The "UN"-Official SDSU to the Pac thread.

[RSF]

On 6/17/2023 at 5:52 PM, utenation said:

A few years together in the MWC doesn’t cut the mustard.  While I don’t think they will have any leverage in the B12, it won’t stop them from trying. 
 

I don’t think you’ve experienced the full power of BYU delusion and entitlement.  But I’m not saying they are on Texas’ level, but they will definitely carve out their corner. 

Meh.

[Aztec1984]

On 6/17/2023 at 3:31 PM, RSF said:

No, they didnt.  They just agreed to stretch the multi-year payout.  The fee to leave early was actually not defined.

You do understand the value of money when compared with time, right? You know, lottery payments can be taken in a lump sum or paid over time. The lump sum is a significantly reduced value, though the installment deal is spread out over 30 years. Same can be said of these media contracts, they are heavily backloaded for the same reason. Also, installment payments, even equalized for value, are still easier on cash flow than a lump sum payment.

Again, the MWC can play hardball, but it will not be a good look for them should they want to add a quality school later one. Who wants to join a conference that punishes and tries to hold hostage a school that's success led to an elevation? Again, I am sure CSU, AFA, BSU and UNLV (according to a poster on here) are paying attention to how the MWC treats SDSU. CSU has been vetted by the PAC as a possible replacement for CU should they leave for the B12. I could see them being a B12 target should they not poach any PAC schools, which looks unlikely.

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 6/17/2023 at 3:20 PM, Aztec1984 said:

Good to know. Do you know who did and did not? Just curious. UNLV might be a consideration for the PAC in 2030. You need to show more on the court and field I think. But, the PAC doesn't beat the B12 deal without the San Diego and Dallas market according to Canzano's sources.

 

If 2030 is the nxt expansion milestone, I like CSU's chance to "...show more on the court & field..." than Nevada's Southern's.

CSU-Diego brings MUCH MORE to the 12-Pac than SMU.  SMU is the is like 1-1/3 USDs in DFW.

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 6/17/2023 at 3:27 PM, Aztec1984 said:

What value did Houston, Cincy and UCF take from the AAC when they left? And that conference negotiated with them for reduced exit fees. If the MWC wants to play hardball, they can I suppose. But it would not sit well with its more valuable members and wouldn't look good for them in expansion. Who would want to join a conference that punished a member for accepting an invite to a P5 conference while leaving them $11M in MM units?

 

How is following a contract you signed "punishment."

Play by the rules.  Stop acting like an entitled child.

 

[Aztec1984]

On 6/17/2023 at 4:16 PM, ---I GREEN INFECTION I--- said:

 

If 2030 is the nxt expansion milestone, I like CSU's chance to "...show more on the court & field..." than Nevada's Southern's.

CSU-Diego brings MUCH MORE to the 12-Pac than SMU.  SMU is the is like 1-1/3 USDs in DFW.

 

No, not unless CU were to go to the B12. The PAC wants wants Dallas' 2.96M TV sets. Yes, SMU isn't the big player in that market now but they have the money to improve and the P5 gives them the platform they need to do so. Were CU to leave for the B12 (ain't happening), I think CSU would be added just to replace them, with the PAC also adding SDSU and SMU as planned. If I were the B12, I wouldadd CSU and Memphis as the locations plays to their strengths if the PAC stays together and adds SDSU and SMU. Academically, however, CSU is more aligned with the PAC than the B12.

[ph90702]

On 6/17/2023 at 3:59 PM, mugtang said:

Ultimate definition of falling upward 

At least we’re going upward!

[RSF]

On 6/17/2023 at 6:16 PM, Aztec1984 said:

You do understand the value of money when compared with time, right? You know, lottery payments can be taken in a lump sum or paid over time. The lump sum is a significantly reduced value, though the installment deal is spread out over 30 years. Same can be said of these media contracts, they are heavily backloaded for the same reason. Also, installment payments, even equalized for value, are still easier on cash flow than a lump sum payment.

 

Perhaps you dont understand.  We're not talking media deals.  We're are talking exit fees.  And you can't reduce what isn't defined.

 

Kinda like your frontal lobe, apparently.

 

On 6/17/2023 at 6:16 PM, Aztec1984 said:

 

Again, the MWC can play hardball, but it will not be a good look for them should they want to add a quality school later one. Who wants to join a conference that punishes and tries to hold hostage a school that's success led to an elevation? Again, I am sure CSU, AFA, BSU and UNLV (according to a poster on here) are paying attention to how the MWC treats SDSU. CSU has been vetted by the PAC as a possible replacement for CU should they leave for the B12. I could see them being a B12 target should they not poach any PAC schools, which looks unlikely.

Bwahahahaha...

[NorCalCoug]

On 6/17/2023 at 5:24 PM, Aztec1984 said:

No, not unless CU were to go to the B12. The PAC wants wants Dallas' 2.96M TV sets. Yes, SMU isn't the big player in that market now but they have the money to improve and the P5 gives them the platform they need to do so. Were CU to leave for the B12 (ain't happening), I think CSU would be added just to replace them, with the PAC also adding SDSU and SMU as planned. If I were the B12, I wouldadd CSU and Memphis as the locations plays to their strengths if the PAC stays together and adds SDSU and SMU. Academically, however, CSU is more aligned with the PAC than the B12.

Thank goodness you’re not the BigXII.  You should share all your brilliant ideas with your new PAC overlords though.

[soupslam1]

Maybe the PAC will invite the Aztecs in the next two weeks and it’ll be a moot point. Not sure why they haven’t yet. TV negotiations wouldn’t seem to be a big issue as San Diego is a big market. It’s not like it’s going to hurt TV negotiations to invite them now. Who knows it might actually help. 

