//2020_21_MW_Handbook_Composite.pdf?id=6527

 

(a) Any Member may resign from membership in the Conference effective June 30 of each year (the “Effective Date”) by delivering written notice to the Conference and the other Members on or before the preceding June 30th (the “Notice Date”). The period from a Notice Date to an Effective Date is referred to herein as the “Interim Period.” The resignation of a Member does not relieve the Member Institution from any obligations such Member Institution may have to the Conference as a result of obligations incurred or commitments made prior to the Effective Date. (Revised June 2011, April 2021)

 

(b) Effective April 30, 2021 and thereafter any notice of resignation given by any Member shall be subject to the Notice Date referenced in subparagraph (a) above and the following: the resigning Member shall pay to the Conference as an Exit Fee an amount equal to three times the average per Member Conference distribution payment for the preceding year. (the “Timely Notice Exit Fee”) If the resigning member gives notice after the established “Notice Date”, the resigning Member shall pay to the Conference as an Exit Fee an amount equal to double the Timely Notice Exit Fee. After receiving Notice of Resignation from a Member, all payments due that Member from the Conference shall be withheld and applied to that Member’s Exit Fee. The balance of the Member’s Exit Fee as provided above, shall be paid by the Member to the Conference on or before the Effective Date. (Revised June 2011, January 2013, July 2016, April 2021)

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On 6/17/2023 at 9:15 AM, Spaztecs said:

He either has to settle for less sex or more housework.

Or both.

On 6/17/2023 at 10:21 AM, Aztec1984 said:

If the MWC wants to expand, it should treat its current members fairly. Last I looked, SDSU schedules games in both FB and BB with BYU, who left the MWC. I am sure CSU, AFA, Boise and UNLV are paying attention to how the conference is treating a member than is leaving for a better conference. When SDSU leaves, they are leaving behind $11M in MM units . Don't recall Utah, BYU or TCU leaving behind such a financial gift. Also, pretty sure SDSU isn't the party who leaked the letter to the press.

As @utenation mentioned, BYU left behind plenty of NCAA tournament credits.  They were at-large tourney participants in each of their last five years in the MWC, earning 8 units during that time (including 5 units in the previous two years).

Also, I don't remember BYU begging for extra time to give notice of departure or for reduced exit fees.

 

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On 6/19/2023 at 1:54 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

The YBU booster named Calvin doesn't get it.

SDSU IS going to join the Pac. The question is no longer WHETHER that will occur but WHEN that will happen. If the MWC is in fact considering SDSU's first letter as a formal withdrawal as of June 30, 2024 and SDSU joins the Pac effective July 1, 2024, SDSU will still owe the MWC "just" $17M because the MWC will have received more than 12 months notice of withdrawal.

I think that's ultimately what's going to happen and it's not the MWC but rather the PAC that is going to benefit because the Pac already had the upper hand in negotiations with SDSU and the Pac now really has SDSU by the nuts.

Weird framing. The Pac-12 always had SDSU “by the nuts” regardless. And the MWC doesn’t gain any leverage by doing SDSU a solid, so why would they do that? They are just acting in their best interests, just like SDSU is, and just like the Pac-12 is. 
 

SDSU loses nothing asking the MWC for an extension, which is why they asked. The MWC gains nothing by granting an extension, which is why they didn’t grant an extension. Really straightforward and rational decisions from both sides. 

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On 6/19/2023 at 2:23 PM, Koji Vu said:

I'd guess if only four remained it would be Stanford, Cal, WSU, and OSU.  4 corners would go to Big 12 and Washington/Oregon would go to Big 10 (?)

ASU won't be going to the B12 because of the percentage of its students and football players who are from SoCal. Utah won't be going to the B12 because Pac membership has been one of the best things to ever happen to that school. Also, Oregon would be of no benefit to the B1G except to enhance its football image and the addition of Maryland and Rutgers is ample proof that football quality is not a prerequisite for membership and, as I pointed out above, the B1G presidents are too smart not to wonder whether UO wouldn't be their next Nebraska.

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On 6/19/2023 at 4:39 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

ASU won't be going to the B12 because of the percentage of its students and football players who are from SoCal. Utah won't be going to the B12 because Pac membership has been one of the best things to ever happen to that school. Also, Oregon would be of no benefit to the B1G except to enhance its football image and the addition of Maryland and Rutgers is ample proof that football quality is not a prerequisite for membership and, as I pointed out above, the B1G presidents are too smart not to wonder whether UO wouldn't be their next Nebraska.

If Oregon will be denied entry that may keep Washington in the PAC as well. Would be even more difficult to play in that Conference without any form of travel partner. UCLA may just stick around enough to try and fix their debt and that's it (if what people on here are saying is true about the 50/50 chance to return).

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