OTOH maybe there are some reluctant PAC members that don’t want to invite SDSU and feel they aren’t worth the difference in TV money. Something is preventing the PAC from pulling the trigger on SDSU right now. 

Also, it’s not like they have to be in a big hurry. SDSU is always going to be there. 

[Aztec1984]

On 6/17/2023 at 4:22 PM, ---I GREEN INFECTION I--- said:

 

How is following a contract you signed "punishment."

Play by the rules.  Stop acting like an entitled child.

 

We didn't sign the June 2021 "agreement" to triple the exit fee to 3 times the media contract (then a total fee of $15M) nor the June 2022 "agreement" to double that exit fee should you not notify and pay the exit fee by June 30 one year before you leave. God knows what "agreement" would be voted on if we were to stick around until 2025 and the MWC FB media Day this year is in July. One can always ask, and that is what SDSU did, for different conditions of payment. It appears that the MWC, or one of its members, decided to make that request public.

[Aztec1984]

On 6/17/2023 at 4:26 PM, RSF said:

Perhaps you dont understand.  We're not talking media deals.  We're are talking exit fees.  And you can't reduce what isn't defined.

 

Kinda like your frontal lobe, apparently.

 

Bwahahahaha...

And yet UH, Cincy and UCF did. I'm sorry, all out of crayons. 

[Aztec1984]

On 6/17/2023 at 4:26 PM, NorCalCoug said:

Thank goodness you’re not the BigXII.  You should share all your brilliant ideas with your new PAC overlords though.

If the B12 doesn't gain PAC schools this round, they will be the conference in danger of being raided come 2030. And BYU won't be one of the schools considered. That is why BY has been so desperate with the PAC this round.

[NorCalCoug]

On 6/17/2023 at 5:35 PM, Aztec1984 said:

If the B12 doesn't gain PAC schools this round, they will be the conference in danger of being raided come 2030. And BYU won't be one of the schools considered. That is why BY has been so desperate with the PAC this round.

[utenation]

On 6/17/2023 at 5:30 PM, soupslam1 said:

Maybe the PAC will invite the Aztecs in the next two weeks and it’ll be a moot point. Not sure why they haven’t yet. TV negotiations wouldn’t seem to be a big issue as San Diego is a big market. It’s not like it’s going to hurt TV negotiations to invite them now. Who knows it might actually help. 

OTOH maybe there are some reluctant PAC members that don’t want to invite SDSU and feel they aren’t worth the difference in TV money. Something is preventing the PAC from pulling the trigger on SDSU right now. 

Also, it’s not like they have to be in a big hurry. SDSU is always going to be there. 

I think the Pac is on their own timelines to be honest. If the behind closed door plan is to add them, help them out with their dates. 
 

If not, keep working to get a contract done. And that very well may be what the hold up is. A deal isn’t done.  But this pressure of SDSU’s dates isn’t likely a priority. 
 

We keep hearing it’s weeks away etc.. Let’s see it. No more talk. 

[818SUDSFan]

On 6/17/2023 at 6:43 AM, Someone Else said:

After reading that article it's pretty clear where many of the Aztec fans are getting their talking points.

Wrong. Unlike many Aztecs, I don't dislike Mark but he imparts literally zero information which we fans haven't been talking about for weeks. And we didn't get it from him.

[FresnoFacts]

On 6/17/2023 at 3:23 PM, Aztec1984 said:

Again, Houston, Cincy and UCF all negotiated reduced fees for leaving their conference.

The AAC bylaws said the exit requirements were a $10 million exit fee AND 27 months of notice. There was no fee in the AAC bylaws for less than 27 months of notice.

The departing schools agreed to pay the $10 million.

They then negotiated for how much more to pay to be able to leave earlier than 27 months.

They did not negotiate down the dollar amount, they negotiated the additional to pay to reduce the notice time since that amount was not defined.

The MWC bylaws have an exit fee for 12 months or more of notice AND a higher fee for less than 12 months notice. The amounts are spelled out for both situations, unlike the AAC bylaws.

SDSU is looking for a discount on an amount they already know for less than 12 months notice, different than the AAC situation.

[818SUDSFan]

On 6/17/2023 at 2:48 PM, NorCalCoug said:

Yep, was reported in multiple outlets at the time. It was some lady that worked in the SDSU AD at the time who sent an email to the BigXII expounding on all the difficulties of having BYU as a conference partner and how they were difficult to work with.

I can confirm that definitely happened. For about a decade, SDSU had some sterling dumbshirts running its athletic department.

[FresnoFacts]

On 6/17/2023 at 4:16 PM, Aztec1984 said:

Again, I am sure CSU, AFA, BSU and UNLV (according to a poster on here) are paying attention to how the MWC treats SDSU.

 

To change the bylaws and increase the exit fee would require at least 3/4s of the schools to have agreed.  

At least 2 of the schools in your sentence had to vote yes in 2021. And that is assuming someone like Fresno or Nevada was not a no vote.

Of course none of us really know who voted which way.

For all we know it could have been unanimous yes if no one trusted anyone else being the first to leave. Or could have been a unanimous yes vote because academics often like to look like they are in total agreement after they have discussed something. We don't know.

 

 

[Super six]

Business is business, it looks like it's going to 37M. The MW won't budge on this, especially after the premature letter incident. I would let them spread the payment out for 24 months. Looks like the remaining members are going to have a nice Nil pot for a few years.

[soupslam1]

On 6/17/2023 at 6:29 PM, Super six said:

Business is business, it looks like it's going to 37M. The MW won't budge on this, especially after the premature letter incident. I would let them spread the payment out for 24 months. Looks like the remaining members are going to have a nice Nil pot for a few years.

That might be chump change for the P5 schools but not for the MWC schools even after dividing it 10 ways.